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Cadillac Fleetwood

beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
Anyone else here have a Fleetwood, specifically the rare 1993-1996 models?

We have a 1992 Buick Roadmaster Ltd. and just bought a matching 1993 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham that we'll be picking up next weekend. As I said, these things are rare (it was hard to find the right one...really hard!), but I wanted to see if anyone on Edmunds had one and maybe we could start sharing information here, including pictures!
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  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Are you here yet?? I really want to hear about your '93 Brougham! I have some pics of ours...hopefully you have some too!
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    I'm going to post one or two of the '93 Brougham we bought soon to keep this thread alive (I hope!).
  • norbnancynorbnancy Posts: 118
    Thanks for the note on the Buick board. My 93 Fleetwood Brougham has 110000 miles and looks new. It has every option except Sliding roof and CD player. The original purchaser got sold on a set of chrome wheels. At first, I didn't like them as I tend tobe a purist with my cars. However, they grew on me and now I like them. The only repairs to this car, other than maintainance, was a A/C compressor and condenser, starter motor, radiator, and rear automatic antenna. I use the Fleetwood mainly for my trips to Florida and occasional driving in this area. I am aware of 4 other 93 - 96 Fleetwoods in this area, on has 180000 miles and still looks good. I have yet to see one with rust problems. I live in the Traverse City Michigan area. Where do you live? Hope your Fleetwood turns out to be as good as mine. I also have a 1950 Cadillac series 62 sedan with 82000 original miles. Enjoy the ride.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    We live in southern Delaware, really close to Rehoboth Beach. Our Fleetwood only has 88k and is beautiful. It was originally a specially ordered car by a man in Florida, and one of the last '93s built; his name is on a gold Cadillac plaque on the dash. After he died (I think), his son in Bethesda, Maryland got the car and had it for several years, but the past year or so was driving it less and less because it was too big and getting harder to park with his age. He bought a new Park Avenue that was easier to manuever and decided to get rid of the Fleetwood.

    Nothing is wrong with it either and it has several new parts. The man we bought it from used to take it to the Caddy dealer twice a year for a check-up and told them to replace or fix anything that needed it. After looking it over, we're having two minor things fixed tomorrow. The front brake pads will be replaced, and a slight oil leak around the seal of the oil cooler will be fixed.

    I'll post pictures soon!
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Oh, I forgot to ask! Does you '93 have remote keyless entry? I only ask because ours had no remotes when we bought it, so I got two off Ebay, but have been unable to program them. I can't find the right wire harness that they're programmed from, and some other people on a Caddy sight are telling me that it might not have ever had RKE, because it was an option back then. But every standard feature list I look at lists it as being standard.

    Any ideas?
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Here's a link to pics of our Fleetwood and Roadmaster!

    http://community.webshots.com/album/82288071vwMFgB
  • norbnancynorbnancy Posts: 118
    Great pictures of both Fleetwood and Roadmaster. Is the Roadmaster also yours? Almost twins. I would be interested in your comments relative to a comparison of the two. Yes my Brougham has remote key less entry. It is an option on both Fleetwood & Fleetwood Brougham. I lost my remote on the beach in Florida last year. I checked dealer price fora new one--over $110.00 plus $18.00 for the special key with the coded slug in bedded. A friend's son sells Cadillacs in Detroit. and he got me one free. There is a programing procedure that is not difficult. I did my own and it was reasonably easy. The pig tail wire is in the trunk behind the left side trim panel (cloth). Tomorrow I'll look up the procedure in the shop manual which is in the car up in the barn. Can't look tonight because of no electricity in the barn. From the looks of your left door trim, you have the memory seat option. Does it have the multiple lumbar adjustments and heated seats. From the looks of the seat features it must cost as much as a cheap car to build. My Brougham is Frost Beige (looks like gold) with Neutral leather. I managed to get a copy of the original factory invoice which shows the suggested list price as $37615.00. Mine was built & shipped on 2/17/93 so it is mid year production. There is a lot of information we can share in future posts. I'll get the programing procedure to you tomorrow or Friday. Enjoy the ride
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Thanks for the information! Yes, the Roadmaster is ours also, and an exact replica of the Fleetwood as far as colors go. It's a '92 Limited model, with every option also, along with 184k miles, and not a single problem!

    Our Fleetwood has every option except for the sunroof, and now I guess RKE, but I'm not exactly sure. What's odd about ours is that it was a custom built factory order by an older gentlemen in Zyphr (sp?) Hills, Florida. He ordered it late in the '93 model year, and as such, it is a June 1993 build. When you look up production #'s, it lists around 29,500 or so for the first year, but ours is a # around 30,000. I think it was one of the last, just before the new '94s came out. His name is still on a gold Cadillac plaque on the center of the dash just above the radio, and says "Built Especially For:" and then his name.

    His son in Bethesda, MD then got the car in 1997, and had it ever since. We just had it in the shop today, and had the front brake pads replaced and an oil leak around the oil cooler fixed by replacing the seal. Total cost was $170 for both AND labor--not bad at all. Now everything is just about perfect!

    I look forward to sahring stories with you over time, and that we get another few people on here!
  • norbnancynorbnancy Posts: 118
    Following is the procedure for programming the remote keyless system: Look behind the left trunk trim for an angle body brace. Attached to the brace is a wire harness with a female plastic connector with nothing plugged into it. This is the programming connector. Turn on the ignition. Ground the programming connector with a ground wire to a good ground on the body. The door locks and trunk lock will cycle indicating the receiver is in the programing mode. Depress any button on the transmitter (only once). The door locks & trunk lock will cycle once confirming the transmitter code is programmed. Any previous transmitter code now has been erased. If programming a second transmitter, depress any button on the second transmitter once. This must be done before the programming connector is disconnected The door locks and trunk lock will cycle again for the 2nd transmitter. The programming connector ground must be disconnected. Verify the operation. Hope this works. I have several questions and comments that I'll come back with. I have visitors for a few days. I'll be back after. Enjoy the ride.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Okay, thanks!!! Your directions are the clearest I've gotten to date. Now my only problem is that I think this car really doesn't have keyless entry..or any of the wires for it! I look forward to hearing from you in a few days!
  • norbnancynorbnancy Posts: 118
    The easiest way to tell if your car has key less is to look inside the trunk up above the spare tire. You will see a wire harness with about 10wires going through the package shelf to the receiver assembly which is located under the rear center stop lite cover assembly. The receiver assembly is held to the package shelf metal with two silver looking metal clips that protrude through the package shelf into the trunk on either side of the before mentioned wire harness. Let me know what you find. My Fleetwood vin is 1G6DW5272PR 721243 built & shipped on 2/ 17/ 93. It is number 21243 produced at the Arlington Tx. plant. The Arlington plant produced Fleetwoods, Roadmasters, and Chevrolet Caprice Wagons. The Willow Run Mi. plant produced Caprice sedans. Willow Run went out of production in 1994 or 1995.What is your Vin? Does your Fleetwood have a full size spare or the mini? Your comments on the spare?? I like the mini spare because it takes less room, is lighter,and easier to handle. You mention a leak at the oil cooler. What oil cooler? Where was the leak? Engine oil leak? Transmission oil leak? Strange thing happened to mine this week. Battery started leaking and acid was all over the frame rail,battery tray etc. Cleaned up O.K. with baking soda and old tooth brush. I painted the frame, tray etc so it now looks good again. Tomorrow is new battery day. Probably $60 - $80. The battery was 5 years old so no big loss. Enjoy the ride.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Well, the leak was above the mount for the oil filter, which, according to my father is the oil cooler, but I'm not 100% sure. According to the mechanic, it's a common problem with certain GM cars because the seal there flattens out with age and a leak starts. It was a very, very slight leak and we don't think it was there when we bought it, but appeared a few days later. Anyway, it's all fixed and the front has new brake pads too.

    I'm still going to go out and look for the wire for the RKE, but I think it never had it as an option. Why, I have no idea. The original owner went to the trouble of custom ordering the car late in the '93 model year, getting everything but the sunroof, trailering package, full-size spare, and possibly RKE. Plus, he ordered a custom red interior, which I have yet to see on another Fleetwood, but probably is out there on more of them.

    Our car had the mini spare when we bought it, just like our Roadmaster, but we've since changed that. My father hates mini spares and will not use them, so he saved two chrome wheels and whitewalls from the '79 GMC van he traded for the Buick, using one for the spare in each car. Now each has a full-size spare. It takes up more room and is heavier, but I feel better knowing there's a real wheel & tire in there if needed.

    Our car's vin # is 1G60W5278PR730299, and, as such, was number 30,299 produced in June of 1993, one of the last for the model year. I guess this is better than it being one of the first built!

    We just took it on a relatively long road trip yesterday, 150 miles each way on the highway. It was awesome! I'm used to cruising in our 2002 Avalanche, but the Fleetwood was made for the highway! Even more shocking is how fast and turbine-smooth the car is. I thought for having the "old" 350 before they put in the LT1, but it really zings! It pulls like a freight train and is sikly smooth and silent all the way. The only thing I don't like is how it has more road noise than our Roadmaster. We think it's the tires. They're about 2/3rd's worn, Pinnacle Atlas whitewalls, and seem to be quite noisy on the highway and quite thumpy. I think they're kind of stiff and the tread pattern isn't all that quiet. Not that it is nearly as loud as our 2000 Chrysler 300M that we got rid of, but it should be quieter, at least road noise wise.

    We're going to try and get at least another half to full year out of them and then buy a full new set. What do you have on yours?

    Oh, and I forgot to mention. Back in April, my father started looking for a car to replace his '79 GMC conversion van that was on it's last legs. He wanted a '93 or newer Fleetwood then, but coulcn't find any. On a whim, when he was out car shopping, he remembered a small used car dealer that usually had Caddy's and Buicks. Pulled in there, and found the Roadmaster. Bought it the next week and loved it since. Then, after a few weeks, we saw a dark cherry Fleetwood while out shopping and I said "I'd drive that". Suprisingly, he said "Maybe we'll trade the Chevelle for one". Within two days, we had the '69 Chevelle listed for sale, and started looking for Fleetwoods. The first three we looked at were all black, and each one was in worse condition than the one before--the last two were really ripped up. Then we found this one and cut a check on the spot for only $4,500.

    It's meant to be my first car of sorts to use to get to school, but is still my fathers in the end. Oh well, who could complain about driving a loaded Caddy to high school and not having to spend a cent...?!
  • norbnancynorbnancy Posts: 118
    Your Fleetwood is a very late production also from Arlington. A late production car can be a problem car only if there is a major re-design the next model year. This is not the case with 1993 Fleetwood. The 1994 is almost identical. I haven't studied them but the only difference is the 94 - 96 has dual exhaust. If you will look at the option sticker located on the underside of the trunk lid, it lists all the options the car was built with. Option "AUO" is "lock control remote". I have General tires and they are noiser than I like. I purchased based on load rating, wear rating and price. I bought at Discount Tire Co. They have stores all over the country. They are only in the tire business and don't try to sell shocks, brakes, mufflers etc. Keep in mind that in 1993 the noise suppression technology was not as good as it is today. Paying $4500 for a 93 Fleetwood Brougham borders on being criminal. I looked at a 1994 Fleetwood Brougham in Florida last winter that had 18000 original miles and was mint. They were asking $19000. They were nuts, but it gives you an idea what a super clean Cad is worth. I wouldn't let mine go for under $6000 even though it has 110400 miles. It is like a 40000 mile car. I would suggest replacing the in line fuel filter unless you know that it has been changed. Fuel filters are usually neglected until your injectors get clogged. A filter costs about $18.00, $30 to $40 installed at a shop. Better than $300 -$400 to clean injectors. It is an easy job. It is located under the car just in front of the left rear wheel. Let me know what you find on the RKE. Enjoy the ride.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Our car has no RKE, I'm sure of that now. The code "AUO" is not there, and neither is the wiring harness. It makes me very mad because I've gotten very used to the remotes with my mother's cars, and can't live without them!

    About the only way I'll be able to get RKE now is to have an alarm system installed. Someone else on a Cadillac forum will sell me one for $40 new in box, but I'd have to have it installed. That only presents a problem the car is technically my fathers and he DOES NOT want me to touch anything other than cosmetic.

    "Paying $4500 for a 93 Fleetwood Brougham borders on being criminal."

    I know! This car is THAT good too! When the guy told us someone else wanted to look at it that day, we knew we better give him a check right then and there before going home because the car would be gone. He listed it Friday for $4,750, and we bought it Sunday morning for $4,500. Both the Fleetwood and our Roadmaster were awesome deals. I actually want to buy another one (preferably a '95-'96) in a couple of years.

    I don't know what the tires are on the car now. There are two words on them: "Pinnacle" and "Atlas". I don't know which is the brand. Either way, their quite worn, the passenger side ones have black scuffs, and they're kind of noisy. They're 235-70-15, but we're going to put 235-75-15's on, since they fill the wheel well in more and that's whats on our Buick, and we like them. I want to get Yokohama Avid Tourings (great ratings, 80k warranty, and only $54 at Tire Rack), but my father wants to buy something from someone local for added convenience. I don't know what we'll end up with.

    Do you have any digital pictures of your car? I'd like to see it! I still have a lot more to share with you, so we'll surely keep this thread alive!
  • norbnancynorbnancy Posts: 118
    Your tire brand is Atlas. Been around for years but not very big seller. Haven't seen Atlas tires for many years. I don't know anything about yokahama tires, sound Japanese which turns me off. Firestone/Bridgestone is also Japanese owned. have had good service out of Goodyear tires over the years. I suppose any tire company can make a bad batch of tires from time to time. It's the luck of the draw. Big surprise that your car doesn't have RKE. The original owner must have had something against it. I don't think it cost that much when you consider the total car price of #35000 +++. I don't think I would try to get an after market RKE as it may mess up the electronics. You should learn to use a key like in the old days... Ha Ha. I think you will be pleased with the larger 235-75-15 tires. I think thwey give a better ride. White walls??? I hope so. The Fleetwood deserves whitwalls in my opinion. I don't have a didital camera nor would I know how to send pictures. Perhaps that will be on my shopping list along with a scanner. Be back in about a week. Enjoy the ride.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Of course white walls! Any Fleetwood or Roadmaster has to have them...the cars without them look TERRIBLE! Whatever we do get and whenever we get them, they will be white walls and 235-75-15's, because the 235-70-15's just look too tiny to be on a car this big.

    Do the 75's fit properly? The only thing we could think of is that they might be a little tight in the rear. They'll fit, but just be tight. Otherwise, a wider sidewall can only help with the ride.

    I'll just have to stick with the darn old keys for now. I can't do anything about it, because it's not exactly my name on the title. More and more, I'm thinking about buying another Fleetwood or Roadmaster (a third!) just for myself. I'd love to find one cheap that needed a few things (we've seen several like this; ours was cheap but needed nothing!). We'll see what happens. I'm liking our 2002 Chevy Avalanche less and less now, which is strange because it used to be my favorite out of everything we've had...these old Roadmasters and Fleetwoods are terrific!
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    ...does anyone else have one of these awesome, silky road monsters? Norb will be back soon I think...won't you?!
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Where'd you go...??
  • norbnancynorbnancy Posts: 118
    I'm back. Had a festival in town and I was very busy. I entered my 1950 Cadillac series 62 4-door in the festival car show. Not restored, just a nice original car that is fun to drive. The 235-75-15 tire will fit nice even in the rear wheel well. When jacking up the rear to change or rotate wheels, the clearance is tight but no problem. I have been tempted to look for a cheap 93-96 Fleetwood to store in my barn just for spare parts. Probably would save a bundle on future parts purchases, especially if my Fleetwood got body damage. My Fleetwood comes out tomorrow. Going to Traverse City for the day. I always look foreward to driving the big float. Enjoy the ride.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Nice to have you back!

    "I always look foreward to driving the big float."

    So do I!!! I'm still trying to look for reasons to drive it whenever I can (I'll get to start driving it to high school in a few weeks...), I just don't want to put many miles on it! Right now it's at 89,150 but I just don't want it to hit 90k yet! I know it will sometime, but for some reason, I just want to baby and pamper this car to death--more so than even our flawless black Avalanche. I guess that's what makes it a Cadillac!

    Also, thanks for the info. on the tires, as we hope to get a new set of white walls in the bigger size sometime next spring or summer. Not that we like the current Pinnacle's all that much, but they still have quite a bit of tread left.

    I just need to find a used factory radio from another Fleetwood, though. The radio function works terrific, but the cassette player just goes forward, back, forward, back, and then ejects a tape. I don't know if it's broken or just dirty. I'd love to find one with the CD and cassette player, or just fix this one. Our Roadmasters cassette player and radio work awesome, but rarely get used--of course!

    "I have been tempted to look for a cheap 93-96 Fleetwood to store in my barn just for spare parts."

    Good idea! Not that these silky tanks of Cadillac beauty ever break, but having some spare pieces can't hurt.

    I'll be back soon...
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