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2013 and earlier-Subaru Forester Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • kumarikumari Posts: 72
    Hi, just had to get my 2 cents in here. I just bought my first Subaru ('06 Forester XT Limited) and have nothing but praise for the dealership. They were nice to deal with and very knowledgeable about the car. I dealt with four different people there and they were all very nice. All the other dealerships I contacted were pretty nice too (and I contacted quite a few across the country to comparison shop).

    I don't know what the actual service will be like when I bring the car in for repairs, but hopefully I won't have to do that very often.

    Anyway, I'm lovin' my car and planning on bringing home baked cookies to the sales staff! The only issue I'm having is that my gas mileage is still less than expected, but I'm only on my second tank.

    I think the Subaru dealership you went to must have been an uncharacteristically bad one. Subaru seems to have the best informed salespeople in the business. I also checked out Toyota and Honda and found that their sales staffs were ill-informed and, in the case of Toyota, downright rude (the guy made me wait in the car (a RAV 4) while he stood outside yacking on his cell phone on a personal call instead of taking me for a test drive). The Mitsubishi guys were inexperienced and the dealership appeared disorganized and poorly run. The BMW guys seemed disinterested (maybe because I'm a woman?). Meanwhile, my XT can blow their X3 off the road!

    Samantha
  • mb789mb789 Posts: 89
    I am trying to decide between the Forester X and the Forester X with the Premium package. Has anyone bought the Forester X and had the 6-disc CD player installed as an accessory? Is this possible -- the brochure showed that the 6-disc was available as part of the Premium package, but it also lists it as an accessory.

    Are there any real performance differences between the X and X Premium when driving in the snow -- I live in Ohio, and we sometimes get 4-6 inches, but usually just get 2-3 inches a few times a year.

    What do people think the incentives will do in May -- anyone think there's a chance they will offer $2000 on the X w/Premium package?

    Thanks.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Here's everything the Premium adds over the X:
    Outside mirrors with integrated turn signals
    Body colored exterior door handles
    Power driver's seat
    16" 8-spoke alloy wheels (X has steel wheels)
    Upgraded cloth, velour
    Rear disc brakes (X has rear drums)
    EBD Electronic Brake Distribution varies braking front/rear depending on cargo
    All Weather Package: large outside defrosting mirrors, heated front seats, front windshield wiper de-icer
    Limited slip rear differential
    Stereo: 120w CD in-dash changer, AM/FM/Weatherband, antenna in left rear glass
    Stereo: 4 Upgraded Speakers
    Automatic climate control with Daybright feature
    Power moonroof with auto open-close, cloth sunshade
    Chromed interior door handles
    Illuminated ignition ring
    Gray Metallic painted outside mirrors
    Leather wrapped steering wheel,
    Leather parking brake handle
    Leather shift knob
    Leather manual transmission shift boot
    Front seat back pockets

    The Premium does add the limited slip rear differential, so I would think it should be even better when you need to start out on a slick surface. Maybe someone else here has better tech knowledge to explain how that works. Another biggie to me is the rear disc brakes with Electronic Brake Distribution - wish it was standard on the X. As far as the 6-disc goes, it can be installed, but many folks choose to go with an aftermarket stereo when they upgrade - my salesperson even recommended doing that. The Premium offers so many goodies (including that huge moonroof!), it's hard to pass up if you can afford it. Of course, the X is pretty darn loaded for a "base" model. If it were up to me and I could afford it, I'd take the Premium - you get a lot for your money and all the upgrades make it feel like a much more expensive vehicle.

    I don't think the incentives on the Premium will get any better in May than they are now, but who knows for sure?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That list is quite long now that I look at it closely.

    Fortunately, I want most of those things.

    Unfortunately, the incentives is $1000 for the Premiums, and $2000 for the X model. Bummer.

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    ...their price quotes are terrible. After going back and forth several times, for a Forester premium with no accessories added on, the "best" price they could do is $24,422 ($23,422 including the rebate). The invoice price is about $23,922. The MSRP is $25,570. This is ridiculous. I should be able to get a Forester premium for under $24,000 BEFORE the rebate is applied.

    Huh?!?! I would hardly call an offer of $500 over invoice "terrible" much less "rediculous" :( Since this is your first Subaru experience maybe you're not aware that Subarus, like most Japanese makes, don't normally sell for less than invoice. Perhaps you're simply accustomed to seeing the big three's vehicles selling for thousands less than invoice.

    I can't excuse the dealership giving you the run-around but rather than blame Subaru for the actions of an independent dealer, you're better served by voting with your feet and buying somewhere else. Just send the general manager a note letting him know why they lost your business.

    -Frank
  • mb789mb789 Posts: 89
    I wasn't blaming Subaru. I was blaming the dealers around my area for their lack of service, professionalism, and responsiveness.

    That makes it hard, even though I want a Forester, to buy one here knowing that the next closest dealer is about 40 miles away, and I would never take it there for servicing.

    I was not asking them to "give" their car away. I just wanted a reasonable price for theirs, and a reasonable price for mine. Between what I could get for their Forester, and what they were willing to give me for my Jeep, we were about $1000 apart from getting me the monthly payment I said I would pay.

    They wanted to give me below rock bottom value for my Jeep, and I know it is worth more than that. The highest computer trade-in value was like $15,000 and the next highest was like $13,250, and since mine is in excellent condition, I think I should have been able to get closer to $14,000. This is not asking too much from the dealer. They were not willing to give me more than $13,200 -- that's after they first came back with $12,500 and I said absolutely NO and went home, and they had to wait until the next day to talk to their managers. . . They could put the truck on their used car lot anywhere from $16,000 - $18,000, so giving me close to $14,000 is not unreasonable for them to make a profit in my opinion. I have checked on used car sites in my area, and this is what they are offered at -- and those offered don't have as many features as mine has.

    I do not want to sell it on my own because of safety issues (you never know who will show up to look at it) and because of any liability issues. There is nothing wrong with my Jeep that I know of, and I wouldn't want someone to buy it, and then something did go wrong and they try to sue me -- that happened to a co-worker of mine and his family lost and had to pay the people who bought his car.

    Any suggestions?
  • jcabejcabe Posts: 3
    I picked up a new Forester X 3 weeks ago for an advertised 17,777 including the $2000 rebate. This was actually $2000 less than my 98 Forester L was. Take a look at what other cars are out there for $18000 and it's amazing that the Forester offers so much.
    I had contemplated others like the Rav4, Matrix, Outlander, Element, CRV, Liberty, and even some sedans/hatches like the Civic Camry and Mazda3. For the equipment, interior space, horsepower, and allwheel drive I could not touch it. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think that price is incredible.

    Indeed, I paid $19.2k way back in 1998 for my L model, so these prices are unheard of given the extra content they have now.

    Congrats.

    -juice
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,350
    I'm not saying that Subaru's sell for less than invoice all the time, but they can. I bought my 06 X MT for 600 under invoice before rebate, which came to $18.5K. X with premium is likely not as common, but I just wanted to add a real world example to show it can be done...
  • I just bought my second Subaru, a 2006 Forester X Premium and I love it. My last one, a 1991 Legacy, just turned 200,000 miles and it's still running great! So, bottom line, you will have this vehicle for a very long time. And heated seats in the winter have their advantages in the winter, as well as a fun moonroof for the summer. For the extra money, the extras seem well worth it to me. Several mechanics have told me that if they had to rely on Subarus to repair, they would starve to death. Now there's a recommendation!
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Hey, I've got a '91 Legacy with over 200,000 miles, too! :) Nearly 240,000 now. We're also on our second Subaru (an '04 Outback). The '91 really sold us on the brand's durability/reliability. I'll be sad to see it go, but we're on schedule to replace it in 3 or 4 years. I'd like to reach 300k, but don't think I'll get there. Maybe the next owner will. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hey, pretty soon you'll both join the 1/4 million mile club.

    -juice
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    I hit 222,222 at night out in the middle of nowhere on a roadtrip with a buddy. Got out of the car, put my face on the windshield, looking into the car, just above the gauge cluster, and had him take a goofy pic from the inside showing the mileage on the odometer and my face. :D At some point, I'll send that in to Subaru High Mileage Club
  • I picked one up with the Premium pack on March 31, think my "out the door" was 22.7K, seemed like a great deal. Funny thing, they tried to switch me to an Outback with a sticker that was nearly 2K higher than the Forester, for a LOWER price. Apparently that quota stuff is real, one more Outback for the month (or quarter?) and their holdback/bonus would have been bumped up on all their sales.

    I love this car, wife does too but she's scared to drive it until I get the first scratch. :) Only regret is not looking at leather seats, the tan is pretty light. I normally go for the econ/value model, but I'm enjoying the sunroof and heated seats. Never had so little buyers remorse on any vehicle.

    Thanks to this board for help/info on holdbacks, delivery, etc. Had a very nice experience with the internet dealer in Staunton, VA.

    Anybody have advice, recs, for various roof carriers to go on the Forester? I'll need a 4 pair ski rack and canoe / kayak racks. Don't think I'll go the 2X4 "custom" route like on my 91 Loyale :D
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Congratulations on a great deal! However for any number of reasons, "most" buyers won't be able to get that good of a deal.

    -Frank
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Between what I could get for their Forester, and what they were willing to give me for my Jeep, we were about $1000 apart from getting me the monthly payment I said I would pay.

    Uh oh... I see two problems right there. Car buying 101: You should always negotiate and finalize the purchase price of the new vehicle before beginning negotiations on the sale price of any trade-in. Secondly, you should never reveal to the dealer what you want your monthly payment to be. Doing either puts you at a strategic disadvantage in your negotiations with the dealer and doing both certainly compounds the problem :(

    If you’re positive that your Jeep is worth more than the Subaru dealer is offering and you don’t want to sell it yourself… take it to someplace like Carmax that specializes in good condition late model vehicles. They may very well make you a better offer. Also, since a Jeep dealer is most familiar with the used Jeep market, you should consider asking their used sales manager what he’d be willing to buy it for.

    -Frank
  • mknappmknapp Posts: 13
    That deal almost seems too good to be true.......how'd you do it? :blush: Any tips for my upcoming negotiations on a Forester?????

    Thanks,
    Melinda
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Bummer, still $2000 for the base X and $1000 for other models. I was hoping they'd put the $2000 on the X Limited. :(

    -juice
  • dirtbagdirtbag Posts: 57
    Apparently the X Premium is selling much better then the base model, thus the smaller incentive. IMHO, there are too many extras on the Premium to pass up, even if it means a $3000 difference.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's a huge jump, about $3800. I've seen X autos for $19k but an X Premium is $22.8k. Yowsah.

    I want a moonroof and heated seats, sure, but $3800? For that much more I want NAV as well.

    -juice
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