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2013 and earlier-Subaru Legacy Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • It seems to be a no brainer that the 2013 models are far superior to the 2012s
    I am sold on the 2013 model year Legacy sedan but looking for a decent price to buy
    The dealers in the seattle area have jacked up prices and offer no deals
    how are the prices in california, oregon or idaho
  • marvinlee1marvinlee1 OregonPosts: 43
    Consider determining the price that you are willing to pay and making
    a take-it-or-leave-it offer to your local dealer. If he accepts your
    offer, you benefit from having a local seller to deal with on future
    repairs and services. If he rejects your offer, you are at no
    disadvantage compared to your present situation. Also, consider
    having your dealer order a car to your specifications on model and
    options directly from the factory. The dealer benefits from not
    having a car sitting on his lot and you may find that you can do just
    fine without some of the costly options that dealership car inventory
    often comes with. Good luck on your shopping.
  • Friends,

    I have been offered this car:

    http://www.charliessubaru.com/new/Subaru/2013-Subaru-Outback-11c6e7020a0d048e013- 255734a235ffc.htm

    for $30K even "all taxes and fees included"

    How does this sound to you? Here are some details in case the link is no good:

    thanks - Will

    Convenience Features

    Air conditioning
    Automatic temperature control
    Front dual zone A/C
    Speed control
    Power windows
    1-touch down
    1-touch up
    Remote keyless entry
    Illuminated entry
    Tilt steering wheel
    Telescoping steering wheel
    Driver vanity mirror
    Passenger vanity mirror
    Front beverage holders
    Rear beverage holders
    Overhead console
    Driver door bin
    Passenger door bin
    Rear door bins

    Entertainment Features

    AM/FM radio
    CD player
    MP3 decoder
    Radio data system
    Steering wheel mounted audio controls
    Speakers: 9
    Wireless phone connectivity
    1st row LCD monitors: 1

    Warranty

    Basic warranty: 36 months/36,000miles
    Powertrain warranty: 60 months/60,000miles
    Corrosion perforation warranty: 60 months/ unlimited distance
    Roadside assistance coverage: 36 months/36,000miles

    Seats and Trim

    Max seating capacity: 5
    Front seats: bucket
    Power driver seat
    Power passenger seat
    Front center armrest: w/storage
    Heated front seats
    Rear seats: bench
    Split folding rear seat
    Rear seat center armrest
    Leather upholstery

    Body Exterior

    Number of doors: 4
    Power door mirrors
    Heated door mirrors
    Spoiler
    Door mirrors: body-color
    Bumpers: body-color
    Roof rack

    Specs and Dimensions

    Engine displacement: 2.5 L
    Engine horsepower: 173hp @ 5,600RPM
    Engine torque: 174 lb.-ft. @ 4,100RPM
    Engine bore x stroke: 94.0mm x 89.9mm (3.70" x 3.54")
    Compression ratio: 10.00 to 1
    GVWR: 2,080kg (4,585lbs)
    Towing capacity: 1,225kg (2,700lbs)
    Exterior length: 4,801mm (189.0")
    Exterior body width: 1,821mm (71.7")
    Exterior height: 1,671mm (65.8")
    Wheelbase: 2,741mm (107.9")
    Turning radius: 5.6m (18.4')
    Front legroom: 1,092mm (43.0")
    Rear legroom: 960mm (37.8")
    Front headroom: 1,036mm (40.8")
    Rear headroom: 998mm (39.3")
    Front hiproom: 1,384mm (54.5")
    Rear hiproom: 1,369mm (53.9")
    Front shoulder room: 1,430mm (56.3")
    Rear shoulder room: 1,425mm (56.1")
    Passenger volume: 2,985L (105.4 cu.ft.)
    Interior cargo volume: 971 L (34 cu.ft.)
    Interior maximum cargo volume: 2,019 L (71 cu.ft.)

    Powertrain

    Engine liters: 2.5
    Cylinder configuration: H-4
    Horsepower: 173hp @ 5,600RPM
    Torque: 174 lb.-ft. @ 4,100RPM
    Number of valves: 16
    Variable valve control
    Sequential multi-point fuel injection
    Engine location: front
    Recommended fuel: regular unleaded
    Transmission: continuously variable automatic
    Manual-shift auto
    Drive type: all-wheel drive
    Fuel economy city: 24mpg
    Fuel economy highway: 30mpg
    Fuel tank capacity: 18.5gal.

    Safety and Security

    4 wheel disc brakes
    ABS brakes
    Brake assist
    Dual front impact airbags
    Dual front side impact airbags
    Overhead airbag
    Occupant sensing airbag
    Panic alarm
    Ignition disable
    Security system
    Electronic stability
    Traction control
    Anti-whiplash front head restraints

    Suspension/Handling

    Four wheel independent suspension
    Front anti-roll bar
    Rear anti-roll bar
    Power steering
    Speed-sensing steering
    Alloy wheels
    Front tires: 225/60TR17.0
    Rear tires: 225/60TR17.0
    Wheel size: 17"

    Lighting, Visibility and Instrumentation

    Fully automatic headlights
    Front fog lights
    Variably intermittent wipers
    Rear window wiper
    Rear window defroster
    Front reading lights
    Tachometer
    Outside temperature display
    Low tire pressure warning
    Trip computer
  • Hi Will,
    This price looks fair for 2013 Outback 2.5i Limited.
    What was the sale price before tax etc.? Did you check it with www.truecar.com?
    Legacy Sedan and Outback are being sold ~2.0...2.5k below MSRP and 1...2% below invoice. Remember they are being made in Lafayette, IN now. Supply is pretty good. I purchased 2013 Legacy Sedan 2.5i Premium w/all weather package a hair above 22k a month ago. It was my first Subaru ever and I LOVE it! Good luck!
    Andy
  • Hey Blin, what was your final price and did it include taxes and fees?
  • Hi there im looking at a 2012 Legacy with the all weather package for $21,000, is this a fair deal. Vballplayer 30-you mentioned you purchased a 2013 with the same package for a lil over 22k, how much was it and where?
  • I negotiated the 2013 Legacy premium with the all weather package for 22,400$...The car also had the dimming/compass mirror, all weather floor mats and cargo net, which they claim were additional extras, but I refused to pay extra...they are such scammers. There was a 296$ fee at the end, which I'm thinking was a bs doc fee, but I didn't feel like arguing anymore...live and learn! All and all, it was still a good deal getting it under invoice price even with the fee...again unsure if it was legit. Bought it at Subaru dealer in Hicksville, NY...hop
    e this helps
  • I just negotiated the 2013 Legacy premium with the all weather package for 22,400$ for my parents...The car also had the dimming/compass mirror, all weather floor mats and cargo net, which they claim were additional extras, but I refused to pay extra...they are such scammers. There was a 296$ fee at the end, which I'm thinking was a bs doc fee, but I didn't feel like arguing anymore...live and learn! All and all, it was still a good deal getting it under invoice price even with the fee...again unsure if it was legit. Bought it at Subaru dealer in Hicksville, NY...

    MY TIPS FOR BUYING YOUR NEW CAR
    ok, just negotiated and bought the car for my parents today so everything is fresh

    1) Look around for the car/s you want, but don't buy that day...ideally search 1-2 wks before the end of the month. If you like a specific car on that lot, find out what extras are on that car and what extras you do or do not want. When negotiating later, they can't take off the moon roof, nav, etc. They can order the car, but it could take 8 wks. You may have to buy the car with the extras if you don't want to wait, so consider all this before hand.
    2) Search for prices paid in edmunds forums and the new car section to get an idea of the lowest price. Also search kelly blue book and truecar.com. Don't forget to add in ALL the extras that they say the car has...again, you may have to buy the car with the extras or wait wks for a factory ordered car. They will prob make you a better deal on the car on the lot.
    3) Figure out your grand total...ie price of the car you want to spend with all extras (nav, moonroof, whatever), plus taxes, and other LEGIT fees associated with the car...look up online for legit and whats typical in your area. They got us for a 296$ fee...unsuer if it was legit, but after 4 hrs...didn't want to negotiate anymore...this is 1 of there clever/slimy tricks!!
    4) Armed with all your price info., go to the dealer on the LAST DAY OR 2 of the month. (They are trying to reach their quotas so you will have your best luck in getting the lowest price!)
    Don't waste time with the salesman...they will try to crunch numbers with you and go over other bs...the mgr makes the final decisions, so immediately ask the sales rep to get the mgr because "you're ready to buy".
    5) Once he gets there, tell him you did all your research and have narrowed your search down to his car and 1-2 others. Here is my "OUT THE DOOR PRICE" with taxes, fees, etc. Tell him you will not waste anytime discussing, bartering, or negotiating and STICK TO IT!!! "Here's my price...you've got 2 minutes to decide!" If he says, "he can't go below invoice...he runs back to his office with various printouts saying look at what this and that costs...says, but I'm giving you the floor mats and cargo nets, I have to make something, etc, etc, etc, etc...(he would not stop)" Then say, "thanks anyway, I'm gonna go buy that new lexus!"

    If you did your homework and priced the car well (the forums from here are prob the most helpful and def the most accurate), you should get the deal without the headache of sitting there for 4 hrs like we did! DON"T be afraid to walk out, and be prepared to do so if ANYTHING is not what you wanted. Any additional fees or waste of your time then leave. The moment we got up to actually leave, he said give me a price and was ready to sign off...and did!!! Remember, it's the end of the month and they need to reach their quota!

    On a side note, we were paying cash, but agreed to finance as this made him some extra cash. It didn't effect us because we are paying it off in 3 payents in the first 37 days so there is no finance charge for us (of course we got that in writing as should you). You could possibly do this with your deal as they make money and as long as you pay it off, it won't cost you anything, but provides additional bargaining power... Hope all this helps!
  • blin279blin279 Posts: 21
    edited October 2012
    "Hey Blin, what was your final price and did it include taxes and fees?"by vballplayer

    Hi Vballplayer,

    Sale price was $22,074 before tax.+ tax (7.75%) +$250 doc fee + $78.25 title & registration. Total: ~$24,113. MSRP: $24,196. Brunswick Subaru, OH.
    It has Option Package 2/All-Weather Package, two sets of mats, home link/auto-dim mirror, plastic cargo tray in the trunk. I think that tray is a little more useful and practical than cargo net.
  • Hi thank you so much for your reply,
    I just signed for a new 2013 Legacy Premium w/ option 2/All-wether package w/ moonroof-sale price was $22,200(they were asking $25,800), total price with tax & fees were $23, 817.
    My parents signed for a 2012 Legacy Premium w/all weather package for total of $21,200(asking price $24,850), total w/tax and fees $22,725.

    Negotiate, negotiate, don't let them sell you on extras, and if you can wait, wait for the end of a quarter when they can and will budge for the extra sale.

    Hope this helps. =)
  • blin279blin279 Posts: 21
    Congrats, dmvball7,
    2012 Legacy Premium for $21,200!!! You did it great!
    I couldn't find any Legacy Premium near Cleveland, OH in August. All gone. A few Limited's were available. Moonfoof is a cool option but I'm fine not having it. Waiting for snow to test AWD! Enjoy!
    ;)
  • I just bought a 2013 Legacy Limited w/moonroof/nav/eyesight and a few misc items. MSRP 31408 and my price was 28400.
  • Thanks, the 2012 came w/the all weather package option 2 and a spoiler. The salesman were great, no hassle, no pressure...Balise in Warwick, RI was a great place-definetly a place to refer!!!
  • Sounds like you guys negotiated a great deal! Just spoke with my mother...she wanted me to ask you if you feel like it's a "hard/rough" ride? She tells me she feels every bump in the road.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hmm, make sure she airs down the tires. They often come pumped up to prevent flat-spotting.

    Legacy is one of the better riding cars in the class.
  • Its rough if you are used to a softer ride. I do feel more of the road then the I30 I had.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Maybe the previous car owned was a Lexus or Toyota? Those are softer.
  • Hi,

    I was hoping to get some advice on whether or not the price I'm paying is a good deal for a 2013 base model Subaru Legacy, automatic. I've been trying to do my research online but it can get a bit confusing, especially when the last dealer I talked to told me that the numbers I'm getting off Edmunds and KBB are incorrect. I’m in VA where the sales tax is 3% and I've been able to get an out the door quote for 21,500 on the e model. I wanted it for 21,300 but was unsuccessful at getting them to budge on the price over the phone. Don't know if I'm being unreasonable or not but I'm ready to buy so 21,500 sounds good to me right now. Any thoughts for a newbie car buyer?

    Thanks!
  • timadamstimadams Posts: 294
    I know it goes against the rock-bottom thrill of the hunt bargain mentality, but you're only talking $200. If the dealer is located close to you, I wouldn't worry about the last $200, though the comment about Edmunds and KBB does cause some concern. A good dealer would simply state they can't go lower than $X, without disparaging whatever resource you've used.

    You'll have to use your judgement about the dealership. Is it the closest to you, and the one you would use for warranty work? If so, I wouldn't worry about the $200. Now if you have to pass two other Subie dealers to get to this one, then I would wonder why you can't get a similar deal at your local store.
  • Thanks, timadams. I wasn't getting good customer service from this dealership, I had to leave messages on 2 separate occasions to get the sales guy to call me back initially and then he left me hanging for a week but swore up and down he emailed me quotes even though I told him to call me and gave him my work and cell phone number. Never saw those emails by the way... Kind of put me in an argumentative mood.

    There is another Subaru dealership 10 miles down the road that will match this quote so I will probaby go with them. They have a pretty good rep, or at least the sales dept does.

    Thanks again!
  • Hello Edumnds Community - I've been in the market for a new legacy for awhile. I'd ideally like a moonroof/nav but my wallet says otherwise. I've received an out the door quote for a base model, automatic, plus weathermats for $20,500 out the door. Is that a good deal? :shades:
  • That sounds like an awesome deal to me being that I just paid 1000 more for the same car without the weather mats! You're being offered below dealer invoice (20,889) and that's with taxes included? Where may I ask are you getting this deal?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Buy it before the dealer comes to their senses.
  • Rybecka - I just got home from the dealership and got the price of $20,500 out the door. The only options I got was automatic and the all weather floormats. It was from Brown's Subaru in Manassas, VA. Highly recommend those folks, they're super nice and it was a rather smooth transaction. :D
  • Well congrats, that's really a great deal! I probably woudn't have purchased from them since they're kind of out of my way and I want to get my car serviced closer to home, but it's nice to know others are getting great deals out there.

    I had to get my car traded in from another lot since I was a bit picky on color and they ended up getting me a PVEZ model so I'm not going to complain too much on the price I paid.

    Enjoy your new car!
  • I have a VIP voucher and the dealership I selected initially to buy from I feel is being dishonest. The internet sales guy told me on the phone that the invoice price for a limited model after my VIP discount is $25800. $24400 is the invoice price I see all the websites posting. Also other local dealerships have the limited model + moon roof going for $25,075+fees. I get the feeling the sales guy is lying to me if my discounted price is more expensive than another dealerships car with moonroof is.

    What does everyone think? It seems that buying one without a vip discount would be cheaper.
  • timadamstimadams Posts: 294
    Ask to see a copy of the invoice, or at least a copy of the car specs showing the trim level and all options. Three thoughts come to mind:
    1. There are options on the car you don't know about.
    2. The invoice prices you see elsewhere do not include vehicle delivery costs (dealerships pay manufacturers for delivery costs, which are included on most online invoice summaries). But vehicle delivery does not cost $1,400, so this isn't the entire difference.
    3. Your dealer is not being truthful about invoice.
  • No offense to Edmunds and KBB, which provide a lot of good information to car buyers, but my experience is that their numbers for actual new car prices are higher than they need to be. Truecar.com used to have the best prices, but I read not long ago that they, too, were under pressure from auto dealers not to provide consumers with rock-bottom pricing. If I were looking for a Subaru right now, I would still look at Truecar.com and then go to two dealer sites: Fitzmall.com and Bill Kolb Subaru, both of which, I believe, still publish their bottom prices without a customer having to ask. And, of course, I would still come here to see what other folks were paying.

    Once you have these numbers, you'll have a pretty good idea of what you'll pay. Then, you have to factor in customer service, convenient location of the dealer, number of competing dealers in the area, etc. When I bought my Legacy back in '08, I got what I felt was an absolute rock bottom price and then was willing to add up to a couple hundred because the dealer is just two miles away and the service there on both my Subies has been simply outstanding. I have more than made that money back in dealer freebies and just the convenience of the whole arrangement.
  • Just so buyers know, the "documentation fee" that dealers charge from $200-$300 is bogus. They might as well list it on the sales invoice as "pure profit." When I was negotiating a price on a car for my niece, the sales person had the gall to tell us that he couldn't remove the $239 charge because it was pre-printed on the invoice. He intimated that it was some sort of government-required fee. We decided to leave the showroom and continue our looking. A little later in the day, I got a call on my cell from the salesman saying that he was really interested in selling us the car. I told him we'd come back in a few minutes if the fee disappeared. Otherwise, I said, we would be heading down to a competing dealer selling another brand. He eliminated the fee to get the sale.

    Also, as evidenced by some recent posts, the fee enters the transaction fairly late in the game, when sales people know that customers have had enough and are too tired to argue over it. I say they should argue.
  • Yea just went to a dealership yesterday and they quotes me a price which was not exactly what the other one quoted me. Also they had two limited models with moonroof that were cheaper. Yea Cheaper even though I have a VIP voucher. I asked the guy how is it cheaper? They must be losing money on those two? Anyways I'm very hesitant to buy now. also when I told the guy it's on your website for $25,075 limited w/moonroof he told me it was a price error but he'd have to sell it to me at that price. So it was cheaper to buy a limited /moonroof on sale than using their VIP voucher which is 2% below invoice. I'm holding off until I figure out the exact costs.
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