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2013 and earlier-Subaru Legacy Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • I am getting ready to pull the trigger on $23,756 OTD. Is it a good deal? It is in WV.
  • A local dealer is offering a CPO 2009 Legacy SE for $19K. Only 7K miles. Former rental car, but clean Carfax. Too good to be true? I don't like the idea of buying a former rental, but we'd have the balance of the original warranty, plus the 6 yr/100K powertrain warranty.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Those weren't priced very high to begin with, so the deal seems fair, no too good to be true.

    It is a rental but the warranty should ease your concerns.
  • Having worked in the rental car industry (and having been told never to buy a rental car), my suggestion would be to find another vehicle. Those were probably a hard 7K miles.

    That was a fairly common model. I'm sure there are plenty around. And while the asking price in the 19s is pretty typical, I'm wondering if anyone actually buys them in that range. (An Indiana dealer has a new '09 SE, although with manual shift, advertised for $18,999. Kolb Subaru in upstate NY has a slew of '09 SEs with low mileage, all well under $19K and one in the 15 range, although none appear to be CPO.) Near the end of the model year, I was seeing new ones for close to 19. Also, how do you know it was a rental? Does it say so on the Carfax or are you relying on the dealer for that information? I'm asking because I've never seen these Subarus in rental fleets. Your car sounds more like a demo.

    The CPO is probably worth $1,200-$1,500 based on what Subaru dealers are charging for discounted extended warranties these days.

    If you still want to buy this car, bargain hard. I think you can do much better on price.
  • icbmicbm Posts: 14
    Have not looked at this car yet, just online at dealers site. They only post the MSRP- $23,496 - 2.5 Premium w. all weather package and CVT . How much below MSRP can I expect the dealer to go?
  • After I went to that dealer, I went over to Kolb because he does have a lot of Legacys on the lot. Saw a nice gray 2009 SE, one-owner, clean carfax, only 8,500 miles. But my salesperson wanted $19,800 OTD. When I tried to negotiate, he insisted that there is no negotiation at Kolb under any circumstances--that his price was "no haggle". Didn't even take my contact info to follow up. Too bad, because I like the car. I wish he was willing to talk price at least a little, but I can't see paying that much for a used Legacy, even if it is low miles.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 173
    I'm not sure where you're located, but I'd walk or run away from that delearship. Of course I've got the benefit of living in the Colorado front range, where Subie stores are like Stop-N-Gos! I intitially contacted 6 delearships and 3 of those showed prices on their web-sites that were discounted from MSRP.

    BTW, I considered a couple of 2009s, for about $20,000 each, but the difference in the size and EPA estimates of the 2010 changed my mind. My Legacy is almost identical in every dimension (as checked on this site) with my 2003 Maxima. I think the smaller trunk on the '09 and the lower gas mileage would have been problems for me.

    Good luck.

    easypar
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    In fairness that's how no-haggle dealerships work. At least you know you'd pay the same price as any VIP would.

    It's not necessarily the rock-bottom lowest price you will find, but it's an even playing field, with no games.
  • How anxious are you to get the car. I bet if you can wait until the end of January, you'll get a much better deal. Timing is everything.
  • what makes you think that you can get a better deal in late January? I have been offered invoice pricing out here in the bay area for a subaru if I buy before the end of the year.
  • It will be hard to go another 5 weeks. The reason I waited until now was I'd been told so often that at the end of a month/quarter/year I'd be likely to get a strong deal. Why January?

    I no longer have any idea what counts as a deal for a used Legacy.
  • I know this isn't a pricing or buying experience question, but needed brief advice from you guys as people with owning experience: do you think the 2008-2009 Legacy is effective as a "family" sedan, or am I being unrealistic. The sticking point for me on going for one of these is that we have a baby and will likely try to have another in a few years. I want to keep whatever I buy right now for many years (I want to run it into the ground) but worry it's just not big enough for a growing family. My wife is really skeptical and pushing for us to get something larger. I just don't like large cars, and can't afford an SUV right now. $19-20K is really the max of my budget. Our other car is a 2006 Honda Accord. My argument to her is that the Accord is our larger "family" car. But she thinks we need more flexible.

    Any thoughts? Does the Legacy prove to be as small as she thinks it is, once you've owned it awhile?
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 173
    I know that the '09 Legacy is smaller than the '10. As far as the size vs your Accord why not go to the Used Cars segment of Edmunds and put in your '06 Accord and the '09 Legacy and compare the internal dimensions. My thought it that they're pretty similar, but I'm guessing.

    I know that my '10 Legacy is almost identical to my '03 Maxima and I'm pretty sure the Maxima was bigger than the Accord.

    easypar
  • I use mine as a daily driver and have no kids. However, here are the caveats:
    1. The back seat is small for adults, especially for long trips. It should be fine for two kids for a while. Any more kids and you need to go larger.
    2. The trunk is quite large for the car's size, although it depends on how much room you need for folding crib, etc.
    3. While the four cylinder is great for daily driving, it becomes sluggish as soon as you add two adults to the back. And that's without adding anything in the trunk. I recently loaded up the trunk with beer and soda for a party. It was just myself in the passenger compartment and you could really feel that you were hauling around a load.

    Husbands have to stick together, but your wife might be right on this one. If you must have a Subaru and/or all-wheel drive, you could take a look at a used Outback, which gives you a little more flexibility, or a new base Legacy, which gives you more room. Truecar.com is showing a good price for a base legacy at around $20,600, so you might have to stretch the budget a bit.
  • I guess it depends on the region. Here in NY, I'm betting that January will be a bleak month for car dealers as people recover from the holidays, deal with bad weather, still struggle with the economy, etc. (although, nationally, I do know that Subaru has been doing pretty well, sales-wise). Buying a car in your area may be a whole different matter, given the different climate. Around here, even a light snow can kill showroom traffic. I'm only suggesting to the poster that his target car will probably be around in January, possibly at a lower price. Having seen '08 and '09 SEs advertised new for high $18K to low $19K at the end of their respective model years, I know it would kill me to pay $19K for a used '09 now.

    There should be plenty of room for negotiation. As an example, Subaru was offering me around $16,250 for my '08 Limited under its guaranteed buyback program, yet my local dealer is now advertising an '08 SE for $20,300 that was turned in under the same program. When you factor in the differing equipment on the two cars, the previous owner probably got something in the high $15K range. That's a pretty big spread.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    To be brutally honest, you don't need a bigger sedan, you need a station wagon, or something with a big trunk (crossover, SUV).

    Kids take up more cargo space than adults do. Far, far more.

    The back seat of the Legacy is plenty big. An Accord's bigger back seat will make no difference whatsoever.

    Now go to the trunk - the stroller, the diaper bag, the port-a-crib, the port-a-potty, the luggage, the plastic bath tub thingy, the high chair, etc. Will all that fit?

    I say go for a Legacy wagon, especially since they existed until 2009.

    Or you could get a new Forester 2.5X. That has a bigger back seat plus more cargo room. Or a base 2010 Outback, also very roomy with tons more cargo space.

    My wife wanted a sedan back in 2002, she was pregant with our 2nd. I grabbed our stroller from the Forester, put it in the trunk, showed her it was already full.

    She changed her mind, just like that. We got a 2002 Legacy wagon. She traded it recently for a 2009 Forester. Perfect size for 2 kids.
  • Did you get the 2.5X? Does it have enough features to age well?
  • What does anyone think of a 2005 Outback XT, low mileage (only 30K) for $16K? Not certified. Warranty obviously expired. Clean carfax.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 173
    I don't remember where in the country you are, but that's probably not a bad number. At first I thought it a bit high but only because I moved from Austin TX, and it would be way high there. But now I live near Ft Collins Colorado and around here you have a hard time finding Subies in the 3-5 year bracket. I guess the dealers have them but I only look at private parties for used cars.

    I think there are TWO 05 and 06 Outbacks on Craigslist here and in Denver from private parties and they're $16K and $18K. A friend in Austin just bought an 05 for about $8 or $9K a month or so back, but it was a five speed. Depending on how far you want to drive you may take a look at the places where there is not such a heavy demand for used Subies.

    easypar
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    We got the 2.5X Limited. But we used $1600 in Subaru Bucks to bring the price down from about $25k to $23.5k or so.

    There's an idea - get a Chase Subaru credit card, and start earning 3% back. Too late to help pay for the car, but you can pay for service with it.

    We've had the Forester a year and a half and have already accumulated another $800 in Subaru Bucks. I can pay for tires, accessories, service, whatever.

    That directly lowers our ownership cost. It could help you stretch your budget a bit.

    The Premium is a great value at about $23.5k nowadays. I know it's a bit beyond your budget, though. A new base 2.5X is right in your $20k range, though.
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