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2013 and earlier-Subaru Legacy Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    AWD does nothing to help you stop - a common mistake 4x4 and AWD drivers make. They go flying past you on a icy or snowy day and then down the road you pass them as they sit in the ditch.

    ABS and stability control combined with good snow or snow/ice tires does a lot more for you than AWD does.

    That said, I have an older ('96) Legacy wagon I use just snow days, ABS, AWD, and four snow/ice tires make it a "mountain goat". No DSC offered on that old of a car, however.

    Dennis
  • era174era174 Posts: 67
    Thanks for your info, dwynne. The salesperson I met today opened the hood and showed me the FOUR cables for ABS. He said Subaru AWD is all the better because it has all wheel ABS while front wheel ABS has just two wheel ABS (?) or something like that. I hope he's correct on that point.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,679
    Nope.... just sales talk... Some pickup trucks have rear-wheel ABS only, but I'm pretty sure that every car with ABS is on all four wheels..

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    He may have pointed out the 4 channels and 4 sensors that make up every ABS system in Subarus. Some manufacturers use 3 channel ABS (1 channel for both rear wheels) to cut costs. Honda, for instance.

    The ABS still works on all 4 wheels, though. It's 3 channel ABS, though.

    2 wheel ABS has been used on some cheaper pickups because the rear brakes tend to skid when the bed is empty.
  • in Tennessee paid $29,163 after incentives. Was part of the Subie VIP program through my wife's work. Price included extras: equipment group 1E - the compass mirror with Homelink and all-weather mats.
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    Thanks for reply.
    This is what I suspected. You are buying AWD because of wrong reasons.

    The single (really quadruple) most important item that helps breaking in low traction environments is...
    the tire.

    If you can test drive Subaru Impreza WRX STI, with the most advanced AWD that Subaru makes, in the snow you will find that its summer high performance tires provide almost no traction and you have All Wheel Slide not Drive. Put some nice All Seasons or even better Winter tires and the story changes.

    If you had better tires on current vehicle you would enjoy better control.

    It brings me to another question.

    What kind of tires did you have when you experienced these hair raising adventures?

    Krzys
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    I agree that they got AWD for the wrong reason.

    But I always recommend summer tires and snow tires on spare wheels. "All season" tires are jack of all trades, master of NONE. Summer tread tires are better in the dry and wet than all season and snow or snow/ice tires are MUCH better in winter driving. If you are lucky, you can get cheap steel wheels to fit your car and keep the snow tires mounted up and just swap the wheels w/tires 2x per year. TireRack or DiscountTireDirect are good places to check for winter wheel/tire combos. Add in 4 channel ABS and AWD with 4 snow tires and you will LOVE driving in the snow :D

    Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That works if the change of seasons happens in a clear manner. But DC's weather is unpredictable. We have years with no snow at all, and then we have blizzards in March. Late March.

    You'd be mounting/dismounting your tires 8-10 times per year to have the ideal tire at all times.

    -juice
  • era174era174 Posts: 67
    thanks for your info, krzyss.
    i've learned a lot from you and other members.
    this forum is great!

    fyi, i just had all season tires.
    i'll be sure to have snow tires on my legacy.
    snow tires + awd + 4 channel abs = wow!
  • era174era174 Posts: 67
    i told you about my salesperson who insisted canadian legacy/outback is manufactured in japan. when i taught him how to read subaru VIN (4S3 means the indiana factory, usa), he said all the major parts are made in japan and they're assembled in usa. he's a nice guy, so i didn't wanna argue more. anyway, i' just learned he's been working for subaru just for ONE MONTH! i guess subaru canada has to educate their new sales crew thoroughly (maybe some exit exam after training sessions). anyway, i hope he'll learn more when i need his service.

    my legacy is 2.5i wagon automatic. i paid C$1,000 less than mrsp. canadian mrsp is high, C$ 30,695 (U$ 26,081 / usa mrsp is U$ 23,695). considering it has heated front seats and automatic seat adjustment (options for american models, say around C$ 700), it's still C$ 2,000 (U$ 1,700) more than the usa equivalent.

    fyi, honda cr-v (2.4l, 5a) and accord ex (2.4l, 5a) have almost the same mrsp as legacy 2.5i wagon automatic in usa. they're also around C$ 2,000 more in canada.

    the 2006 canadian version has minor upgrades: yokohama advan a82a tires (p205/50r17 88v), 17" x 7" aluminum alloy and engine immobilizer system.

    i just drove 50 kilometers. i found acceleration quite impressive compared to civic, beetle and mazda3 i used to drive. so far so good. i'll post more on 2005+ legacy/outback forum.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats!

    Join the Subaru Crew threads, under owners clubs, come introduce yourself. We're a fun bunch.

    We also host a chat every Thursday night.

    -juice
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    You'd be mounting/dismounting your tires 8-10 times per year to have the ideal tire at all times.

    I always have spare wheels, so I don't mount the tires (on the wheels) but I do mount the spare wheels on the tires. When I only had one car, I would put the snows on and leave them until I though it was safe to take them off. So I would drive too much on the snows, which wears them out too fast and while are decent in the rain and terrible on dry roads. Now that I have a dedicated snow day car, I just put them on in the winter and leave them and drive another car on non-snow days.

    Dennis
  • Just curious to know what kind of deals (price below MSRP) add ons, upgrades etc I should realistically try to get. I've been quoted $23760 for a 06 Lagacy Limited and $27980 for the 06 Limited GT. Does anyone have any feedback regarding these quotes. Im torn between the Limited and Limited GT. I put on approx 30K miles a year and am worried about the added cost of turbo and gas. Can anyone give any thoughts to justify the GT other then "the fun of driving"

    Thanks,

    Mike
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    I always check prices at carsdirect.com and here at Edmunds "what others are paying". The carsdirect price represents what you could actually buy the car for today from a dealer - so if you can beat that price you usually have a decent deal. I will use my ZIP code, but also the ZIP codes of other close by large cities (3-4 hour drive) when looking for the best price. The dealers locally usually can't compete with dealers in some other cities.

    If I drove 30k per year and had to pay for my own gas, I might have to look for something REALLY efficient and maybe not get a Legacy at all. If I were going to get a new Legacy it would have to be the GT :D

    Dennis
  • I bought a 2006 special edition sedan almost 2 months ago. I paid invoice less the $1,000 Subaru incentive. Edmunds doesn't calculate in the additional Northeast dealer costs on this site so the invoice is a little higher than posted here. Its a manual so on back roads it's fun but a little underpowered on the highway. MPG according to the computer is about 30 in a mix of both city and highway. I calculated it on a couple of tanks the old fashioned way and was getting around 27. I also drive quite a bit, wanted the GT but premium and lower mileage scared me off. If you do a lot of highway driving the GT will be more comfortable sliding into the passing lanes.
  • Greetings, all!
    Posted this over at the Outback/Legacy thread, probably should have put it here! :blush:

    Anywho, just traded in my 02 WRX wagon yesteday, and will be picking up my new ride tomorrow. Local dealer had an '05 GT Ltd auto, red garnet w/ the taupe interior. Apparently, they've discontinued that choice for '06. It'll probably get trashed by the kids, but i was tired of a black interior, so we'll see. Any suggestions on how to protect the seats? (other than not let the kids in???)

    MSRP was $31,620, i got them down to $26,875, including the $2k back from Subaru. Also had them toss in the subwoofer. Gave me $6875 for my WRX, which considering it has 91k miles and needs new brakes, tires, and probably some front-end work (making a funky creaking sound in the right front), guess i can't complain! Oh, it had also gotten rear-ended 3mos into it and had a crappy repair job done to it (paint flaking off the bumper, hatch cover falls off, etc.)

    So, how'd i do on the price?? Also, is the break-in process the same as before - varied RPMs under 4k (or at least try to!) for the first 1k miles?

    Take care all!
    Oliver
  • red927red927 Posts: 118
    This was originally posted on the Dealers' Tricks discussion.

    I have to replace my wife's 03 Subaru Legacy GT since the lease is up at the end of December. Upon the recommendation of a friend, I went to Freehold Subaru (NJ) to get a price. I had done a great deal of research before and even got information from Car_man about the money factor and residual. I spoke to a sales person and explained what I was looking for and my time frame. He was very shocked that I did not want to test drive a car but he brought one around to look at.

    The car he brought had equipment that I did not want (spoiler) and was not the proper color. I asked him about ordering from the factory (not swapping) and he said that I would have to give him a $1000 deposit and had to take the car.

    I then asked him for some figures. He leaves and goes to see his manager who then calls me over. He enters some figures into his computer and tells me that he will lease me the car at absolutely NO PROFIT! He also states that I had to do this by 5:00 or the deal would go away. He also said that there were no 36 month leases from Subaru and I would have to go for a 39 month lease and that I would be able to return the car after 36 months to him, without having to worry about the remaining payments (?????). I kept telling him that I wasn't interested in that type of deal and besides his figures were off. The residual was too low and the money factor was also off. He said that thats what it was and I had to do it today. I thanked him and left as fast as I could.

    I then went to the dealer I had gotten my previous Subarus from (Nitti) and got a 36 month lease, with the proper money factor and residual value. The price was $20/month less and the whole thing took maybe 10 minutes. What a difference!

    Sorry to be so long winded, but I wanted to let people know to stay away from Freehold Subaru. Their tactics are from the dark ages.

    Phil :mad:
  • I've learned a lot about Subaru's from this forum and I know that someone out there will be able to help me.

    I'm in the market for a sport wagon and have been doing a lot of research. I've narrowed my selection down to Subaru, but there's so many different types, I have to admit to a bit of confusion. Legacy, Forrester, Outback and Impreza all come in wagons and each model has like four different versions.

    Does anyone know of a website that does a compare/contrast of all of them or what the major differences are between them? The Legacy seems to be the 'luxury' version, the Outback the 'rugged outdoors' one and the Forrester is the 'economy' one. The Impreza would be the 'sport' one? Have I got that right?

    Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer.
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    You can use edmunds to compare any vehicles, including Subarus to other Subarus but I think You got it right.
    Just one note:
    Outback is not 'rugged outdoors' but more of Legacy with high ground clearance or as rugged as most SUV owners would ever need ;-)
    The same is true for Outback Sport and Forester.

    Krzys
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm not sure I agree with your list.

    Legacy is actually lesser-equipped compared to an Outback, plus some Outbacks have more insulation and a softer ride. It's arguably more luxurious.

    The Legacy 2.5i is more basic, the GT is more sporty. Both are lower to the ground.

    The Impreza 2.5i is their entry-level car, and isn't really that sporty. The WRX is, however. So I guess it depends on which model you refer to.

    The Forester competes with small SUVs like the RAV4. It's the most upright, and has a lot more clearance than an Impreza, plus a square shape for really good cargo carrying capability.

    Try this - first decide if you want small (Impreza), medium (Forester), large (Legacy/Outbcak), or extra large (Tribeca). I realize that overstates their sizes, but pick which size fits your need best.

    Then decide if you need the extra ground clearance. That would push me towards a Forester, Outback, or Tribeca.

    Then, finally, choose your price range, and see what you can afford in that range.

    Test drive a few, they feel a lot different, even though they may look similar on paper.

    -juice
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,458
    happened to be at the dealer today, and saw a legacy (standard) sedan parked next to an Outback sedan. basically, the OB looked like the regular sedan standing on it's tiptoes, or as if someone jack it up to raise the body up off the suspension.

    The Forester is sorta a boxy, quasi-SUV wagon version of the Impreza. The outback is the jacked-up version of the Legacy.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • I agree with juice. I owned a 2001 llb outback wagon and recently bought a 2006 Legacy sedan special edition. The llb had a smoother, more quiet ride.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,458
    Have an offer on the table for a Legacy 2.5i SE 5 speed. Not an eact match, but probably closest to an Accord EX cloth in content (power seat, moonroof, etc.).

    MSRP is $23,200 (has a few trim options), and I was offered it for ~$200 below invoice, or $21,050. Deduct the 1K rebate, and I would be at $20,050.

    Price wise, hard to argue, just have to decide if I like it (it's also not the color I wanted), so might be a tough call.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    Did the dealer present it as $200 below and give you the price as $21,050 or did you reach that conclusion yourself? I'm asking because you're off by about $1000 on the low side. Subaru doesn't have a $2200 profit loaded into the Legacy, that looks like the total with holdback.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,458
    this topic ended up running on 2 threads (my bad). I'll post my resopnse here also, since this is the better place for it.

    according to Edmunds, there is just about 2K spread on that car. The deal was presented (I think) as 2% below invoice, which would be ~$400, but I believe there was also advertising fee tacked on.

    I didn't actualy make the deal as invoice - anything. A friend had gotten that offer (the 2%), and they said they were doing the same for me.

    In any case, I know the MSRP and the selling price, which is just about 2.2K below sticker, before the rebate.

    I don't care what they say it is as related to invoice, I just care that it is a good deal that satisfies me. But, they sure ain't making much on the deal, but they made the offer to me, so who am I to argue.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    Edmunds posts the invoice including holdback, that's the discrepancy. Don't let it be of concern, it's still a great deal. 2% below is splitting the holdback with you, even if they have a doc fee that's in the hundreds you're still doing well.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,458
    got an offer on an SE 5 speed. MSRP 22,620, edmunds invoice 20.973, dealer "cost" 21,248 (diff is advertising charge I think).

    Purchase price is 20,823, so ~150 below edmunds invoice, and ~1,800 below MSRP. Less the 1K rebate, makes the final price before TTL 19,823.

    Certainly a good value IMO, since it is a lot of car for the money.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • Hope someone can help us here. We have an offer for a 2006 legacy 2.5i SE wagon, auto trans.(6BD) for 20,400. We're trading in an old Eagle Summit with a broken transmission, so we're getting this legacy for 19,900 plus TTL in Eau Claire WI.

    It's new, dealer bought it at auction from subaru with wind damage so no paint warrenty. MSRP is 24,820, dealer invoice w/o damage is 22979, we were offered the car for 19,900 with our broken car. Wind damage is barely noticeable to us. CARFAX shows new car on title with no negative info. We think were getting a great deal. Do you? :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think these models are a great value. Both the deals above look good to me, it's probably what I'd buy for my wife today if we were shopping.

    -juice
  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    Wind damage? As in Katrina?
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