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2013 and earlier-Subaru Outback Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • I am not sure if Subaru dealers (breeders) will appraise other brands of vehicles than Subarus over the phone. I explained that I was not interested in making an unnecessary trip (200 mi) without knowing my 2010 limited outback's trade-in value. He than said he would make an exception realizing how far I was from the dealership He asked me several condition related to tires glass door dings service history, all geared I suspect to insure the vehicle could be sold as a Certified Used Subaru. I believe I was dealing with the sales Manager rather than a sales person. We will see how it all goes tomorrow.
  • I am quite excited about my selection (Spec App Pack) and noticed right off that the quality of the interior leather was quite a bit better and thicker than that in my 2010 limited. I decided I just would not be happy without all that Subaru could offer in luxury and quality. love the push button start and the memory seat function. the blue tooth hands free is awsome (have it in my current trade-in car).
  • tripeltripel Posts: 12
    yeah, ive ridden in volvo xc and the acura mdx, and i feel this SAP compares nicely in the luxury feel ...the brown leather really sold me, i liked it so much more than black or white
  • Made it home safely. All went as well as could be. I was quite pleased with how quick and painless it all was. . . . except when I got home four hours later I was greated with an email from Wentworth Subura sent to their customer base stating that they have just received a new shipment of SUBIES and had so many on their lot they were reducing their prices beginning emmediately on all existing stock . . . to a price lower than what i paid . . . What an insult! Just a few hundred dollars but still. Took a little polish of the whole deal.

    As for the vehicle I am tickled. Tighter stearing and ride than my 2010. Got 29.4 mpg (about 1 mpg less than the 2010) I have hours of late \night educational material to read regarding the NAV /audio Sys. The car is quiter than the 2010 sippier at low rpm and a much firmer luxury feel. A joy to drive. If you are in the Northwest I would check out Wentworth in portland as their current sales prices arereally low.
  • Congratulation to your new 2013 Outback.
    $3,600 below MSRP which is under invoice price, good work.

    Question: i don't think there is cash incentive (rebate) from Subaru right now.

    Any reason for dealer to sell under invoice which will reduce the 3% hold back?
  • ksdjwdksdjwd Posts: 8
    edited November 2012
    I thought I negotiated a good price (thanks to help from many of you) but after I added in several upgrades, I'm not sure if I did that well. The dealer would not budge on the price for the hitch, bike rack, and wheel arch moldings.

    I paid $30,000 (before taxes and license fees) for a 2013 OB Limited with moonroof package, all weather mats, rear seat back protector, wheel locks, splash guards, side moldings, rear bumper cover, wheel arch moldings, hitch, bike rack, It also included puddle lamps which I don't particularly want. Was this a good price?

    Also, any recommendations on whether to take the gold plus SAS warranty? LOVE the car!
  • cmunizcmuniz Posts: 604
    I'm interested in a 2.5i Limited w/SAP in the the brown color because it sounds like it would be very unique. I can't find one in any of the local dealers and was wondering how many of you have actually seen one and what your think. Looking at the brochure and pictures it looks almost black and if it looks the same in the sunlight I might have to go with the white. Thanks!
  • In what region are you located? I have seen several in Brilliant Brown Pearl in th northwest. I almost settled on it because it is quite nice and unusual. The brochure shows it well. I decided on white because it is easier to care for, shows imperfections less and no swirls.
  • cmunizcmuniz Posts: 604
    I'm in the Dallas/Ft Worth area. Obviously we don't have the volume of Subaru's that you have in the Northwest. I used to live in the Western North Carolina mountains and there were lots there, too. The big question for me - is it different enough from black to look unique?
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 171
    I'm not sure what the puddle lights, wheel arch moldings, hitch and bike rack go for but it sounds pretty good to me. We paid $29,200 for ours, which except for those items was the same as yours.

    Our negotiation took two emails and done.

    So, I'd say you did pretty well. Congratulations.

    easypar
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 171
    We were very interested in new brown too, until we saw one in a row with a black and grey in a nearby dealer. We liked the seats and the power seat preset buttons but looking at the saddle leather color against all the black on the dashboard and door panels turned us off.

    At that same dealership we saw the new Blue color and decided on it instead of white. We bought the Blue color instead and our local dealer ordered it from a Denver dealership. It was the first one that the sales force at our local dealership had seen and they decided then to order another one in Limited and one in Premium trim to have on the lot.

    Naturally since we bought ours (early September) I've seen several more in our little (55,000) town.

    easypar
  • Hello all.....great comments and advice.

    I have a deposit on a 2013 Subaru 3.6R Limited with Special Appearance Package and few other floor maps and cargo nets. The vehicle is a demonstrator driven by the sales manager. It has 2600 miles on it, never titled, will have first oil change, detailed, etc. The list is $36,948 and the deal is $32,500 plus taxes, etc. The dealer is located in Maryland.

    I feel that is a fair price but would appreciate any comments.
  • I thought I had done adequate research when going to the dealer today to try to get some #s but clearly I had not. Using truecar via my (or my wife's) employer, it showed an MSRP around 28200 after "regional fees" of $300 . .destination + all weather + pkg 1B (all weather mats, bumper protector, mud guards, homelink mirror) . It matches edmunds but they don't show this $300 regional adder. Truecar shows their Estimated price of 25800 (from some dealer 150 miles away ) . The dealer showed me a # like that but then showed their $536 holdback and $536 advertising fee. In the end... best price to me after the sales manager dance was $536 over what I thought was real invoice.. This is 7% off msrp.

    Before I went, I had exercised the "costco deal" thru a dealer about 100 miles away ( only local participating one) and I thought I was getting $425 under invoice from him but the invoice price he quoted me is about $500 over what I was expecting so their bottom lines come out pretty much the same.

    So I conclude that I can't assume the edmunds invoice prices are the #s the dealers care to use when talking x under invoice. They want to tack on their holdback and advertising and then take something off of that.

    I admit I have not bought a car in 15 years (others just keep going and going).

    I see deals people are getting here 10-15% under invoice (which invoice # to trust I don't know) . Many of those appear to be Limiteds so perhaps they deal more there.. Not sure.. My wife refuses to go leather so I'm sunk there. It seems I am way off in my thinking of what kind of good deal I could get.

    I was expecting for this 2.5i Premium All Weather with a few accessories.. I would be in the low 25s . Right now I'm at 26256 .. or 27398 if I go for the moonroof/backup camera (which I was going to install myself (camera that is ) while upgrading the stereo I hear stinks ) and all weather mats, bumper protector cargo net, puddle lights & mud guards) .. That is 7.6% off of msrp.

    We had not gotten to talk about warranties ( i've never taken an extended one before) or anything other than their 1.9% financing.

    I could try to get quotes far away but that does seem like a lot of work.. I am asking a relative in PA to see if he can secure something more attractive as a comparison. Not sure if PA would be PZEV as they all are here so I have to be careful about that $300 delta.

    Appreciate any advice.
  • Thanks Easypar. Did you decide to do the Subaru SAS extended warranty? I'm still debating. I don't usually do extended warranties but this is my first Subaru.
  • carteachcarteach Posts: 179
    I'm ready to buy the Outback Ltd. I'd like to have it before the end of the month. Some people have mentioned that negotiations by email take some days. Am I better off doing this by phone? internet? Not sure how I should proceed to take advantage of the end of the month days.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 171
    No, I passed on the extended warranty. When you subtract the factory warranty from the time and miles on the extended one you see that you're not buying very much protection. And you're paying a pretty high price for it. With as reliable as cars are today I consider extended warranties a really bad thing to spend money on.
    I spent most of my working life in sales, usually covering very large georgraphical territories. I never owned a new car until I retired. I used to buy mid or full size sedans from people who were upside down on year old cars. I would then run them until they had 200,000-300,000 miles on them. Over the years I saw cars getting progressively better, particularly the drivetrains.

    Speaking for myself and a couple of guys that worked for me the only major expenses we had on cars from the mid-1990's onward were; igniters on GM cars at 130K miles (a couple of us), full A/C replace on GM cars (lots of aluminum in the compressor which would disintegrate with heavy use-I think this has been remedied for years), microscopic cracks in intake manifolds on first generation fuel injection on Fords. Other than that we've done the usual replacement of batteries (always replaced at 4 years, regardless of mileage, water pumps and a couple of power steering pumps.

    The only other drive train problem we've had was on my wife's '98 Forester, but Subaru has long since remedied that problem.

    I'd pass on that warranty and invest instead in what I always considered the best warranty, REGULAR OIL CHANGES. When I was selling I did my oil religiously at 5,000 miles and tranny fluid at 35,000. That meant that there were times that I had two oil changes in one month sometimes.

    BTW, our dealer offered and extended "service" package of 12 oil/filter changes for about $280. Since the Outback has synthetic oil now I bought that!

    good luck
    easypar
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 171
    I found on both my '10 Legacy and my '13 Outback that emails were answered promptly, usually in a few hours. Anyone who takes days to answer emails isn't serious about business or they think it's still 1996!

    easypar
  • Followup to my (sorry) long post before.. My local dealer won't budge yet from 2.5i pzev premium , moonroof pkg, all weather
    $27350 ... with these port installed things: all weather mats, rear bumper protector, cargo net, puddle lights & mud guards ... 7.6% off of msrp but pretty much at edmunds invoice.

    I was expecting to be under invoice by say $500 or more.. They claim to be losing $ if we go any lower (they do include free state inspections for life of car.. free loaners for service.. etc .. but still )


    Invoice MSRP
    24782 26295
    1620 1945 Moon/Camera
    795 795 deswt
    283 438 Stuff
    ------ --------------
    27480 29473
  • I think that generally the extended service contracts are only worth it on vehicles with known trouble areas that are costly, or with complex electronic systems (above & beyond the normal complexity of modern cars), and then only if you can get a good price.

    I got a super price on a factory contract and since my OB has the automatic climate control and fancy sound system, etc., it was not a tough decision. I usually pass but over the past 20 yrs. on those ESCs I did buy, I've come out ahead on more than not (I "made money" (more repairs paid for than the contract cost) on the '01 Audi A6 Avant; '98 VW Passat; '05 Toyota Matrix XRS, and '89 SAAB 900... didn't pay off on the '05 Toyota Tacoma or the '90 Acura Integra).
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,267
    "as good as it gets" varies by area. Invoice in the northeast isn't a bad thing at all!

    You had asked previously about a $300 discrepancy from what you were seeing on a website. That might be the regional distributor fee in the northeast, which other regions don't have to pay, but is a real cost to dealers in that region. Other things, like the dealer holdback and advertising, is built into the standard invoice price. So, when you take invoice, what you see on the websites is generally correct, then add the $300 on top for the NE dealers, and you should be right. Holdback, etc., is profit for the dealership.

    Based on the numbers you're showing, I don't think you are getting a bad deal. It might not be the best one anyone has managed this year, but, if that's your goal, you need to expand your search radius dramatically.

    Good luck!
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