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2013 and earlier-Subaru Outback Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • Hi pdlpsher - I'm also looking to purchase an '08 LL Bean (but w/o nav), in the near future. Are you able to disclose the names/locations of the dealers that you obtained the quotes for $4000+ under MSRP ? Thanks in advance. :)
  • Where ever you are... get internet pricing first. Don't get physically close to a dealer until you've gotten at least 5 quotes. If you're in Colorado... there is a great dealer north of Denver. (see prior posts in this thread.)
  • Another one from Colorado looking to buy a Subary LLB with Nav/VDC/Leather. Live close to Flatirons Subaru and Valley Subaru
    is not that far either. I saw some negative experience posts about
    Flatirons and positive references to Valley Subaru.

    If I could help it, I would like to buy it either @ Flatirons or Valley.

    Want to hear recent Flatirons or Valley buying experience.

    Will the incentives and rebates on Subaru get any better ? They had
    much better incentives & rebates last year.

    Thanks,
    MG
  • I bought a '08 Outback LTD from Valley ( over the internet ) the end of October. The deal I got was good and the delivery problems I had were handled to my satisfaction.
    They also gave me a good trade on my '05 Outback. G.M's name is Bob Taylor.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,392
    They had much better incentives & rebates last year.

    They did? I bought a Subaru last year and my memory tells me exactly the opposite. This time last year, rebate was $750... this year? Double that and 2.9% financing. ;)
  • I think it depends on which Subaru. the Outback XT for example is only $750, not $1500 rebate.

    As for Valley Subaru, I have had mixed results. I tried to get quotes from them, and they would email me daily with different pricing, but never give me everything I needed as far as a complete selling price, residual, mf, etc. on a lease.

    Then, after sending email saying (the cliche) "sell regardelss of profit", I wrote back and said 'let's talk'. Heard nothing. May call the Sales manager mentioned above as I too have heaard good things about Valley.

    GO on the other hand, was also quite aggressive at first but I've found GO to be just like all the other dealers: They do NOT want to talk numbers other than your monthly. I don't like dealing with people like that.
  • I'd call Bob Taylor the GM. He is the only one that handled my issues. None of them at Valley respond to voicemail so talk to him directly!

    I don't know if it will help but you can tell him you got his name from Larry in New Mexico. By the way... I love the car !
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,392
    That's true - the $1500 does exclude the XT. I checked Edmunds yesterday and the incentive for December is back to $1500 or 2.9% financing. Again, not for XT - I did not check that one.
  • I'm sorry I haven't looked at this forum thread sooner.

    Valley vs. Flatirons. It's interesting because when I was looking for an Outback Limited in the Denver area, I contacted EVERY dealership first through Edmunds "Get Dealer Quotes" and through subaru.com.

    I wanted the best deal, as I had no loyalty to anyone.

    From that experience, Valley Subaru in Longmont, was the clear-cut winner. Specifically their internet sales manager, was the first to respond, the first to provide ACCURATE and the LOWEST pricing, and ultimately where I purchased the vehicle EXACTLY as discussed before I went to the the showroom. There were no surprises, no hidden nothing. While other dealers were sending me redundant e-mails about what model and color I wanted - Valley gave me pricing including tax. I paid exactly what they told me before I came - and it was the lowest of all the dealers on the front range.

    I really thought Flatirons was going to be the winner... but they honestly weren't even in the ballpark... poor response and their pricing was significantly higher than Valley. In fact, I had called the Sales Manager @ Flatirons to convey my disappointment - he apologized, but offered to do nothing.

    Hope this information helps. I write this because my history with purchasing used to be horrible... I used to get so emotionally attached to a vehicle, that I would "give in"... now I know better - and the internet makes the process VERY simple. Good luck - share your decision w/ this forum.
  • My experience was completely the opposite. The pricing from Valley was accurate within a dollar, when I asked for pricing including sales tax - they sent it to me immediately.

    GO Subaru on the other hand was horrible... I gave them the exact same specifications as I gave Valley... GO Subaru kept coming back with "what model, color and options do you want". It was horrible.... 2 months after I made the purchase from Valley, I was still getting e-mails from Go Subaru, after numerous responses that said I was done w/ the buying process. When I finally got pricing, it was signficantly higher than Valley (apples to apples).
  • We are thinking about leasing 2008 basic OutBack and so far I cannot get together the numbers.
    Here is what the dealer is telling me for 3-year/ 36,000 miles lease:
    $20,777 - price after $1,500 rebate
    56% - residual value
    0.0017 - money factor
    $279 - monthly payment

    My questions are:
    1. Are residual value and money factor relatively fair for this lease?
    2. My calculations of monthly payment give me
    (20777-0.56*20777)/36. = 253.94
    (20777+0.56*20777)*0.0017=55.10
    Total payment = $308.04,
    which is $29 more than he is telling me.

    Why is he is undercharging me? And the price of 20,777 for basic with auto transmission is ynder invoice, isn't it?
    So where is the catch? Are they getting a huge dealer rebate or something?
    I would appreciate if carman explain this situation to me.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,905
    Multiply your residual percentage by the MSRP, not the selling price., then subtract that number from your selling price to determine total depreciation... then, divide by the monthly term.

    MODERATOR
    Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • dulesdules Posts: 37
    I am doing Internet pricing and this one dealer has been very responsive, not pushy - two other dealers have been a little aggressive borderline rude so I have not asked them to come back with second prices against this one. Frankly if this price is good I'll probably go with it just to encourage good customer treatment - but if I could save 500 + I'll ask the rude guys to play ball.

    Outback 2.5 i limited w/VDC and PZEV option = 24,200
    We are in the Boston area, if that matters. Planning to buy by end of month.

    Thanks!!!
  • Thank you for the correction!
    Now the monthly payment number becomes closer: $291, though it is still bigger than the quoted one: $279.
    Do the lease parameters look correct for 3-years/36000 miles lease:

    Residual value: 56%
    money factor: 0.0017
    ?

    Thanks in advance.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,392
    Why is he is undercharging me? And the price of 20,777 for basic with auto transmission is ynder invoice, isn't it?

    No, it is exactly invoice. Invoice on the Basic Auto, with no options, is $22,277, so subtract $1500 rebate and you are at $20,777, which is still invoice.
  • dulesdules Posts: 37
    I am doing Internet pricing and this one dealer has been very responsive, not pushy - two other dealers have been a little aggressive borderline rude so I have not asked them to come back with second prices against this one. Frankly if this price is good I'll probably go with it just to encourage good customer treatment - but if I could save 500 + I'll ask the rude guys to play ball.

    Outback 2.5 i limited w/VDC and PZEV option = 24,200
    We are in the Boston area, if that matters. Planning to buy by end of month.


    (bump) - anyone???
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I usually use fitzmall.com for a price reference, but they don't sell the PZEV models.

    The other no-haggle dealer I'm familiar with is Van Bortel, in NY. They should have them.

    Price one and see how it compares to your deal, even ask your dealer to match their price, perhaps.
  • oak23oak23 Posts: 2
    $24,200??? That's an amazing deal, esp. compared to NYC dealers. Any options on this Limited? And is it Manual or Auto? 2007 or 2008? If it's a 2007 with manual that might explain the price.

    I've been quoted $26,500 on Long Island AFTER the $1250 incentive was applied to a 2008 2.5i Limited w/VDC and PZEV and a couple of options (mirror, armrest, mats).

    I think I can get them down to $25,500 at least, but seeing someone with a $24,200 quote in the Northeast makes me rethink my goal.
  • I agree that 24,200 sounds incredible. Actually too good to be true.

    You can do better in NYC. I am currently looking too. Many dealers quoted me much higher but two jersey dealers are quoting me under 25K. One is at 24.6 and change plus 264 doc fee. contact me at risprasa@gmail.com if you want to talk in further detail.
  • dulesdules Posts: 37
    Yes, that's what he quoted me. Since it was the first quote, I figured I could do better so I called another dealer, who quoted 24,695 and wished me luck with my new car when I quoted him back the 24.2. THe other 2 internet quotes were not impressive, and not particularly nice.

    This is in Boston, 2008, 2.5i Automatic, Limited, VDC and PZEV. No additional options (this already has so much more than I've ever had before!!!).

    Sounds like this one is the taker!

    Oh, and to the person in NYC/NJ, I got my Forester no-haggle through a dealer in Englewood NJ when I lived in Montclair. We wanted a (then new) 03 XS Manual and no one had it, he located it and gave us the best price. A little hiccup on the trade in value but when I showed him the printouts from this site on its value he gave me the $$. I'd recommend emailing them since they are close to NYC.

    Thanks all, now I need to convince DH!!

    M
  • Hi Steviemax1,

    The dealer where I purchased my 3.0R LL Bean is Larry Miller in Boise. Based on first e-mail response they weren't the lowest in price. I told them another dealer in Utah was offering $4200 off of MSRP. And they responded with a $4000 off. Good luck on your purchase.
  • oak23oak23 Posts: 2
    Dules - the $24,200 is with the current cash back incentive of $1250 applied, right?
  • Just be careful about destination. Some dealers have a habit of specifying the price and then not including destination charge. Or possibly some other garbage fees. MA dealers have high doc fees so he could be getting you there. If I were you I would ask him to take the 24,200 price and give an out the door price. It woiuld be best if he broke it down and gave taxes, doc fee etc.

    The best I got in the NY/NJ area is 24,550.
  • dulesdules Posts: 37
    Yup, here is the response to what other charges I would pay in addition to the 24.2K:

    5% tax, 274 for new plates or 253 for transfer plates.
    No other charges

    Really, not bad. Especially given the weather we're having (2 hours to go 6 miles this afternoon, bleh!).
  • Hello:
    On 3.0R LL Bean,

    1. What kind of mileage are you getting ? 17/24 is not quite
    good for a midsize wagon

    2. How is the noise level ? Is it quite ? I need to
    install a Bluetooth Handsfree car kit.

    3. Navigation: Is it good ? I think it does not have
    text to voice capability.

    Thanks and I appreciate any responses.

    ---M
  • Hello, I'm in the process of purchasing an off-rental 07 Outback 2.5i. There are a lot of them actually offered in the Denver metro area. Mileage ranges from 10K-25K. Prices range from 18.9K to 23K. What's the price I should offer at the dealer? Is 17.2K a good starting price?

    Also, does anybody know where I can get Added Security at invoice price?

    Thank!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Get an e-quote from these guys on the warranty:

    http://www.moyersubaru.com/

    Make sure to ask if the rental history makes it non-eligible for the factory warranty, though.
  • Made the deal yesterday for 07 Outback 2.5i, with 23K miles for 18.3K. We got also Added Security Gold 7years-100K for dealer cost of 1120. Got it at Go Subaru South in Denver.
  • Last month I purchased a new 2008, Legacy Outback 2.5 LTD from a dealership here in Florida. According to the window sticker, I have the standard 3 year/36,000 mile basic warranty. But in last week’s mail I received an “Added Security” certificate, from Subaru, extending my warranty to 3 years/45,000 miles, (whichever occurs first.) It shows that I’ve already paid $246.00 plus tax, for a total of $260.00 and some change.

    I’m against buying extended warranties, for most things, with few exceptions. So I called the salesman to ask what he knew about this certificate. He said it probably was “a gift” because Subaru does things like that. (It sounds like a load of bull to me.) He then said if I brought it by the showroom, he'd be able to tell me for sure. So I stopped by there yesterday, showed it to him and he then told me it was indeed a freebie. Not being totally convinced of this, I asked if everyone who buys a new Outback gets this and he replied, “Yes.” I then asked why it shows exactly what I paid, including tax and he said, “They have to document it.” What's also odd, and I told the guy, is that he never once mentioned this while I was trying to decide, whether or not to by the car. If what he's saying is true, it would be an incredible sales tool. He didn't really have an answer for that one. I suppose anything is possible and if this really is at no additional charge, then fine. But I want to be absolutely certain that there wasn’t a “hidden charge,” somewhere, when I bought the car. Furthermore, I do very little driving nowadays and usually put less than 5,000 miles, per year, on the car. So it’s highly unlikely I would ever benefit from the additional 9,000 miles. Unless it truly is thrown in at "no additional charge," I want the money refunded.

    I'm hoping some of you other owners, of new Outbacks, can shed some light on this. Did any of you receive this “Added Security” certificate, in the mail, without knowingly paying for the extra coverage? I just received the Subaru “Purchase Experience Survey” and the salesman/dealership keep bothering me to fill it out, give them “high marks” and to then return the survey immediately. But before I do, I want to know beyond any doubt, that I'm not being sold a bill of goods. I would greatly appreciate some feedback ASAP. Thanks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well, you paid what you paid, and they're giving you something extra, so I wouldn't be fighting that.

    Call 800-SUBARU3 and ask if indeed your warranty is registered with them.

    If not, it's probably a dealer-only package and probably isn't worth much.
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