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2013 and earlier-Subaru Outback Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • Has anyone compared the 2.5 to the 3.6? Pro's/Con's of either?

    Thanks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's power vs. mileage, basically.

    The 3.6 may have the edge in historical reliability.
  • Also, you can get a stick with the 2.5; you can't with 3.6.
  • We live in the hilly part of NJ, sometimes do long journeys and also drive around NY City; when we had rental cars with smaller engines we found the fuel economy was less than expected since we always had pedal to the metal to keep up the speed we expected.

    For us the larger engine with auto was a very simple and easy preferred choice and after all, we have down sized from much larger V8's...
  • Dude, how much did they pay you for this infomercial ?
  • Dude! Not a dime :) It's just that I got burned :mad: by the first dealer I went to that I was so grateful to at last find a good one.
  • red927red927 Posts: 118
    The dealer that I used in NJ since '92 went OOB and the franchise was taken over by Haldeman in Hamilton Square. They do not have a good reputation and the former service manager at Nitti Subaru recommended Miller Subaru on Route 38 in Lumberton, NJ. I took my Subaru there for some minor issue and was impressed by their service department. I both heard and read very positive things about their sales department. The advertise as a Philadelphia area dealership, so you should give them a try.
  • Thanks for the info..
  • nubienubie Posts: 2
    Looking to buy soon here in Washington state. Just curious if invoice price + TTL is the best I can do.
  • At this point you need to consider if the dealer has a stock unit at the spec you want - the tax deduction and lower interest rate deal that wiil not apply for factory orders (tax deduction for sure) may save you more than the last squeeze on the invoice price.

    If you know you will have to order - then yes you can probably do a little better.
  • msk3msk3 Posts: 3
    Hello,

    I am new to this forum. This is my first post. We are planning to buy a 2010 Outback 3.6R Limited model. We live in NY metro area. Have been told by many dealers that 3.6R Limited model is in extreme short supply and waiting period on a factory order would be 6-8 weeks. Given this short supply, can we believe the advertisements of dealers offering the 3% discount on the invoice price? Anybody on this forum has bought 3.6R Limited in NY metro area, if so what price have you paid? Also, do you get discounts on the options such as moonroof and or NAV package?

    Appreciate any help! Thanks in advance.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Prices can be better than what's on the lot because they haven't paid interest on any inventory, so their costs are often lower.
  • I have a 3.6R Limited on order, 6-8 weeks is conservative.

    Yes you can believe the discounts, without that and since the Tax deduction will be gone and lower cost financing in doubt - you can expect 3% or more.

    Yes the discount applies to the entire purchase except TTL and dealer paperwork.
  • I'm considering a 2005 Outback XT (not XT Limited) with only 30K miles. Asking price is $16K. That seems high to me, even though it is low mileage.

    Any thoughts on what a more fair price would be OTD?

    I'm okay with the styling vs. the newer models, but was any significant safety feature added to the Outback in the last couple of years that should make me consider foregoing what seems like could be a decent deal if I could get the price down a bit?

    Would really appreciate any advice.
  • I forgot to mention check out the Van Bortel (Rochester, NY) website as a starting point for your price negotiation in the Tri State area. I did better, but then I'm still waiting for my car ...
  • morin2morin2 Posts: 399
    The 2005 was the first year of the third generation of Outbacks. Between 05 and 09, the last year, they changed stereos seemingly every year. There were minor trim and option changes in every year. The biggest change was for the 2009 model year when stability control was standard across the board. Some other changes were TPMS in 2007 (I could live without it...). I think all the XTs were in Limited trim in 2008-2009 and included VDC.

    As far as pricing - that's just the "asking" price for those who just fell off the turnip truck. If its a certified vehicle at a dealer, its pretty close to reality because the turbo XT was a pricier vehicle when new than a base 2.5. The warranty for a certified vehicle would be worth a fair bit, so the final negotiated price would be closer to the asking price. If its a manual trans, its more rare, but you can use that in bargaining because so many people can't drive sticks (but understand that the MT XT has a devoted following). Whether a MT or an auto XT, you should be able to get a couple of thousand off, maybe a little more if there is no warranty.

    The asking price is not so out of line as to rule out a test drive, carfax and mechanic's checkup. If it passes all 3, you're then ready to negotiate in confidence. Good luck.
  • msk3msk3 Posts: 3
    Thanks britgeezer

    If you don't mind, can you tell me what price did you pay for the 3.6R Limited and for what options?

    Regards
  • msk3msk3 Posts: 3
    Thanks ateixeira! This tip certainly helps as I am most likely to go for a factory order.
  • nubienubie Posts: 2
    Thanks britgeezer. It looks like several dealerships have cars that have the spec that we like. I may wait until the 30th or 31st to see if I can get a better offer.
  • No warranty on this car, and not certified. Carfax is "clean" but it's also empty--there's nothing on it--no notes about service being performed, etc. It's being sold by what I understand to be a pretty reputable dealer, but the dealer isn't a Subaru dealer. This is only my second time buying a used car and I'm nervous about it. The first time did not go well. Wasn't a Subaru, and had a lot more miles, but it was a complete dud.

    Maybe I should play it safe and restrict my buying only to cars that still have some of the factory warranty.
  • morin2morin2 Posts: 399
    No warranty and not certified would just mean to me that there's more wiggle room in the negotiation - not that the car is not worth buying. A non-subaru dealer selling a subaru will probably have less in the car than a subaru dealer and so, you might get a better deal. Some people look for used cars at dealers selling other makes new. I remember reading once that some statistical analysis supported the lower prices. Subarus are hard to buy used because they hold their value so well. Buying at a non-Subaru dealer might be one way to lower that price.

    In this case, no warranty means you have to get it inspected by a mechanic. Ask the dealer if its ok - if not, then walk, but say that because of the turbo, you want to have it checked. If they ok the inspection, it will be the best $75-100 investment you can make. Then you'll be ready to negotiate. Take your time, start low, walk out at least once, or bring along an experienced negotiator.

    You can buy a great used car. In March 05, I bought a like-new 02 Chevy Prizm with 25K miles on it for 5250 cash (several walk-outs and call backs) from a Chrysler-Jeep dealer who took it in trade locally & wanted 10,299. I drove it for 4 years without a single problem, Now my daughter is driving it at 99K miles and it still has been problem-free. I've done that many times - this is just the most recent, because my more recent purchases have both been new subarus.

    Good luck!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Ask in this thread:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ee9c851/38992#MSG38992

    There are pros there who work in dealerships and can give you the wholesale value, as well as a reasonable markup for a sale.
  • I am close to purchasing one. Is $30,400 a good price? The only option included is a moonroof. I am an Illinois buyer
  • Never owned a Subaru so have no experience with them in rough driving conditions. Would any of you guys skip buying an older Subaru that is in otherwise good shape because it doesn't have stability/traction control? Or is it less important on a car with AWD? One of the reasons we're buying this car is because we need s safer car than our current very old and barely stable Nissan Sentra.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 186
    It wouldn't bother me, I never owned a car with it until my wife's Lexus about 6 years ago. Both of us were raised in snow country and other than our time in TX have always lived in slippery areas. Although TX had some really bad ice storms during our time there, during which we were smart enough to STAY AT HOME.

    OTOH I'd use the lack of stabiltiy control as a negotiation tactic to try to get the seller to knock some more off the price. Make sure that there are good service records, COMPLETE and if it's within a year or 10,000 miles of needing any of the "major" services that they do those or knock 120% of the cost of same off the price. Insist on new tires and no chips in the windscreen too.

    easypar
  • Hi Adrian,

    I am in Madison, CT. Any tip on CT dealer? I am new to Subaru.
  • IMO AWD & traction control etc., are almost mutually exclusive ... having one doesn't obviate the need for the other, etc.

    I wouldn't make lack of it a deal killer, I had no TC/VDC on any car until I bought my '09 Outback Ltd. last July. It's nice to have, to be sure, but in any case you must realize that AWD will never overcome the laws of physics and it is in no way a free pass to drive less than prudently for conditions.

    Good luck on the hunt....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    in rough driving conditions

    Stability control is a plus, absolutely.

    But...so is a long-travel suspension that keeps the tires on the ground. Plus AWD. Plus the limited-slip rear diff on many models, prior to the arrival of VDC.

    Subarus were traction specialists before stability control even existed.
  • msj09msj09 Posts: 31
    Since the inventory of the Outback 2.5i Limited is well......extremely limited here in the bay area I have to order an Outback to get what I want. It seems that most dealers will order one for invoice. Anyone having experience ordering one for less than invoice?
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 186
    I'm suprised to hear that the supply is limited in the Bay Area. Still, invoice is not a bad price IMO. I'm in the Colorado front range area and the Legacy sales here have been strong since the new one was introduced. Legacy is actually the number one selling sedan in Colorado for the first 10 months of the year.

    Even with the strong sales I didn't have any trouble getting one for less than invoice and I know of at least one person who got a few hundred better than I did.

    Once I had decided on the color/interior combo they looked to see how many were in the Denver distribution center, picked it up the next day and added the the splash guards, wind deflectors etc. They didn't balk about the price.

    Good luck.

    easypar
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