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Kia Sorento Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    All dealers have an admin fee that they won't and in many states can't budge on. When you start negotiating that should be the first question out of your mouth...."what admin/docs fees does the dealer charge". Use that amount just like the factory destination charge and treat it as non-negotiable. That way you know what the "real" OTD price is.

    Many states limit the amount of doc fee. They can charge less or have the option not to charge it at all. However, states have also ruled that if they charge it to one customer they have to charge the same thing to all customers or they can be charged with discrimination because it is a fee. They can adjust the actual price of the car all they want so it really is a game at the end of the day.
  • kiramakirama Posts: 15
    No matter if the fee is 'required' or not, they could drop the price of the car by the same amount..I think you can find another dealer to beat that deal anyway. If you use truecar data and add in the additional $1000 incentive (truecar only shows one rebate for $1,000) a dealer 51 miles will sell you the same car for $19,451 + tax and license. truecar It's usually pretty easy to figure out what dealer truecar is using by going here and searching for new Kia Sorento's within 75 miles of 11101 (zipcode I used in truecar) kia sorento inventory
  • Thanks for the replys on my Big 3 Kia experience. Not 3 hours after I posted it, the saleman called me back and said he went over everyones head and the boss approved the removal of the 349 "admin fee" because they want to meet sales quotas. Since I was happy with my original agreed upon 20700 price before the 349 fee we now have a deal. Next time I will ask about this fee or ask to see the sheet they do the final writeup on and cross out the admin fee amount before spending hours negotiating. I always mention a negotiated OTD price because they never want to call you a liar if you when you need to play the OTD card. Its like a retailer selling you a 5000 flat screen and tacking on an admin fee to pay their overhead. It shouldnt be allowed. Most people probably just fold on the issue.
    Happy Thanksgiving to all.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    Don't know what state you're in but after you do the final paperwork at the dealership let us know how they "removed" the admin fee. I'd be interested as to whether the fee was still on the paperwork but they just reduced the sale price of the car to make the difference or if it was, in fact, removed completely.
  • Considering an AWD I4EX since 3rd. row seats a n/a for us and do not care for the full panoramic roof Kia option on V6 model. Dealer said they can have 3rd.party installer add a functional moon roof for frt. seat roof area and get it covered under 5yr. warranty if done at purchase time. Has anyone had any experiences adding a moon roof other than from factory, and if so any issues developed over time? Looking in MA.Thks.
  • I'm in New York State, specifically on Long Island. I pick up the car tonight and will update you soon. If my memory serves me correctly (I dealt with this issue on my 2003 Altima purchase), this hand written sheet "disappears" and is replaced with a "typed" sheet (sorry I dont know what the correct term is for the sheets)which starts with the final total purchase price before taxes, title fees, rebates and down payments. This is why its so sneaky, if you dont realize it when it written up and signed, you will never see it on the typed sheet. (BTW, this is the sheet my insurance agent needs a copy of along with the window sticker to ensure proper coverage). Then it get confusing with the addition of the rest of the info adding and subtracting amounts to get to the bottom line which is what is owed by bank check when picking up the car. I have an accounting background which helps immensely. Ill update on Monday.
  • As I thought, the revised bill of sale shows only "price of car" which would have been my negotitated price and the 349 :administrative fee". So basically, you have one chance to catch the addition of this "admin fee" as the form which had the preprinted 349 "admin fee" on it (which the salesman then completed by hand with the taxes, rebates and down payment) becomes the final "typed" bill of sale which combines my negotiated price with the admin fee onto one line, "price of car". Then unless your good at numbers and know what the tax is supposed to be calculated on you might never notice. Next time I buy new, I will cut to the chase and state that any admin fee will be part of my negotiated price. I may even ask to see the form in advance to establish what Im talking about. Thanks.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    Thanks for the follow up. Don't know why you would want the $349 admin fee rolled into the "price of car" because that is usually the amount you pay sales tax on. If it is a "fee" on the bill of sale it shouldn't be taxed, at least in most states.

    In fact, getting a lower sales price and a higher admin fee can actually save one a few bucks. I see people on here getting all upset because the dealer charges a $500 admin fee. It makes little difference if you negotiate into the final price and will usually save a few dollars in tax.
  • I agree with you. But most of the time people negotiated a price without knowledge of this fee and therefore it is truly an add-on which is (or isnt) discovered when they put together that intial sales invoice. By then most people are worn out, have no fight left or simply dont want to challenge the salesperson on his assertion that this is a "standard" fee charged on all sales.
  • One other point, in NY at least, the fee would be taxable based upon the way they handle it. That means either they are doing something wrong in regards to the sales tax laws OR it is indeed a bogus fee meant to increase profits which is why its taxable and made part of the price of the auto. Either way its shady the way its handled. It appears and then disappears.
  • rkennrkenn Posts: 9
    I'm in Baldwin and went to Karp Kia. In the process of looking for a Sorento as well. Where did you end up buying?
  • moymoy Posts: 7
    We have been looking for a replacement commuter car for my wife for months now and had been looking at the Tucson, but thought it was too small. The Sorento seemed to fit the bill and we test drove one and the wife loved it.

    After reviewing all the information on Truecar and knowing that there was a $2K in rebates, we went down to negotiate for the 2011 SX. The sticker showed $33.2 and they added some of their standard options such as fabric and paint sealant. They also had Tire Assurance and some advertisement fee which brough the MSRP up to about $35.5K.

    We sat down and their drive out was something around $37K. I checked Truecar and it showed $29.9K with $1K rebate, so I knew that their invoice was probably about $28.9K with the additional 1K rebate that Truecar was not showing. I basically told him that I had done a lot of research and was prepared to offer $31.5K OTD and that was final. He asked if he if could get that price, would I buy it? I told him yes and he went off to talk to his manager. He came back 10 minutes later and we had a deal.

    We have been driving it most of the day and the wife loves it. I like the newer technology in it as both of our previous cars do not have the level of technology in them that this has. I should note that this purchase was in Houston, TX. It seems that they are very willing to deal with the rebates going away on 11/30. I thought the deal was pretty fair. Good luck to the rest of you.
  • dodgehappydodgehappy Posts: 118
    edited December 2010
    Helped my sister close a deal on a new 2011 Sorento LX with Convienence pack, wheel locks, cargo cover, bumper protector. Lease for 36 months 15k miles per year- Total quoted per month was $319 per month with 0.00 out of pocket (tax included) for top tier credit out the door. Kings Kia Ohio
  • I wound up buying at Kia Auto World since I had put the time and effort in dealing with the saleman. They then promise 9.95 oil changes for life if you give all tens when the survey company calls. Also check the Better Business Bureau for Kia Auto World. I checked after I purchased and found they have an "F" rating! I could not find Karp Kia when I checked. As a comparison, the Ford dealership in Hempstead (who I deal with for the Ford I purchased last year) had an A" rating!
  • I just bought a 2011 kia LX AWD with convinence Pkg + cargo cover+cargo net+cargo try for $23151+TT price included $1000 rebate.

    Did I get a good deal?
  • We are closing the deal on a 2011 Kia Sedona LX with convenience pkg, mud flaps, cargo, cover, cargo net and tray. They offered us $1000 rebate from Kia (expires 1/3/11) plus $1,000 "conquest" rebate, also from Kia. Price including 8% tax & reg. fees is $24,600. What we're wondering about is the corrosion pkg (electronic rust prevention). Salesman said the regular warranty doesn't cover "environmental rust,"from salty roads or acid rain, etc. The pkg also includes lifetime paint warranty. Cost is $685 plus tx. IS THIS REALLY NECESSARY to protect the finish? They make it sound like you are insuring your big investment. We don't want it, but are concerned what may happen to the finish if we don't get it. Please answer ASAP. Have to decide in 2 days! Thanks!
  • I just bought mine at Glendale Kia from Andy. Great experince and great price. Used Amex/zag referral. If you are in Southern California this is the dealership. A++++
  • Almost every additional warranty or service offered in the F&I office is a high mark-up item, and of questionable value...

    It sounds good, because they are trained to make it sound that way, and to question your intelligence if you decline...

    Go out and look at your current vehicle, then decide if you need it.

    regards,
    kyfdx

    Moderator - Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • .
    Thanks for your input, kyfdx. I agree. At first I thought maybe Kia was using inferior paint/metal in their cars that required the extra protection. Now I realize that would compromise the very reputation they're trying to build right now. The corrosion protection pkg. must be a big moneymaker for the dealerships
  • Paid $27,700 + TTL on a Snow White Pearl 2011 Sorento SX with no panoramic sunroof or DVD entertainment system. Extremely happy with our purchase so far and feel like we got a good deal.

    ... Of course, these sorts of numbers are always misleading and folks looking at these discussions should be aware of that. We have a pretty good feeling dealers will give you a good price if you finance because they can toy with the APR rates and skim off the top. Make sure you have your own financing set up when you show up to the dealer. If they can match it or beat it, even better.
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