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Lexus LS 400/LS 430 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • white/tan; 6K miles; we are jawing back and forth but looks like we'll settle in the $51K range....thoughts?
  • It looks like a steal...Hard to believe it is going that low for an ULTRA....
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    If you can confirm the car's pedigree (clean Carfax, service record [if any], an ownership history that makes sense), that sounds like an incredibly good deal on a top-of-the-line model. But my nose is twitching: who sells a less than 1 yr old car with 6K miles that cheaply unless it was a dealer owner's own car-- or it was in an accident.

     

    Curious-- see post #163. He was also looking at an '04 with 6k miles (for $50,000), and it turned out to be the victim of an accident. Deja vu all over again?
  • What is the name of the dealership you dealt with?

     

    I am planning to buy one this weekend.

     

    You can email it to me too

     

    Thanks

    George
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    Lexus of Rockville (Maryland). If you want any other info, see my email address in my profile, send me a message and I will be happy to respond. Your email address is not in your profile so I can't email you!
  • cpagemcpagem Posts: 5
    Thanks for your help

     

    My MSRP is from California, even on the website. I note the price is lower in other markets.
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    #197: "My MSRP is from California, even on the website. I note the price is lower in other markets."

     

    It took me a while, but I finally figured out the difference is that in the East the Custom Luxury Package comes with "polished-finish alloy" wheels, and in the West it comes with "Lexus Chrome" wheels. Boy, $1,700 is a lot of money for a shinier wheel! I would guess that Lexus makes a pretty profit on this off of you folks in California...

     

    To me, it makes it even harder to justify the added value of the Custom package over the Modern package. For the $4,755 difference in California, you get the Laser Cruise Control and a bunch of mostly cosmetic upgrades.
  • cove148cove148 Posts: 117
    MSRP pricing will vary by zone. For example, use the Lexus web site and input zip codes for, LA, Dallas and Miami. Add a grand for the smart key in Dallas since the basic car has this feature and LA doesn't require it.
  • Is $13,700 a good price for a 97 Coach? It has heated seats and traction. seems to be in good shape with the records. Has 85K miles.

     

    Is Nakamichi included with the traction control. Ican't tell if this car has it. Also what is auto leveling? was this in the package or something? How can I tell?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    Most members in this discussion are more familiar with purchasing a new vehicle - you might stop by our Real-World Trade-in Values discussion and post the details about this car (including location!) and see if Terry can tell you whether it's a good deal or not.

     

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  • cpagemcpagem Posts: 5
    Thanks again Gary for the good comments and advice.
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    You're very welcome! So don't keep us in suspense, have you made a buying decision, and if so, what? Are you still looking at the Custom package?
  • kerstenkersten Posts: 12
    I need some advice... I am considering buying a 1992 LS 400 with 235,000 miles on it...Highway miles from LA to bAkersfield for 7 or 8 years...all dealer services, seems tight, no leaks,garaged,no rust or dents, synthetic oil every 3000 to 5000...he wants around $3000, may go less, it needs a service, last major service & timing belt changed 60,000-70,000 miles ago, all power, everything works...kbb trade in value is 3400, 4800pp... any advice, ideas or things to watch for?? Too many miles?? Thanks, Kersten
  • If you are going to buy a car with that many miles ...A lexus like this one seems ideal..

     

    If you need Breaks and a Timing belt and shocks the service will start to creap up to 2,000 but if that is all it needs ...Sounds great....
  • roblimroblim Posts: 6
    common problems:

    Power steering pump leak

    A/C malfunctions

    suspension bushings.

    various emissions parts

    lcd display radio and ac unreadable

    gauges lights burn out

     

    I had a 1991 ls400. sold it at 220,000 miles last year. a very good car but if a part breaks you are looking at a very expensive repair bill. a power steering pump is around 1300. My A/C stopped working at around 160,000. to repair it was bet 1500 and 4000, i didnt bother. if you know an independent mechanic who repairs lexuses you'll save a lot of money. a brake job at the dealership costs around $400, but my local mechanic did it for $200 (same toyota parts). if you plan on doing your servicing at the dealership you will be shocked at how much maintenance can be on a high mileage lexus.
  • I would like to get the opinion of this forum on tire size for the Lexus LS430. More than any other car, this car’s reputation was built on its quiet interior and smooth ride. Yet, at least in California, Lexus is shipping most of the LS430 with 18” tires instead of the standard 17”. I do not have problem with Lexus offering optional tire sizes but to ship the larger rim size, as standard makes no sense given the significant negative impact on ride quality. We test drove a LS430 this weekend and found the ride and interior noise worse than our Toyota Avalon…. not what we expected.
  • What is the opinion on Lexus's Pre-Collision Safety System? According to the salesmen, most people do not purchase this option. He indicated that the system only works if the cruise control in on and is of no use driving around town.
  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
    Dorothy,

      The 18" is likely for performance issues..Remember this is a very fast car..You'll see that the speed limit quickly passes as you drive on the highway..

     

    What tires did the car have? My '05 came with Dunlop SP Sport 5000's which are classified as Ultra High Performance All Season's..Basically this tire is biased towards performance driving. I had a '98 LS with those tires and was not impressed. I personally think the Bridgestone Turanza is a much better tire. The car is on snow tires at the moment so I haven't had a chance to evaluate it yet.

     

    My old '02 LS had some similar performance tire and the ride was noisy and bumpy as you described. Perhaps you can talk the dealer into fitting 17" wheels instead? I'm sure they have plenty of those around.

     

    As for the Pre Collision, I passed on that..I didn't see the point of it as the car already gets the highest crash ratings out there..I've taken a pretty hard impact in my 1992 LS400 without a scratch. These cars are quite solid, so don't feel as if you are compromising your safety should you not choose to buy it.

     

    Hope this helps,

    SV
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    We have a couple of good discussions about tires, including Tires, tires, tires. Since this discussion is about pricing, I'm going to suggest you head to that topic, or to our regular Lexus LS discussion to talk about the features on the LS430.

     

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  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
    A reporter would like to interview someone who recently bought a large sedan such as a Mercedes E-Class, Lexus LS 430, Mercury Crown Victoria or any large Cadillac or Lincoln.

     

    Please send your daytime contact info to jfallon@edmunds.com by Friday, February 11, 2005.
  • sis2sis2 Posts: 6
    Can anyone knowledgeable about this answer please? There are 5 differences in the

    LQ (Custom Lux) and the PT (Modern Lux) pkgs: Dynam Radar, Pre-Collision, headlight washers, pwr door closers, and laminated glass, all on the LQ pkg.

    I'd like to know from a consumer point, what real difference would these things make in a driving experience, mainly the pre-coll and radar, I already assume the others are price- increase excuses.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    Since this discussion centers around pricing & the purchasing experience, your question will get more attention in our regular Lexus LS forum.

     

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  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    IMHO, the Modern gives the most bang for the buck. In the Custom, the pre-collision is a safety feature and doesn't improve the driving experience at all. The radar function only is relevant at all for highway cruising. First question is, how much highway driving do you do? Second, do you trust it more than you trust yourself?

     

    The Ultra package adds benefits mostly for rear seat passengers. If I were being driven by a chauffeur and sitting in the back seat, I would go for it. But on the other hand, if I was looking for a limousine, I wouldn't pick an LS as my car!

     

    That leaves either a base model or a Modern. But why spend this much for a car and not get the features that will be standard in even midrange cars within a few years-- before you're ready to trade in your LS? The Modern gives you the options that really matter and add a fun factor to the driving experience.

     

    But all this is really a value analysis. If value is truly not an issue, the more toys the better-- so go for the Ultra, or the Custom, or the Modern, or the base model, whichever you can afford.
  • aggie76aggie76 Posts: 265
    I will add my 2 cents to the dilemma, bought an 04 with Custom after debating the Modern for several months. Have ended up appreciating the difference for the self-closing doors, headlight washers personally. Kids had left doors open twice with my old GS that killed battery, now I don't worry. Dirt & grime off roads come right off with the washers, very handy with the melting snow and rain up here in the MidWest.

     

    I've got the laser cruise and do a fair amount of interstate toll road to O'Hare and its great on the open road. I shut it down when in Chicago traffic, too much on & off throttle due to the dangerous cutting in of traffic.

     

    I got a good deal on my car so the difference was much less than MSRP on the option package making it worth my while to upgrade. Fully agree with you about Ultra - couldn't see spending the extra just so kids could play, even though I have heard good things about the suspension.
  • famwaldfamwald Posts: 114
    We bought a new '05 LS430 with the Modern Package because heated seats is something I have lived with for 16 years and still want in a car. DVD Navi wasn't necessary for finding my way to work, Target, and grocery store, nor are the expen$ive updates for it. The Modern Pkge is "enough" for us. This is still a nicer car than the '98 Avalon we had. :-D

     

    OT as far as which package to buy: Considering the current thread of discussion on the basic Lexus LS forum, I'm glad I dug my heels in, got a car with 17" tires, and avoided the 18" like my research told me to.
  • Hi all. first i thank all the posters. This board is very helpful to me. I hope to lease a lexus ls 430 in the end of may and will do so if i can find a good dealer somewhere who will price near invoice and get me 17 in tires. I gather lexus of rockville is a good place. I am interested in hearing from others who are considering buying in my time frame. maybe we can combine forces and get a good deal.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    No group buy solicitations, please.

     

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  • sorry. didn't know. I have since heard that dealers are very tough on deciding what is normal wear and tear at the end of a lease of a high end vehicle. makes me a bit scared to lease a ls 430.
  • yickwoyickwo Posts: 54
    Just purchased a '05 LS430, Modern Lux. Pkg., smart key, preferred accessory (mats, nets and locks etc.) and 18" wheels. MSRP 62,734 - paid $55,422 plus TTL. Very good experience with Lexus of Cerritos. This is a fantastic car!! I can see why people are having problems with the 18" tires. However, coming from a German car, the 18" tires do not bother me all that much. It would be nice to have 17" "stock" with decent rubber to find out what a true luxury ride is all about.
  • Unfortunately I'm in an area (East) with only one dealer. They might knock off 3K on a modern. I would definitely buy at that price. I've looked at different cars from Acura RL to Avalon and the 430 meets most of my needs. I would like that dynamic cruise though. Haven't driven the 18 inchers.

    Around here the dealer wants $41.9K for an 2001 Modern Lux if you can believe that. The only new LS430s sold here with 17" wheels are the base models.
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