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Mazda RX-8 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • mschutzmschutz Posts: 1
    my dealer has the 8 going for 31,100 for the 6 speed with everything but the navig package. plus tags title and taxes. Is this good?? what is the tire package??
  • rxgreatrxgreat Posts: 23
    if you can get it fully loaded except nav for 31,100 thats a good price. im not sure that includes the appearance package or rear spoiler though.
  • What you describe (price) sounds like the grand touring package right at MSRP. Has leather, premium stereo (Bose) and moonroof. Look on the Mazda website, and price one out and you'll see that price (MSRP) matches what I described. The nav costs an extra $2000.

    So you got to decide if that is good since you are paying MSRP.

    That's what I got mine for MSRP, $33100 (including NAV), and I condsidered that good. The appearance package and spoiler is extra, which I added as port options.
     
    The tire package, includes mounted spare tire (emergency size spare, not full). It is mounted in the upper portion in the back of the trunk.
  • The appearance package and spoiler are extra cost options, and is not included in the Sport, Touring or Grand Touring base packages.
  • rxgreatrxgreat Posts: 23
    as i said in a previous post i was going to put a deposit on an rx-8 with grand touring pkg, rear spoiler, appearance pkg and spare tire pkg. i told the salesman i would need a loaner since i sold my car on ebay. he said no problem. i went in to close the deal and the subject of the loaner came up again. he said he'd have to ask his boss. he came back and said no loaner someone wrecked one and wont pay for the damages. i said no deal then and left. the next day he calls back and says it was a misunderstanding and when a loaner comes in i can have it but he didnt know when. well a couple of weeks went by and the car i wanted had not been sold yet. i called and asked again about a loaner and they kept saying none have come in yet. i put a deposit anyway on it last week but havent signed the PO yet. still no loaner. i realize they dont care now because i have put a deposit down and they have said it's non-refundable in the event i want to back out. any legal wizzes out there? what are my options? also the same car i want has come in without the appearance pkg or spoiler. he said they can put those on at a later date but it would be aftermarket. not even installed by the dealership. would it be just as good as factory? the car i want is not due in until early september.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    If the agreement that led you to place the down payment included the loaner until your car is available, then the dealer has breached the agreement by not providing the loaner. If the dealer breached the agreement, the dealer has to give the down payment back. This argument may be compromised if you have the other details in writing but not the loaner.

    In some states, dealers have to return downpayments within a certain number of days no matter what the contract says. In Illinois it is 3 days. You should check at your local library for your state's law.

    I would not take the dealer add ons if I ordered the components from the factory.
  • rxgreatrxgreat Posts: 23
    thanks. all agreements have been verbal. the salesman says when one comes in he'll let me know. the sales manager says he has to talk to the owner. i never signed any agreement or purchase order. but i did let them put the $1000 deposit on my credit card. they seem to think they can still not refund my money i guess because they told me that up front. i called tonight and asked if i could rent a car from rent-a-wreck for $100 a week and have them reimburse me. again the answer was no. "then we'd have to do that for everybody". this dealership will give no quarter. i dont think i was clear in my previous post about the cars in question. the one i ordered is not due until early september. there is another car on the lot exactly the same except it has no rear spoiler or appearance pkg. it would solve the problem of having to wait but the options i want would be done by a body shop. i dont like that idea. and of course the sales manager is saying he does great work, etc.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    If the entire agreement is oral, then insist the dealer either come through with the loaner or refund the $1,000.00. The dealer has just as much an obligation to do what it promised as you do to pay the down payment.

    If you want to play hardball, you can get your credit card company involved as well.

    I agree with your concern about the dealer added options. But this is without me knowing the dealer or the kind of work the dealer does. It is a possible way out of the dispute.
  • rxgreatrxgreat Posts: 23
    i know thats why i told her i didnt think they were included for that price. the dealer told her it includes everything but nav which isnt true. there are other options she can get. i didnt want her to think she was getting a fully loaded car for $31100 because its not fully loaded.

    The appearance package and spoiler are extra cost options, and is not included in the Sport, Touring or Grand Touring base packages.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,101
    Well....the relationship the dealer has with you has not started out well. I would let the dealer know this in a "matter-of-fact" way....tell them you are disappointed in them and expected more.

    That said, tell them what you will do if things can't be resolved (either your down payment refunded or they deliver on the loaner). It's difficult for me to believe they don't have a loaner car. They have numerous cars on their lot and I'm certain their management team has access to cars that they use for personal transportation.

    Whether someone else wrecked a loaner is irrelevent to your deal and has absolutely nothing to do with you. Why the salesman told you this and expected that you would even care is a little "slimy" sounding to me.

    Don't talk anymore to the salesman or the sales manager. Only communicate with the General Manager or owner (if possible). Set up an appointment to meet face-to-face with either of them. Lay out the facts of the deal you had with the sales person.

    If they still don't budge, repeat your statement that you're disappointed in the dealership and probably should terminate it if they don't stick to their "verbal" agreement.

    Past that, you can go to small claims court and the Better Business Bureau to retrieve your deposit.

    Regarding aftermarket accessories....I'd stay away from them. I get the sneaky suspicion that this dealer would do a lot of finger pointing if something goes wrong with any of the after market parts.

    Mazda makes it a point over and over again in the owners manual that they don't recommend any after market parts for the car.

    At $31,100, you are looking at a totally loaded RX8 from the factory with no NAV. Any of the other options you are looking at are port installed options.

    Again, don't this had gone past the sales person and the sales manager. Deal with, at least, the General Manager.
  • rxgreatrxgreat Posts: 23
    good advice. im sure they have a loaner to give me too. but they dont want to give me a loaner to use for 4 weeks. a couple days maybe but not 4 weeks. i really want this car. i like everything about it. if i go to another dealer i'll have to start the whole process again. but i dont want to be without out a car for 4 weeks either. i need to talk to the GM or owner. these other characters are blowing smoke.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,101
    I know it's a pain, but really, I wouldn't want to have any more discussions with your current dealer. I'd go to another dealer. Tell them of your plight. I doubt it, but see if they can get your deposit back from the previous dealer.

    In all honesty, I doubt any dealer will give you a loaner for 4 weeks and the sales person committing to that as part of the deal was irrisponsible on his/her part. Let the General Manager know of the salesperson's promise. I'm sure someone's butt will get chewed.

    That doesn't help you, however.

    I'm not a lawyer, nor do I claim to have any legal background, but I think there are laws that protects the consumer regarding non-refundable types of deposits (unless it was for some sort of "custom" car...which the RX8 is not).

    Totally understand about your enthusiasm regarding the car, however. It truly is special. That said, the first rule when buying any car is "don't fall in love with it". That only clouds your vision when you're dealing. Plus, it lets the dealer know he has the "upper hand" in negotiations.

    Good luck...let us know how it turns out.
  • maxiusmaxius Posts: 7
    Hi I am thinking about getting RX-8 but it would be my all year round car. I live in NJ so we get snow here in the winter. Anyone knows it the RX-8 is bad in the snow since it is RWD even with the 50/50 weight distribution. I have a 2001 Mustang which really sucks in the snow even with the traction control. Thanks Max
  • rxgreatrxgreat Posts: 23
    i live in NJ too. the rx-8 has summer tires, is pretty light and has very little ground clearance. any snowfall over 6 inches is going to give this car trouble. but i'll take my chances. last winter was brutal and i made it through it with a 1997 eclipse GSX. it had all wheel drive which helped. i had a 1988 MR2 which was the worst ever in snow. if it snows i usually call into work and say i'll be in tomorrow anyway so i wont be driving it much in the snow.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,101
    Mazda did some winter testing in Japan in the snow. Although the results were sketchy, they found it would go in the snow. I think any RWD car would go in the snow with Trac control and Vehicle Stability. How well it does, will be more of a function of the tires.

    I plan on getting some winter tires, however. Last winter, at least in southern OH where I live, was an anomaly. Usually, we get a couple of "dustings" of snow. I think the RX8 would be fine in that situation.

    What's more promising is the fact that it has rained hard around here the past couple of weeks. The RX8 still stuck like glue to the road. Hopefully, that will be a preview of how it will do in snow.
  • maxiusmaxius Posts: 7
    I know what you mean about the summer tires & winter tires. I guess I would just have to get winter tires then if I though it. I know what you mean by 6in of snow not too many sports car FWD or not are not going to do good in snow. I was also thinking about getting 350Z, G35, Audi TT, Accord coupe V6, Celica. Winter time seems to be my biggest problem. Problem is that my wife wants me to get a FWD car which isn't as fun as the RWD. The RX-8 seem to have everything I need in once car for the price. Funny that works out with cars since I had a 1995 Neon with nothing in it which I think drove better in the snow than my 2000 Neon which is loaded with ABS & traction control. Max
  • rxgreatrxgreat Posts: 23
    well i finally pick up my loaner today. i called the GM thursday and he said he'd get me a loaner. i wore them down. the salesman said the car im getting is known as the barney mobile so i guess its a purple thing but at least i have wheels until my car comes in. the loaner is a protege.
  • odyceeodycee Posts: 33
    I just went to a dealer and test drove the RX8. The salesperson was a young man so he told me go ahead take it to my limit. On 5 gear, I was doing 95MPH but felt like 85MPH- so fast and smooth.

    After the fun drive, the sales manager who can make the decision on pricing offered me $500 of the MSRP. I didn't want the color so he ordered me a silver with Touring and Appearance package priced #30,350 (MSRP $30850)+ tax.

    The larger than expected trunk space surprised me a bit. The Bose sounds really great. The seat is really comfortable. The passenger side legroom is narrower due to the heat shield under the car for the cat converter.

    Anyone getting better price than $450 under MSRP?
  • rxgreatrxgreat Posts: 23
    at this point anything under MSRP is doing something.
  • I agree with rxgreat. Anything under MSRP is a great deal.

    You were wise to choose the appearance package. It's make a big difference in giving it that "meaner" look. You definately won't be disappointed when you receive you car.
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