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Honda S2000

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  • stl540stl540 Posts: 67
    Thanks for the info. Greatly appreciated!
  • ginotginot Posts: 6
    Since Honda builds only 6000 copies a year--half of which come stateside--it has a touch of cachet already and looks to be a future classic. Not just because it's rather rare, but because of its performance. We just bought one and can't stop smiling.

    As a former club racer, I think the S2K is very much a keeper. My wife, Italian, drove our recently departed, much-modified '63 Alfa show car con brio as she puts it. I can't get her out of the Honda...

    The S2K is a legend in the making, I believe.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Per a local dealership, S2000's in this area are suddenly a bit hard to find (quotas for the year for several dealerships has been cut) and word is that Honda's cutting production from ~ 7500 units last year to about 5,000 units this year.

    I'm guessing this is due to somewhat sinking premiums for the roadster.

    I'm not sure what it takes for a car to become a legend, so I won't speak to that. But, a few weeks ago I got a chance to drive a friend's "brand new" 2000 S2000 that he purchased used, and the following day I was at a BMW dealership with Her shopping for a potential sedan and took a brand new Z4 3.0 out for a spin - and the four year old S2000 seemed fresher and more fun. Not many cars age as well as the S2000 (which in 2000 was pretty much only missing a glass rear window) and that probably bodes well for its future.

    That said, I'm stunned at the number of S2000 drivers who don't seem to wave, honk, flash or otherwise make eye contact with other S2000s. I'm not sure why. I think it may be due to the incredibly fractured demographic (seemingly half racer types and half mid-life-crisis types) not understanding each other, or maybe the ownership demographic is incredibly insecure or arrogant, or who knows. There is some contact, but a fraction of what I enjoyed in the lowly Prelude, which was much less exclusive and sold much more poorly.
  • ginotginot Posts: 6
    Friends of ours just bought a Z4 from the same dealer that sold us our S2000. John wanted a stick, but his wife 1) only drives slush pumps and 2) she's lusted after the BMW Z3 since it came out. The Z4 obviously looks completely different, but has an automatic, and you know how it goes.

    I drove their '4 and found it acceptable, but I can't live with a torque convertor and the overall sense I got of it was the car feels more like a sports tourer than a thoroughbred. It also carries too many luxury trimmings for my taste. John drove our Honda and wished he could have bought it instead of the Z4. Can't say as I blame him.

    Anyway, we take Tsunami on her first mountain wring-out tomorrow. We're both looking forward to a stint at the wheel. Looks like a great weekend ahead...
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,407
    S2Ks hard to find? They're probably all sitting on the lots of the NY area dealerships. Dealers around here are advertising Brand new '03s in their SCREAMER ADS, they also have '04s in stock.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • ragtop1ragtop1 Posts: 1
    What's new for 2005?

    How much longer will the S2000 last?

    Will Honda replace the S2000 or will they let it evolve?
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Per some snippets on vtec.net, there are no changes for 2005, not even a new color. I can't vouch for the veracity of this information.

    I'm not sure where the S2000 is going, nor what this part of the sports car market is going to look like in a few years. The S is no less of a car than it was a few years ago, but the Elise was bound to steal some of its "purist car" thunder and an ordinary RX-8 can rev to 9k all day long, too.

    I'd imagine the S will stick around unchanged at least through the 2006 model year. By then, we're doing to have some slick domestic roadsters, a redesigned Boxster, presumably a Z4 with whatever BMW's next gen I6 powerplants are, and a pretty strong street presence for everything from an EVO to an Elise. I think of the S2000 as the last hurrah of the naturally aspirated I4. From this point onward, IMO, the story will be low-displacement straight-sixes and various forced induction strategies. I imagine Honda will either get with the program (fundamentally changing the S2000 in the process) or the S will fade into the sales sunset just like the NSX did.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I guess another comment is about how radically different the $30k performance market has changed in the past few years. In 2000, when the S2000 came out, there wasn't much on the market at its price point that wore a "sport" label. There was... uh... a Lexus IS300... an Audi TT if you call that sporty... no, pretty much nothing.

    Today you have the EVO and WRX pair, a very potent SVT Cobra and an entirely new Mustang in the wings, the RX-8 and the 350Z, and the G35 coupe too, a Pontiac GTO, super discounted Corvettes, a bevy of torquey $30k sport sedans, and so on.

    Four years ago, if I had $30k and change in my pocket and wanted performance, I didn't have many places to go. Today, almost everyone has something.
  • wh9wh9 Posts: 32
    I'm looking at a new 04 S2000. I'm wondering if anyone has take their S2000 on a road trip lasting 4-5 hours or more and how you felt about it all?? I've test driven the car a couple of times and really enjoy it, however I do a lot of driving and was wondering about how it performs and how your body feels after a long raod trip. Thanks.
  • ben810ben810 Posts: 3
    I recently got an S2000 and am thinking about getting a DVD receiver for it. I noticed however, that the dash above the receiver might get in the way if the monitor rolls up. Is there anyone that has a DVD monitor installed in their S2000? If so, what model fits?
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I've done a few 4-5 hour trips in an '04 S, as Detroit-Chicago is one of my routines :)

    It works. The car itself handles such trips without issues. The seating is comfortable. I do find my legs getting restless after a few hours, but I'm not sure that's something I'd feel in any other car and it's easily cured by occasional rest stops (to stretch) which I'd do no matter what I was driving. The only other potential issue is engine noise, there's a real drone to 4,000rpm for four or five hours. Again, though, the effect can be mitigated by dropping the top, taking breaks, using the stereo, etc.

    Short answer: I've made many trips in an '04 S and don't feel worse for it.
  • wh9wh9 Posts: 32
    Thanks for the reply. I have another question. How is the paint holding up on the front end where all the bugs and road grit hit the bumper? I currently have an Infiniti G35 sedan and had to have the clear bra installed. Nissan's paint seems to be soft etc. Looking at getting a S2000. I do a lot of road trips due to business from 2-5 hrs at the most. After that I fly. I'm about 6'2". Love the S2000 and how it drives and feels. Wondering how I would like the S2000 versus the G35 sedan and all the leg room I have. Also I'm in the negotiating phase with the dealer to get them off the sticker price and start at invoice. Thanks for any input you can give me.
  • carlikercarliker Posts: 285
    I don't know if your question was intended for sphinx, but I'll go ahead and give my opinion. With any vehicle, I use a product called Astroshield twice a year to keep rocks or grime from ruining the paint job. At this point, the formula red paint job of the '04 S2000 I have has really held up well (and in all areas).

    I don't like using the bras on my vehicles for a few reasons. Some, not all, scratch the finish and leave marks worse than what they are suppose to protect. Also, no matter what the quality of the bra, the sun will slightly change the color of any vehicle so when you take the bra off, you'll have two different colors. You mentioned that you had a clear one. Maybe that looks better since it's clear, but I definitely don't like the black ones. I want to see the front of my car. It's like hiding a beautiful woman's face with a zorro mask.

    As for the S2000 versus what you have now, it really depends on what you need. The S2000 obviously has more power and is much much more fun to drive not to mention it's a convertible. Since you take longer road trips, it really depends on how sensitive you are and how much you can adapt. I'm 5'10, but if I was of your heighth, sitting in a roadster for close to 5 hours could be pretty tiring. However, what driving experience doesn't get tiring after 5 hours? Just take breaks if you drive the S2000 every couple of hours.

    Working your way up from invoice is fine, but I always see people whether in this thread or of another commenting how they got something at invoice or a couple hundred over. What they don't say is the higher interest rate they have to pay, their down payment, trade-in, insurance, other hidden dealer costs, etc. These dealers have know how to make bottom lines look attractive, when in fact, the actual financing could be telling a different story.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    My car currently has about 15k miles on it, and the paint has held up well. Better than other Hondas that I have had. I drive about 1-2 hours freeway traffic (sometimes congested) each day, plus the occasional longer trip.

    I'm also 6'2. I don't really have a problem with legroom. A surprising thing about the S is how much legroom I have. A lot of sedans I've been in don't feel as roomy for my longer legs - I'm sitting upright, higher, whereas the S2000 really does fit me well. I assume it's the fact that the S does not have to give up space for rear seat passengers, so the front seat occupants get the full benefit of leg room.

    A nice thing about the car is that it holds up. You can take a 5 hour trip in it, and it'll do that trip like the Civic next door, no sweat. But it's a two-seat convertible sports car with great looks, HIDs, etc. There aren't many such cars that double as effortless high mileage daily drivers. After 15k miles and not ONE squeak or rattle (amazing) this car feels like it's going to hold up for 100k or more.
  • wh9wh9 Posts: 32
    Thanks for the info sphinx and carliker your info was of great help.
  • topper1topper1 Posts: 2
    Have been looking hard at buying an 04 or 05 S2K. Have not driven a car that really made me smile since buying my 1969 GTO and the smiles are long overdue. All the press I read is excellent on the S2K and have had many honda products in the family all good experiences. I live in Houston, TX and commute about 33 miles one way to my office. I recently saw a comment on the S2K that stated "you don't want to drive it in the rain." I find that hard to believe but with Houston having annual rainfall amounts of 3-4 feet, I wanted to get some feedback. Anybody with experiences to share good or bad? Also would value opinions on S2K as daily driver.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I don't see a problem. Basically, it comes down to the tires. IMO, I find the RE050s that are stock with MY04 to be pretty good rain tires. Do not take my word for it, check some other S2000 forums on the net with a larger audience and ask the question, as I don't have a lot of experience with "good" rain tires so what I'm considering safe may actually be dangerous.

    In rain the tires have some grip and track straight. Because it's expensive and I'm not 100% certain of the tires' rain ability, I do drive more slowly in standing water, that said I have been able to drive 40-50mph on the highway in fairly heavy rain without the car feeling squirrely.

    Snow is a completely separate issue, the stock tires are not great on extremely cold pavement, and they become completely useless with even the slightest dusting of snow. Driving the car in the snow, without alternate tires, is extremely hazardous to your health. Don't do it.

    Daily driver: mine's a daily driver for 15k miles now and zero complaints. The MY04 makes for a better daily driver than previous years, IMO, which kind of makes up for the lowered redline as far as I'm concerned. It's reliable, fun, fairly fuel-efficient and well-equipped like any good daily driver should be. Biggest impediments to daily drivability are,
    - if you're going out with more than one other person, the S has to stay home
    - storage isn't good so it's helpful to have a friend, family member, etc., in case you need to transport stuff
    - sports car suspension means that the car is a lot less fun if your commute has bad roads
    - the car is reliable, but you eat through tires quickly and scheduled service seems a bit more expensive, so expect to pay a "cost of ownership" premium in proportion with the cost of the car: not outrageous but not super cheap either.
  • titantitan Posts: 16
    Here is a question I've posed to myself for a year now. If one has $35K to dispose on a secondary car, what serious options would be considered? My list has always included new S2000, used '02/'03 Boxster, '04 350Z Touring, '03/'04 Z4 w/ SMG. Value and performance on the S2K is certainly hard to beat. Thoughts on these vehicles and opinions on purchase? Thanks.
  • wh9wh9 Posts: 32
    Other than the tire replacement, what else do you find that is a bit more expensive regarding scheduled sservice?
  • radiateradiate Posts: 8
    i was in that position about a year and a half ago. all things considered, i opted for a g 35 coupe 6mt which may serve as a reasonable comparison to the 350z. i found the g35 a bit too much of a touring car. too heavy, not a high enough redline and i missed the top down fun. a month ago, i sold the car and found myself looking again. i considered all of the others that you mentioned. the boxster is looking a bit dated now. additionally, i drove one and found that it was less appealing than i thought it would be. the z4 is too funny looking and carries the stigma of the old z3 which is it is a woman's car. no offense intended. i finally drove a 2004 s2000. i drove it with some apprehension as many of the car magazines knocked it's daily driveability. they said not enough torque and too high strung of an engine. the 2004 improvements went a long way to address those gripes. i ended up getting a suzuka blue one and couldn't be happier. it is, IMHO, the clear winner of the fun to drive cars mentioned in your post.
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