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Honda S2000

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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Did your 2001 S2000 have a transmission replacement or "fix"? I owned a 2002 and waited for the 2002 in part because of the glass reazr window and revised transmission design. Pre-2002's were prone to 1-2 gear grinding.

    I raise this because, if it is available, I would only get the "Honda Cares" official extended warranty. Aftermarket warranties are notoriously poor at covering serious problems without a fight.

    Had I elected to keep my 2002 past the 2.5 years I owned it, I was prepared to pay approximately $1,050 for a 7 year, 75k total mile warranty (I only put about 7k miles a year on it, so the 7/100 wasn't worth the extra $100 +/-). My service manager said that he even had the Honda Cares warranty agree to cover things like clutch replacement, if they occurred early in the warranty period. Not required, but Honda did so under "goodwill". You would never get that from an aftermarket warranty.

    P.S. My 2002 S2000 with 18k miles was perfect and never required any repair, other than a convertible roof latch which broke in the first 30 days. I miss it!
  • I have all service records since new and reviewed the product recall/fixes for this car and don't find that Honda ever recomended any transmission fix for the '01 S2K. 6sp tranny and clutch work great.
    Have to admit the plastic rear window is cheesy for such a nice car.
    Thanks to your advice, I did get a quote on the Honda Care Warranty. The 7yr /70K mi quote was $1400 - higher than you mentioned. Maybe it's because mine is 1 yr older and 2K more miles on the odo. Some of my friends who own Hondas are talking me out of buying it, though. The S2K is a "best buy" used car according to the consumer literature.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,743
    toydriver: Try this for a Hondacare warranty quote.

    http://www.curryhondacare.com/

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  • Thanks.
    Internet savings of $340 c/w dealer. Much more competitive. Did you ever have a claim with this warranty, or know of anyone who did?
    What a fun car!!
    Drove along a windy road in a river valley this afternoon. Sun drenched. Great feeling.
    Had it to 80mph with tach reading 3800. What is the top speed of this car? It is a bit noisy to push it much more - probably will soon.
  • smu1976smu1976 Posts: 110
    Quite frankly in the three plus years I have had my S2000, I have never had a Boxster S come along side me and want to race 0-60? Whats the point? I do like the style of the car though and the air spoiler that pops up on the highway.
    In addition I have never raced about 25 kids with other Honda Civics, Mitsu's Suburu's with fart pipes. I just enjoy the ride, .5 seconds isn't any big deal guys, just drive and enjoy the passage of time. Three years ago, its was pretty rare to see a S2000 on the road, but they are getting pretty popular lately.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    From Edmunds review of the 2002 S2000:

    "For 2002, Honda has added a glass rear window with a defroster, an improved transmission and a more powerful audio system. There are also a handful of minor changes that only '00-'01 S2000 owners would notice, such as chrome-bezel taillights, an upgraded center console, door panel net storage pockets, a new shifter knob, an aluminum-accented foot rest and silver trim interior accents."

    I'm not sure if there was any official "fix" for the 200/2001's, but my dealer replaced 2-3 pre-2002 transmissions with the newer version after they started experiencing problems. The Honda warranty covered the replacement.

    Alos, 3,800 rpm at 80 mph?? Seemed to me that my 2002 would be running at 4,000+ rpm at 80 mph.
  • smu1976smu1976 Posts: 110
    In 2000 Honda announced only 5000 S2000's to be produced (or distributed in the U.S, I can't recall) in celebration of their 50th anniversary.
    In 2001 when I purhased mine, units went up to around 7-8K. Does anyone know how many S2000's are being produced or imported per annum currently? Still nice; NOT to see ads in every car magazine and T.V. spot, verus Nissan, Mazda, Porsche and Corvette, just think how many of these cars would sell if Honda wanted to up production at 33K. I know that S2000 and Acura NSX share the same factory and production capabilities are limited for both cars.

    People still ask me,"What kind of car is that?" When I tell them, they say, I never knew Honda made such a thing, but not quite frequently as back in 2001.
  • Honda is so secretive it's hard to find much information. The latest information I read about S2000 production (and I can't recall where I read it) was that around 14,000 S2000's were produced each year and 9,000 to 10,000 of those were imported into the U.S.

    You are right about the car being well below radar. Whenever I mention to someone that I am scheming to obtain an S2000, they don't know what I am talking about.

    OhioCarGuy
  • I've always loved the S2000, so when I was in Vegas over the weekend I rented one for the day. It was a Spa yellow 2003. This car was everything I imagined and more! What a blast!

    My wife and I took it to Hoover dam, and then took a great road north of Lake Mead to the Valley of Fire state park. With fresh blacktop, plenty of twisties and very little traffic, I couldn't get the grin off my face the entire trip.

    The VTEC kick at 6,000 rpm reminds me of my CBR sportbike. The car really is a sportbike on four wheels. When I went to the gas station, it took me a good 5 minutes to find the fuel door release! That little black button in the door jamb wasn't easy to find.

    Even though the rental cost was more than twice what I would have paid for a convertible Mustang, it was still a bargain to me. I would really like to own one, but with two kids under the age of 5, it's just not practical at this time. Sure was a fun 24 hours though!
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    When I bought my 2002 Spa Yellow S2000 (as a third car), my daughters were 3 & 6. When I traded it earlier this year, they were 6 & 9. Not a S2000 goes by us (especially a yellow one)that they don't both let out a load moan about how much fun ours WAS! I'd occassionally take them both back and forth from school on quiet side streets and by the time my oldest was 8, I could take her on short errands or to soccer games. Never broke about 25-30 mph, but she could care less about the speed.

    Unfortunately, the S2000 wasn't practical as MY only car and I could justify keeping it when it came time to replace my sedan. But, depending upon where you live, it's not completely incompatible with kids. Unfortunately, the the 4 passenger convertible that everyone can (temporarily) fit in - the 911 Turbo - costs about $100,000 more than the S2000 and it still doesn't elicit the same admiration from my 6 year old.

    At least you got to try one out for a day. I think when I look back in 10 years, I might have wished I somehow kept mine. There isn't much comparable in the fun to drive department, certainly not at the price or with Honda reliability.
  • My kids are 2 & 5, so I really can't justify spending that much money right now on a "fun car". Right now I'm lucky if I get out on my sportbike once or twice a month. Looks like I'm stuck with the Accord and minivan for a while!

    Sure was fun driving the S though. I agree that nothing comes close to that much fun at that price. The lack of torque that everyone talks about wasn't an issue for me. I'm used to that with my motorcycle, and I actually prefer a high redline in exchange for less torque. I guess that's just what I'm used to.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I agree - it's a lot more fun driving the S2000 up to 9,000 rpm with it's crisp 6-speed than having a high torque, low rpm "musclecar" IMO. Take care of your kids, they are an "appreciating" asset. As good as the S2000 is, it's a depreciating asset. Just be careful on your sportbike for their sake.
  • Without a doubt, the kids come first. The S2000 (or something even better) will still be there in the future when it makes more sense for me. For the time being I can stroll the neighborhood streets with the kids in their grandpa's convertible vette.

    I hear you about being careful on the bike. Twelve years ago a drunk 18 year old (with no insurance, of course) pulled out in front of me. Spent 3 days on a morphine drip in the hospital with 4 broken bones. My helmet had stress cracks in it, and I'm sure it saved my life.

    Now that I have kids, I'm even more careful than ever. I pretty much stick to country roads outside the city, never ride at night, and always wear my helmet, kevlar reinforced jacket, gloves and boots, even when it's 80+ degrees. I try to minimize the risk as much as possible.
  • Per October 1 Honda press release, YTD S2K sales through September 2004 are 5,835 vs. 6,297 through September 2003, a decline of 7.7%.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    As I recall, 2004 production volume was reduced significantly. S2000 demand has been dropping for a few years now. At the end of the day, Honda's amazing accomplishment is the fact that they can sell minivans at MSRP far more easily than they can sell posh, sexy convertible sports cars.
  • I agree with your sports car vs. minivan comment, Sphinx. I'm new to this forum so forgive me if this ground has been covered before, but I find it difficult to understand Honda's near-complete lack of advertising support for the S2k. I can only conclude that they developed it for the engineering exercise and are not interested in selling too many.

    BTW, I came to a near stop in my neighborhood this morning when I spotted a Suzuka blue '04 in someone's driveway. The sun was shining, the car was clean, and it looked beautiful even with the top up. I was tempted to pull into the driveway and ogle the darn thing.

    OhioCarGuy
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    A decent national advertising campaign could easily run $10-$20+ million a year. That would work out to $2,000-$4,000 per S2000 sold. Honda can afford to advertise the heck out of the Odyssey and Accord, both because of the volume of those cars sold and because, in spite of being good vehicles, they have about 10% of the ground up engineering R&D expense of the S2000. Honda also NEEDS to advertise the heck out of minivans and sedans, because again, notwithstanding their quality, they simply aren't that much different than the myriad of competitive offerings from Toyota, Nissan and the rest of the manufacturers and they need to use advertising to help distinguish themselves. If you decide you want a high performance roadster, you have about 3 choices other than the S2000, the closest of which (Boxster S) sells for $60k+.

    I think Honda has made the right decision on the S2000 - put the money in the engineering, forget the advertising and sell the car to those with enough interest (and intelligence) to know the difference between advertising "image" and engineering substance. That's a limited market, but works well for a limited production car.

    P.S. When's the last time you saw an ad for a 360 Modena, a BMW M3/M5 or any AMG product?
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Auto manufacturers generally do not shoulder the cost of advertising for sports cars. We, the buyers, do, when we buy magazines like Car & Driver for a few bucks each, that give us two to three pages of information on the car. The S2000 won't show up in many ads, but Honda will (like AMG, Ferrari) go out of their way to make it available to as many "enthusiast" magazines, gratis as possible.
  • padpad Posts: 7
    Anyone know what kind of RPM'S's the 04 turns at 65mph ? Also what kind of mileage does one get on the hwy at 65 mph ? I would not be buying the car for gas mileage, but I'm concerned about hwy mileage and how is the road noise at 65mph. Also if anyone knows the same about the 03's your reply is appreciated. Thanks.
  • Big change to 04 (2.2 different gearing) do you mean 05 ?
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I had a 2002 S2000 that would turn approximately 3,600 rpm's at 65mph in 6th gear. I would average a solid 30-32 mpg on the highway at 70+ mph. In mixed driving, I'd average 22-23. By comparison, my 2004 Acura TL 6-speed gets 16 mpg in mixed driving and 28-29 on the highwy in spite of higher EPA ratings than the S2000.

    The 2003 and 2002 are identical gearing, the 2004/5 are different.
  • Thanks for the info on your '02, Habitat. Can someone with an '04 tell us the rpm at 65 mph?

    OhioCarGuy
  • toydrivertoydriver Posts: 227
    Hi all,
    Recently purchased a '01 S2000 with 20K mi and have enjoyed the roadster. Have been experiencing the "VTECH" ! What a rush!!

    What I'm interested in knowing is what is the approximate red line speed matched to each gear.

    (No, I'm not driving it at red line - just toying with it.)

    I understand that these numbers may be lower for the '02-'04 models.
  • just had to take a minute to reply to your post. i have an 04 Suzuka Blue S2000 with 5k on it and i wonder how i ever lived this long without it. i've owned 2 corvettes and loved them - but nothing compares to driving my s2k with top down!
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Engine turns about 4,000rpm around 76-77mph. I don't know the exact number off hand but I'd imagine it's around 3400-3500 at 65mph in 6th gear. I'll keep an eye on it next time I go out.

    I do not get particularly amazing fuel economy on the S - low to mid 20s in mixed driving.
  • flas2kflas2k Posts: 2
    My 04 turns 3400 RPM at 65. The noise is no problem at 65. I've made several three hour trips at 75 most of the way. Extended conversation was a little difficult, but the road/wind noise wasn't overly bothersome. That's top down, I couldn't tell you about top up noise. If your worried about it, go drive one. I found a dealer with a used 04, they let my wife and I take it out for thirty minutes. Noise was a big concern of mine, 'till I drove one. I bought my 04 Rio Yellow the next day.
  • Thanks for the responses sphinx and flas2k. My wife and I have been admiring the S2k for years, and are getting closer and closer to pulling the trigger. I stopped by the dealer yesterday and discovered they had just received two 2005's: Suzuka blue and Silverstone metallic. The two colors we like best! So I took my better half there today and took a long look. Now I'm telling myself over and over that this is not the time of year to buy an S2000 if you live in northeastern Ohio.....

    OhioCarGuy
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,743
    If you look for a used S2000, this is an ideal time to buy one.. Winter is always the best time to buy a used convertible.. It won't help you much with the new ones, though...

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  • toydrivertoydriver Posts: 227
    They may be a little more willing to "deal" on a roadster this time of year in the Midwest. I bought an '01 4 weeks ago in MN. (My second car which I use for good weather fun). Here the used S2K prices have been dropping since early September. With most cars, the used market predicts how willing new car dealers are to dicker.
    I've managed a few top-down drives so far this fall that were awesome.
    Best of luck with your decision.
  • Is the timing in the S2000 belt driven and if so when does it need to be replaced and estimated cost?
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