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Honda S2000



  • My kids are 2 & 5, so I really can't justify spending that much money right now on a "fun car". Right now I'm lucky if I get out on my sportbike once or twice a month. Looks like I'm stuck with the Accord and minivan for a while!

    Sure was fun driving the S though. I agree that nothing comes close to that much fun at that price. The lack of torque that everyone talks about wasn't an issue for me. I'm used to that with my motorcycle, and I actually prefer a high redline in exchange for less torque. I guess that's just what I'm used to.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I agree - it's a lot more fun driving the S2000 up to 9,000 rpm with it's crisp 6-speed than having a high torque, low rpm "musclecar" IMO. Take care of your kids, they are an "appreciating" asset. As good as the S2000 is, it's a depreciating asset. Just be careful on your sportbike for their sake.
  • Without a doubt, the kids come first. The S2000 (or something even better) will still be there in the future when it makes more sense for me. For the time being I can stroll the neighborhood streets with the kids in their grandpa's convertible vette.

    I hear you about being careful on the bike. Twelve years ago a drunk 18 year old (with no insurance, of course) pulled out in front of me. Spent 3 days on a morphine drip in the hospital with 4 broken bones. My helmet had stress cracks in it, and I'm sure it saved my life.

    Now that I have kids, I'm even more careful than ever. I pretty much stick to country roads outside the city, never ride at night, and always wear my helmet, kevlar reinforced jacket, gloves and boots, even when it's 80+ degrees. I try to minimize the risk as much as possible.
  • Per October 1 Honda press release, YTD S2K sales through September 2004 are 5,835 vs. 6,297 through September 2003, a decline of 7.7%.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    As I recall, 2004 production volume was reduced significantly. S2000 demand has been dropping for a few years now. At the end of the day, Honda's amazing accomplishment is the fact that they can sell minivans at MSRP far more easily than they can sell posh, sexy convertible sports cars.
  • I agree with your sports car vs. minivan comment, Sphinx. I'm new to this forum so forgive me if this ground has been covered before, but I find it difficult to understand Honda's near-complete lack of advertising support for the S2k. I can only conclude that they developed it for the engineering exercise and are not interested in selling too many.

    BTW, I came to a near stop in my neighborhood this morning when I spotted a Suzuka blue '04 in someone's driveway. The sun was shining, the car was clean, and it looked beautiful even with the top up. I was tempted to pull into the driveway and ogle the darn thing.

  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    A decent national advertising campaign could easily run $10-$20+ million a year. That would work out to $2,000-$4,000 per S2000 sold. Honda can afford to advertise the heck out of the Odyssey and Accord, both because of the volume of those cars sold and because, in spite of being good vehicles, they have about 10% of the ground up engineering R&D expense of the S2000. Honda also NEEDS to advertise the heck out of minivans and sedans, because again, notwithstanding their quality, they simply aren't that much different than the myriad of competitive offerings from Toyota, Nissan and the rest of the manufacturers and they need to use advertising to help distinguish themselves. If you decide you want a high performance roadster, you have about 3 choices other than the S2000, the closest of which (Boxster S) sells for $60k+.

    I think Honda has made the right decision on the S2000 - put the money in the engineering, forget the advertising and sell the car to those with enough interest (and intelligence) to know the difference between advertising "image" and engineering substance. That's a limited market, but works well for a limited production car.

    P.S. When's the last time you saw an ad for a 360 Modena, a BMW M3/M5 or any AMG product?
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Auto manufacturers generally do not shoulder the cost of advertising for sports cars. We, the buyers, do, when we buy magazines like Car & Driver for a few bucks each, that give us two to three pages of information on the car. The S2000 won't show up in many ads, but Honda will (like AMG, Ferrari) go out of their way to make it available to as many "enthusiast" magazines, gratis as possible.
  • padpad Posts: 7
    Anyone know what kind of RPM'S's the 04 turns at 65mph ? Also what kind of mileage does one get on the hwy at 65 mph ? I would not be buying the car for gas mileage, but I'm concerned about hwy mileage and how is the road noise at 65mph. Also if anyone knows the same about the 03's your reply is appreciated. Thanks.
  • Big change to 04 (2.2 different gearing) do you mean 05 ?
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I had a 2002 S2000 that would turn approximately 3,600 rpm's at 65mph in 6th gear. I would average a solid 30-32 mpg on the highway at 70+ mph. In mixed driving, I'd average 22-23. By comparison, my 2004 Acura TL 6-speed gets 16 mpg in mixed driving and 28-29 on the highwy in spite of higher EPA ratings than the S2000.

    The 2003 and 2002 are identical gearing, the 2004/5 are different.
  • Thanks for the info on your '02, Habitat. Can someone with an '04 tell us the rpm at 65 mph?

  • toydrivertoydriver Posts: 227
    Hi all,
    Recently purchased a '01 S2000 with 20K mi and have enjoyed the roadster. Have been experiencing the "VTECH" ! What a rush!!

    What I'm interested in knowing is what is the approximate red line speed matched to each gear.

    (No, I'm not driving it at red line - just toying with it.)

    I understand that these numbers may be lower for the '02-'04 models.
  • just had to take a minute to reply to your post. i have an 04 Suzuka Blue S2000 with 5k on it and i wonder how i ever lived this long without it. i've owned 2 corvettes and loved them - but nothing compares to driving my s2k with top down!
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Engine turns about 4,000rpm around 76-77mph. I don't know the exact number off hand but I'd imagine it's around 3400-3500 at 65mph in 6th gear. I'll keep an eye on it next time I go out.

    I do not get particularly amazing fuel economy on the S - low to mid 20s in mixed driving.
  • flas2kflas2k Posts: 2
    My 04 turns 3400 RPM at 65. The noise is no problem at 65. I've made several three hour trips at 75 most of the way. Extended conversation was a little difficult, but the road/wind noise wasn't overly bothersome. That's top down, I couldn't tell you about top up noise. If your worried about it, go drive one. I found a dealer with a used 04, they let my wife and I take it out for thirty minutes. Noise was a big concern of mine, 'till I drove one. I bought my 04 Rio Yellow the next day.
  • Thanks for the responses sphinx and flas2k. My wife and I have been admiring the S2k for years, and are getting closer and closer to pulling the trigger. I stopped by the dealer yesterday and discovered they had just received two 2005's: Suzuka blue and Silverstone metallic. The two colors we like best! So I took my better half there today and took a long look. Now I'm telling myself over and over that this is not the time of year to buy an S2000 if you live in northeastern Ohio.....

  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,898
    If you look for a used S2000, this is an ideal time to buy one.. Winter is always the best time to buy a used convertible.. It won't help you much with the new ones, though...

    Moderator - Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • toydrivertoydriver Posts: 227
    They may be a little more willing to "deal" on a roadster this time of year in the Midwest. I bought an '01 4 weeks ago in MN. (My second car which I use for good weather fun). Here the used S2K prices have been dropping since early September. With most cars, the used market predicts how willing new car dealers are to dicker.
    I've managed a few top-down drives so far this fall that were awesome.
    Best of luck with your decision.
  • Is the timing in the S2000 belt driven and if so when does it need to be replaced and estimated cost?
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