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Ford Mustang (2005 and Newer)

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  • Job 1 is scheduled for the 7th of September. Expect retail deliveries 4-6 weeks later
  • Supporting evidence: Everyone in our auto club who bought a Mazda 6 or 3, and several others who are still driving their Probes claim to have gotten nearly flawless lst year cars. I guess they are all telling lies for the heck of it. Or maybe they are from Flat Rock and do not want to denigrate their home town. You have no tolerance of others statements or opinions, and I am sure that your wife sold the family encylopedia because you know everything. {:
  • Good research Baggs. I sincerely hope they get the quality right the first time.

    A couple of years ago, I was fairly certain my next car would be foreign. But with the introduction of the GTO and impending launch of the '05 Mustang, I'm 99.9% sure that I will buy American. It's a good feeling to know that our country's products are going to be competitive in the market place.

    Snaker, I love hearing people's opinions, but I'm not so keen on assumptions. Many times you have stated opinions as though they are facts.

    As far as the family encyclopedia goes, I'm one of the authors, so I get a free set every year...
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    "The first GTO I ever drove was built on the Tempest platform, that was a "compact" at the time.."

    No, the 1964 GTO is on the A body, the first mid size cars from GM. Nova and Corviar were compacts at that time.

    "GTO looks too much like other Pontiacs". Go get an auto history book and look at pictures of the 1960's Pontiac line up. The GTO had the exact same body as the Tempest/LeMans, with scoops and different taillights. It's as if people think all the 1960's cars sold were only Muscle Cars!
  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    I hope that if you get a 2005 you are right and it will be a perfect car, but those of us who have gone through the first year assembly problems will probably wait till at least year two. You are probably right, but once (or twice in my case) bitten people will have an emotional time entering an order. Not saying we are right, but sometimes its hard for your mind to overcome your emotional side.
  • I'd say that history doesn't side with snake. Ford has a history of having problems with the first model year of new vehicles.

    ie: Mazda 6, Focus, new retro Tbird, Escape/Tribute, 99 Mercury Cougar, Contour/Mystique, etc.

    It should be noted that the Cougar/Contour/Mystique and Mazda 6 were all built in the Flat Rock plant. Flat Rock isn't exactly known for building high quality products.
  • Baggs,
    Just started yesterday, the Auto and Boat show at the Farm Show Complex in Harrisburg. I am sure you are familiar with it. On the radio ads they highlight the features and do mention in the ad they have the 05 Mustang on display. Being from Pitt you know HBg is a smaller town, so yes the new Mustang is even appearing at shows in small towns. I have heard comments from a few people already who have given their thoughts they like this car. even though most of them never had one before. I have not gone to the show and am not an enthusiast like the folks on here but yes it has had good reviews. I just like the cars and think I will trade mine for the new one anyway. You should drive up and see it in advance if you don't want to wait a few more weeks until your show starts. I actually thought you should have a show first being a bigger city and all, but again I don't know that much about cars.
  • czkf1czkf1 Posts: 17
    Does anyone know if the 2004 GTO uses "drive by wire" (DBW) technology, yet? I am sure GM will move to it someday.

    I just noticed that the new 2005 Mustang will be using DBW, yuck.

    Audi has been using DBW for several years now. Their throttle has a nasty habit of waiting 1-2 seconds, before actually applying the throttle, but only sometimes, usually, when the delay will cause driver errors.

    I hope GM & Ford makes the DBW response quicker and predictable. The Audi system is terrible, especially on the Tiptronic (Automatic cars).

      Don
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    you sure your not actually talking about the behavior of the CVT tranny in the Audi's causing the delay. I've driven some Audi's and the CVT has a 1-2 second delay when you put the hammer down.
  • czkf1czkf1 Posts: 17
    Audi DBW, in 2001-2003 tiptronic, this has been noticed in the 2003 S6 V8 Tiptronic, 2003 Pasand V8, 2000-2002 S4, 2003 S4 V8.

    Do search on the web and you will see. The question is Ford going to make the same mistake as Audi/VW? Even Autoweek mentioned, this recently on the Pasand.

       Don
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,515
    "Audi has been using DBW for several years now. Their throttle has a nasty habit of waiting 1-2 seconds, before actually applying the throttle, but only sometimes, usually, when the delay will cause driver errors."

    My current car ('03 Lincoln LS V8 Sport) has DBW. So far, it has been 'invisible'. Meaning: No hesitation, delay, or other inconsistencies.

    - Ray
    Introducing the back of the throttle pedal to the carpet regularly . . .
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Thanks newbuyer. Knowing that it's in Harrisburg gives me much hope!

    As a side note, our boat show and auto show are separate animals. In fact, the show season just started up this week with the boat show. Then we'll have a custom car show, the auto show, and finally the home show. I think an RV show is thrown in there somewhere too.

    My wife hates this time of year. ;)
  • Other than heresay, has anyone actually seen info from Ford that states it will be possible to order a GT without the stupid trunk mounted wing? WHY do car makers insist on putting these things on our cars (other than for extra profit)?
  • Several sites have info that the silly wing will be a delete option. I do not think the host likes it if I state which sites have this info. Look around and check to see about the delete option. I think it is a fact, but time will tell.
  • Motor Trend, Car & Driver, and Hot Rod have all reported that there will be a delete option for the rear wing.
  • dae3dae3 Posts: 55
    One of the pictures on MSN's auto website shows a 2005 Mustang without a spoiler. I would say that should be a pretty definitive answer.
  • But was it a picture of a GT, or the six cylinder car? All of the photos I've seen of the base car lack the rear wing, and all of the GT pics I've seen have the wing. Personally, I prefer the front and rear treatments on the base car, and I like the 16" alloys better than the GT wheels. If I could get a base car with a V8, I'd be a happy guy, but of course Ford won't build it that way.
  • A V-8, 5sp, air and decent sound system. That's all I'd need.
  • If I could get a V8, I'd be willing to skip the sound system ;-) I seriously miss the days when you could order a base car with the biggest motor, and skip all the frills and doodads. A/C is a must here in Houston, but I'd be happy to forgo all the other junk (Mach audio, power accessories, sunroof, body kit add-ons, etc.) in the name of simplicity, weight & money savings, and clean lines. Kind of like the early 90s LX notchback with a 5.0 - a real Q ship.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,688
    Ok folks - you can no longer say 5 speed when referring to a manual transmission in the mustang. Both the automatic and manual are 5 speeds. There are also 6 speed autos (and at least one 7 speed).
  • I get your point, but I hope that you are wrong about the 05 Stang. Ford really needs to get this car right, and I am encouraged by the fact that Ford had the good taste to leave all of the fake scoops off the car, and to my knowledge the silly wing will be a delete option. Also, the standard wheels on the GT will be l7 inch with 55 series Pirelli tires, making this a fairly good travel car. I do not like rubberband tires as they only make the car ride like it has square wheels. So far all the info points to Ford really trying to put out a good car on job l. I hope. (:
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    Well it may be a delete option when you special order the car, but most Fords are pre-built into a number of option packages and you get the best deal if you take whats on the lot. How many GTs, that are not special customer orders, do you think will be built without a spoiler? I hope it's one of Ford's standard spec levels, but I'd bet the cars on the lots will all have them.
  • Spoilers are a delete option on the 2004 Mustang GT, but I have never seen one without one. The under 25 set likes spoilers and that's how they ship them.
  • I rarely can find a car on a lot equipped the way I want it, so if I have to order a GT and wait a few months to get a car without a rear wing, that works for me. I've learned the hard way that it doesn't pay to be one of the first to take delivery of a new model from Ford ;-)
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    How bout the body add-ons? Can you delete those off the GT? I think this car looks best unadorned.
  • What body addons? Are you talking about the new 2005 Mustang or the older 2004?
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    Yeah, I am talking about the 2005. Check out the GT vs the V6 mustang. The GT has extra body trim around both bumpers and the side rocker panels. IMO it looks better without it. If I could get a V6 body with a GT engine and suspension, I would be very happy.

    So does anyone know if you can delete them from a GT?
  • The GT appears to have different front and rear valances than the V6. I don't think they are "add-ons", I'd guess the two cars use totally different front and rear bumper covers. The side sills are probably add-ons, but my guess is they are going to end up on every GT. It's funny, but you have the same idea as me -- a car with the appearance of the V6, but with a V8 engine and running gear. I'd even be willing to accept the slightly smaller front brakes to get the 16" alloys that come with the V6. Oh well - Ford won't build it, so what's the point of wishing?
  • The front and rear bumpers on the 2005 Mustang are different from base to GT. It isn't an addon factor.

    Ford made them different because a ton of GT owners said they wanted their Mustangs to look different than the base V6 Mustang. Personally I prefer the way the 2005 GT looks over the base Mustang. I was just the opposite though when it came to the 87 - 93 Mustangs.
  • Anyone know when the 05 GT verts will be out ? Later than the coupes? I know the 94 vert was the first 94 I saw during that body changeover.
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