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Ford Mustang (2005 and Newer)

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  • Oh, I dunno.

    I bet the current Cobra and Mach 1s sell just fine without discounts. They are unique and rare enough I bet people will still snap one of them up without worrying about waiting till the new ones come out.

    I know some people that are buying the current Mustang GT to tide them over for two years. Ford has had some quality issues introducing new models, so they figure they will wait two years and by then a lot of the bugs will be worked out. In the meantime they will have a current GT on a 2 year lease to enjoy and play with. Not really a bad idea if you think about it.
  • I never saw any specs or concepts with a supercharged 5.4. I think you are mistaken. The original concept that was displayed had a supercharged 4.6, not a 5.4.
  • I agree that the current model is still attractive but it's gonna take some incentives to move them. The next Gen GT has all the go-power of the Mach 1 and has the added benefit of running on "regular" gas. (I'm a beliver now, read it in both Motor Trend and Hot Rod Mag)I saw both the '04 & '05 side by side at the LA Auto Show yesterday and while the production model is much tamer than the concept I saw a couple weeks back at the California Auto Show in Anahiem, it is FAR more attractive than the SN95 it replaces. Tighter, leaner, lower, and with a beautiful interior featuring seats boltered like Recaro's there's no way any dealer in thier right mind wants an 04 sitting on the lot with the 05's.

    I was commenting earlier about how the "spy" photos of the new stang looked very similar to my 99 GT with some kind of body kit. In real life they don't look very similar at all.

    Also I commented earlier about how the first thing I would do is paint the light "buckets" to match the body color. No-can-do. There are no "buckets" as in the concept. Instead the lamp is a self contained unit with a plexiglass lens cover. Too bad, cause inside it has "gills" next to the light just like a '65 but sice it's black you can barely make it out. Maybe the aftermarket will come up with color keyed replacement units sans the plexiglass cover.

    Oh yeah, the spokesmouth at the show said pricing on the new Stang would be about $700 more than the current model. He also claims the Fall release date is not set in stone. Says Ford is "playing it safe" with a late target date that could get moved up considerably if circumstances permit.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,563
    The interior pics I saw in Motor Trend showed rather flat front seats - where did you see these seats?
    Thanks,
    - Ray
    Remembering very cool Recaros in "special edition" (maybe pace car) Mustangs in the late 70s . . .
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    "Oh yeah, the spokesmouth at the show said pricing on the new Stang would be about $700 more than the current model."

    That's good to hear. MT estimated a base of $26,000 for the GT coupe which is about $2000 more than a base GT coupe (Deluxe trim) right now.

    I can stomach $700 a little better than $2000. Especially since I'm going to want a convertible. That version would have been pushing $33,000 if MT was right! At that price point you might as well go the extra $5k and get the SVT when it's available. :)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    I'm telling you if you walk up to the average car buyer on the street and ask 100 of them about the mustang, you'd be lucky if 10% knew anything about it. People who aren't into cars only know about it if someone tells them or they see an ad on TV. They don't read car magazines or watch automotive TV shows. They don't listen to news coverage of auto shows. They don't read newpaper articles on cars or auto shows. They don't care.

    These are the people who will buy mustangs. Once the new ones are out they'll have to offer incentives to get rid of them. Until then I think sales will be flat or only down a little. It won't be the disaster that some of you are predicting.
  • If these people do not care about cars, why are they buying Mustangs?? People who do not care about cars buy the cheapest thing out that runs, and I agree they do not care, but they are not buying Mustangs. They cost too much, and they are only looking for an appliance. I would say that 95% of Mustang buyers know at least a little about the car, and they do care.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    "Ford should build out the old ones and get with the program before some other company sees a chance to hit the market with a comparable new product right away, a new Camaro????? "

    How can GM whip up a whole car in 6 months, when they have no plans at all for a new Camaro!!!!

    Most American people are into cars on a superficial level. Look at how packed Auto Shows get and when one gets a new car it's "ooo and ahhh".

    Also, what amazes me is some will know all about old cars and tinkering with them. But they have no idea of how the Auto industry works and what is going on. But they will be hugly upset if they actually think the the 2005 is a reproduction of the 68!
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    I agree with akirby...there are plenty of people "into" Mustangs on a casual level (these are the people I meet who ask why didn't I get the 5.0 engine in my 2002 GT?). They're exactly the sort who'll buy the current generation models...

    And if you think about it, that's kinda been the Mustang's point all these years...affordable performance and sporty style for the masses. Most Mustang buyers in 1964 weren't guys who had been souping up 1950s sedans or making hotrods out of 1940s coupes...

    And Tomcat, great point...go on stangnet and see many, many people who have immense technical knowledge, but cannot understand why on earth Ford doesn't offer 400 hp in the Mustang GT... : )
  • I saw these seats in the production model 05 Mustang at the LA Auto show. The spokes person opened up the door and there they were, two thigh bolsters of the like seen only on aftermarket seats. (Not as high or deep as Recaros but certainly more than anything you've ever seen from the factory.) I suppose a photo migh make them look "flat" but in 3-D reality there they are. You are in for a very pleasant surprise.
    This particular car had a red on black interior. If I am not mistaken, it is the very car pictured in the current Hot Rod Magazine issue. The one with the Burgandy 05 on the cover.

    Anyone who can read a newspaper, or even glance at one in a vending machine knows that Ford has a new Mustang. It was on the front page of most of the dailies out here in Southern California,
    and shown on the news all day. And anyone who is in the market for a new car will certainly seek opinions of friends and family before purchasing. The moment they let on that they're considering a new Mustang someone is bound to mention there's a re-design out soon. Really, when was the last time anyone here bought a new car without mentioning it to anyone who would listen?

    Basicly there are four types of buyers. Econobox buyers who are not likely to purchase a Mustang, Luxo buyers, again not likely, Truck/SUV buyers who probably wouldn't buy any car at any price, and sporty/performance buyers. The first group could not care less about anything but price and cost of ownership, and that's what they research, Luxo barge buyers only care about creature comforts and how many they can get for thier dollar. Truck people will shop for performance but they are'nt looking at cars.
    The last group wants a fun vehicle and that means style and performance. These people will look at everything on the market, and consider everthing on the market, even fast trucks, fast luxo-cars, and Pocket Rockets. They'll look to the horizon to make sure the immediate future does not hold something better, funner, or cooler. Realisticly speaking I think it's fair to say that anyone in the market for a vehicle that does not offer a whole lot of utility, such as a Mustang GT, will know whether or not there's a new Mustang just over the horizon. (They'll probably know evry looming performance car in the pipeline)
  • You are really in the park. Right on. That is what I have been trying to tell these guys, and my Camaro remark was only a figure of speech, but someone took it for an upcoming car??? If he read the rest of the post he would have seen the GTO remark also and the (: after it. I guess there are a lot of litteral lotties on this thread. It was just a barb thrown at Ford for holding up the production of the 05. Maybe if enough people want the 05 NOW Ford might move the production date up, after all people screaming about the near death of the Mustang years ago, made Ford take a second look at getting rid of the stang. Lets try again.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    Who said they're "holding up" production of the 05? As far as I know it's always been scheduled for this fall. Just because a couple of cars are at the auto show does NOT mean this car is ready for mass production. If it was ready for this spring they would have introduced it this spring. They don't just hold back cars for the heck of it.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    Go to someplace that's not full of car enthusiasts. Mall, work, etc. Do a poll and see how many people know there's a new mustang. You're severely overestimating the general public's interest level. There are plenty of people who buy mustangs who are not car enthusiasts. Enough to keep sales up for the next several months.
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    Normally I would agree with you about the public's complete lack of knowledge about the automotive industry, but the new Mustang has been talked about on EVERY prime time, morning and 24-hour television news broadcast. If there is a person who doesn't at least have some inkling of a clue that there is a new Mustang going into production then that person was watching old re-runs of Friends instead of the news for the past week.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    > If there is a person who doesn't at least have some inkling of a clue that there is a new Mustang going into production then that person was watching old re-runs of Friends instead of the news for the past week. <

    There ARE people like that, you know.

    Seriously, I'd rather wait and have Ford work out the inevitable kinks and thoroughly test a production version of the new Mustang before it gets into the hands of the public. The LAST thing Ford needs is a public relations fiasco if the new Mustang starts to fall apart at the first touch.

    Give Ford time to make sure everything fits and works together. Give them time to sort out the suspension calibrations. Give them time to trace down any rattles or squeaks that may pop up. Give them time to properly train their employees on the production line to build the car right.

    I don't know about you, but I'd rather spend time driving a new car rather than taking it back to the dealership to fix annoying problems that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

    Patience, people, patience.
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    Hey, as much as I would love to get my hands on one of those new GTs, I'll probably just drive my current Mustang until it bites the dust. I don't think a new car will be in my budget for quite some time.
  • You have valid points, however, I think that you forgot that the new Mustang is to be built at the Mazda factory in Flat Rock. These guys do a better job than the old worn out plant. I think they can put a new car out in much better condition than Ford has demonstrated in the past. Also, if Ford wanted to they could have introduced the 05 as early as May of 04 to coincide with the 40th anniversary. I think that the delay was economic rather than necessary, they just wanted to get rid of the old ones first. IMHO.
  • I saw some concept pictures of the '05 convertible, is it supposed to be a 2 or 4 seater. Will they have a convertible in 2005?
  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    Snakerbill,

    FYI, the 40th anniversary would be in April, 2004 ----April 17th I think? I know, because as a 14 year old kid I wanted one then too!

    Knowing what I know now, I still would have my doubts about a year one car...Flint Rock or Dearborn! I was bitten in '79 by the Mustang/Capri and again in '84 by a Toyota!

    I love the way the new ones look, but I'm gonna stick with my 2000 convert for a bit.
  • I've read where the convert. will come out 6 months after the coupe. Yes, it will be a 4 seater. Only the concept was a 2 seater.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    Definitely 4 seats. That's one of the reasons they couldn't use the dew98 platform - not stiff enough. The Tbird uses extra reinforcement behind the seats but since the mustang is a 4 seater they couldn't do that.
  • It is a valid point that a large percentage of the public has no idea about the new Mustang, or any other car for that matter. But I don't consider potential "buyers" to be a part of that group. Take me for example. In 1998 I began shopping for a new car. My criteria was:
    1. A V-8
    2. Automatic Transmission
    3. It had to be a Car. No trucks, SUV's.

    It took me a year to finaly buy because I wanted to see the "new" 99 Mustang. I did not want to risk buyers remorse. I also knew that if I did NOT like the new 99 Mustang there would be PUH-LENTY of 98's to pick and choose from at discounted prices. I bought the 99. Glad I waited.

    I wasn't even a Mustang nut at the time. I could've bought a Camaro. And would have had the Chivvy dealer been willing to go 2% over invoice. (The Ford Dealer did)

    Anyway all I'm saying is that I was part of the General public until it came time to plunk down a wad of hard earned cash. Then I became a part of the "buying" public.

    About the GTO. Saw it at both the California and the LA Auto Shows. If all you want is a big engine and don't care what it's wrapped in, then this is your car. For my tastes it was very bland on the outside.

    Strangley enough, It's been five years since I bought my 99, and although there are now more cars available with V-8's, the Mustang is still the only "affordable" one around. When I saw the Chevy SSR I thought wow, this thing is gonna steal some Mustang Thunder. When I heard the Chevy Spokeman spout $42 grand as the sticker, I thought WOW! Chevy blows it again! So for now it looks like, as in '65 Mustang has an "open field".
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    I really feel like the SSR is going down the exact same road the T-bird did. Those are DEEPLY discounted these days. You think Chevy would see the error of Ford's ways and alter their strategy for this car. Or they could just say, "we intended from the start to make this car a short production run of x years." lol

    Maybe they think they will bank on the SSR's 300 hp?

    Not with an attractive 300 hp 25k Mustang right around the corner.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,613
    big difference is the SSR is SLOW and HEAVY. Really not anywhere near Mustang territory, even if it was the same price as a Mustang. All that power means nothing when the darn thing weighs well over 2 tons. The Tbird and SSR is a much closer comparison.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think you are overestimating the buying public's interest in cars and car news. I think the vast majority of people who go into a Ford dealer to buy a new mustang will have no clue there is a new one around the corner, and the dealers definitely won't tell them. I think we, as enthusiasts, are in the minority.
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    I'm with akirby on this one. But even if the general public is aware of the upcoming Mustang (which I don't think it is, if only because it HASN'T BEEN ON TV YET...for most people, this is their source of car info), I don't think it's going to destroy sales of the current gen. like some predict.

    Re the other topic, I've yet to see an SSR in person. Is it out yet?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,613
    As far as I understand, it is out. I have seen folks selling "real, in stock" ones. Saw one one of those classified ads in the rear of one of the trade mags (I think autoweek) and, IIRC, it had an asking price of $50K+. I'm sure there are some on ebay, too.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    Hey guys, I have to admit that Mustangs haven't done anything for me in a long while. I had an old '66 Mustang when I was in high school that I loved. I partially restored it and just really learned to love that car as I worked on it.

    That said, I haven't liked any of the Mustang's styling efforts since the 1970 version (and even then, I'm not wild about where they removed the 69's headlights). And I absolutely hate the current (SN95 is it?) version. Just way too boy racer styled for my taste (I really despise 47, non-functioning scoops, but that's just me). Not saying anyone's wrong for liking it, just that it just isn't my thing.

    However, this new "retro" Mustang (with a decent quality interior it seems) really has me interested. This new one really captures a lot of the styling cues from the various 60's models and little things here and there really remind me of my 1966 coupe on the inside. Oddly enough, I was looking at probably something on the order of a BMW 3 series/Audi A4 as my next car, but this Mustang has me really interested. Might have to give up the extra set of doors and go with my heart.

    If this car drives well (I did see it still has the solid-rear axle), is well built, and the interior doesn't look like it is made of recycled defective Legos, Ford just might have a sale from somebody who'd had written of Mustangs (and the other Pony cars) long ago. Good job Ford. Wonder if I'm the only one of the non-pony car guys it will attract, or there will be more.

    By the way, rereading this I probably make myself sound older than I am. I'm 28.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    I drive a Lincoln LS and would definitely consider a mustang for my next vehicle. GT convertible most likely.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    "Might have to give up the extra set of doors and go with my heart."

    Exactly! With a 6 week old baby it was a tough decision to make right now too. I could be zooming around in a brand new, and practical, Mazda3 or Mazda6 in a month or two but the '05 Mustang started tugging at my heart strings again when I saw the pictures.

    The fat lady started singing when she heard that tune! ;)
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