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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon



  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    Toyota needs to make sure they keep the large rear seat and driver's seat, generous trunk, soft ride and 18.5 gallon gas tank in any re-do of the Avalon. That's why a lot of us drive them. I liked the body style of my old '99 better than my new '03...but I bought one anyway. Great cars! And similar in most areas I felt important.

         If ANY of these things are altered just to add a little "sport" to the car, I would probably buy a Lexus E330 instead. Avalon driver's generally do not want a firm suspension and sports car performance. If I am to be shortchanged (less interior room, maybe) on driving what I want, let me have it in a Lexus.

         If anyone gets any PICS...or other links to the 2005 body, this topic would be a great place to post them. Everybody wants to know. Enjoy your Avalons, all.
  • "Fin" accurately describes what a core group of loyal Avalon buyers expects in a new Avalon. But will it happen? If the Avalon had been a hot selling car, perhaps, but this is unfortunately not the case.

    Our 2002 Saab 9-3 is the last example of the "traditional" Saabs -- a heavy-feeling car with a huge hatchback, and we will probably keep it for ever. Why? Because the 2003 model is a mainstream sedan, a good car but not what the traditional Saab owner wanted. And the result for GM (owner of Saab) -- vastly improved sales volume. Catering to the traditional core Saab group was not cutting the sales mustard, and Toyota faces the same issue with the Avalon.
  • pmcb48pmcb48 Posts: 192
    I just got back from the 2004 models auto show in Virginia Beach, VA, and it was an eye opener for me.
    I had been considering the Infiniti G35 and the new Acura TL, and the show provided an opportunity to sit in all the new models. My wife in particular had her own priorities, high among them interior room, including back seat. It was surprising how many cars, including the G35 and TL, had narrow rear-door openings, and relatively small backseats, not to mention subjectively little rear-seat headroom. If I bought one of those, I'd be riding most of the time by myself, as my wife/daughter would and did feel cramped, not to mention how my in-laws would feel.
    The most comfortable and spacious interior we found, by far, was the 2004 Avalon. I'm 55, and the other eye-opener was that I'm now putting comfort ahead of neck-snapping acceleration. I have always liked the Avalon, but wasn't sure I was ready for a "Japanese Buick." I guess I finally am!
    I will watch this and other strings regarding the Avalon with great interest. Since I am now seriously considering buying an Avalon, I would likely wait for the 2005 re-design before doing so. All the rumors, advance info, etc. re the 2004 Acura TL I read in forums like this came true, and without much clarification or input from dealers or Acura itself. Likely it will be the same with the Avalon. Thank goodness for the internet! I am looking forward to being a part of this community.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,822
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  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    I spoke with a friend who is a sales Manager this weekend. He also has confirmed that the 2005 Avalon will be a beautiful looking car (based on pictures he has seen). He is predicting that it will take sales away from the Lexus ES model (time will tell). Read the Consumer Guide info. Doesn't really tell us very much and, who is source? Maybe 4WD or AWD will be offered as an option? Anxious to see what it will look like, inside and out.
  • Have 96 XLS and, like pmcb48, comfort (and room inside) and utility are becoming more important the older I get. We drove a 2004 Prius a month ago and I'd seriously consider a 2005 Avalon if it has the bigger 3.3 V6 and electric power. Make the new Avalon a hybrid, a plush full size Prius, and I want one.

    I still like performance and a fun car to drive from time to time, but for long drives comfort, space, and utility count most. A hybrid Avalon would be all of these and give outstanding fuel economy.
  • nomad56nomad56 Posts: 134
    fndly'-no hybrid Avy on the drawing board right now. Next up for the hybrid combo is the RX330(Lexus). That's not until next fall. Toyo, like ALL mfg's, EVENTUALLY, intends to apply this combo to it's entire fleet???? How quickly this will happen is uncertain... -nomad56-
  • I've read that the redesigned '05 Avalon will be built on the Camry platform. Since the Avalon is a step up from the Camry in the Toyota model lineup, does that mean we can expect an Avalon built on a stretched Camry chassis? And has anyone seen any spy shots of the '05 Av? I'm irked that Priddy and Dunne can get shots of the "hot" redesigns two or three years before they hit the showrooms, but I still haven't found anything for the new Av less than one year from going on sale.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Since they were introduced for the 1995 model year, the Avalons have been based on the Camry, and as you stated, they basically ARE a stretched version of the Camry platform. The current (2000-2004) Avalon is riding on the Camry's previous platform (1997-2001), and the 05 Avalon will move to the new platform.

  • pmcb48pmcb48 Posts: 192
    I have been frustrated finding anything out about the 2005 Avalon except tantalizing little snippets from people quoting this or that industry insider. Dealers are no help; with the G35, I knew more from boards like this than the dealers were willing to discuss or admit.
      I guess I'll just have to keep checking this site and hope that the rumors of a 5-speed auto transmission, 3.3 L V6, and 230 HP are true, not to mention improved styling.
  • One of the cars that will give the Avalon a run for its money is the Kia Amanti. The Amanti will have a lot to offer and will be under $30,000 fully loaded, for example: one touch up/down windows for the front and the rear, heated seat options for the front and the rear, one touch open/close sunroof, heated outside mirrors, and whole bunch of others, and you can get all of that for about $28,000. If the 2005 Avalon is going to be as nice as I hear it is supposed to be, that they would be well served to offer the same options and features found in the Amanti. If Toyota can't go toe to toe with Kia, then something is terribly wrong
  • pmcb84

    Talk about being frustrated trying to find out information about the 2005 Avalon, I started back in May 2003 trying to find information on the changes for 2004. Imagine my shock to find out that steveB84 was right when he posted "no changes for Avalon in 2004 model". I could not believe it until I saw it with my own eyes. I still have not bought one. Now hunting info on the 2005 like everyone here. The bench seat is the option most important to me and my wife. I will buy a 2005 if I can get it with the bench seat. If not I will try to find a 2004 XLS the way I want it if they are still around. I too am hoping some one will post reliable 2005 Avalon information here.
  • Seajay, we're all feeling that frustration about the lack of info for a new model less than a year away. I'm hoping the '05 Av gets unveiled at the January auto show in Detroit, though the roster of cars for that show is not yet available.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    to find spy shots of an Avalon? When the Camry was redesigned Toyota I don't think kept the spy photo's a secret now like they are doing now with the 05 Avalon.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The Camry redesign was a well kept secret. Pics and confirmed information only leaked out the April before the September official launch.

  • 1. May hurt 2003 Avalon sales.
    2. Its another styling dud from Toyota.

    Personally, I am praying its number 1!

    I have been a Toyota owner for 15+ years. My wife and I each drive Camry's (97 and 01). But recently, I have had nightmares where a day came that Toyota had finally given their top of the line car a top of the line style! "Toyota Quality" and "World-Class Style" could share the same sentence! And that car was in our driveway! Then, of course, I wake up and realize it was just a dream. To be fair, the Avalon is not a bad car, the comfort and conveniences are unquestionably compelling, but its styling simply puzzles. In my opinion, the current Avalon would be far more popular had they went a little further with the application of the Lexus GS styling cues. It appears they started with the GS silhouette, then, in an attempt to avoid being a blatant copy, chose to differentiate the two by giving Avalon the wide mouth / narrow body / flat roof / small wheels look. I believe that decision totally polarized the Avalon market. People seem to either love it or hate it. For the sake of appeasement, Toyota could have at *least* offered some appearance package upgrades (chrome wheels, better paint, etc.). Instead they seem determined to hold this notion that the buyers in the Avalon market have no sense of style. I think they call it "Japanese Buick" - the idea that old people just want to get from "A" to "B" and could care less about what the car looks like. I think the Cadillac Sedan de Ville blows that theory right out of the water. The average Cadillac buyer is at least the same age if not older than the average Avalon buyer. But yet, Sedan de Ville offers a huge number of appearance enhancing options that I assume attempts to address the desires of their market. I believe that when Americans make top line purchase decisions, a high percentage of us are strongly influenced by appearance. Oh well, as we all know, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder...and maybe Toyota will consider some fresh eyes around their design offices.
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,160
    The styling of the Avalon, (Version to 2.0 - 2.04) is chameleon like. Up close the car looks very nice and refined. But when in motion especially from the rear the car looks like a big box on wheels.

    I guess this is the design theme for the new Toyota since the Corolla is a petit version of the Avalon. For 2005 I believe it will be more of the same. I am still waiting though.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Another styling dud from Toyota? Think most of Toyotas redesigned vehicles of late are nicely styled. The Camry looks great, if not in LE trim with those ugly wheelcovers, definitely in SE and XLE trim with the alloys. The Corolla is sharp, the Solara is distinctive and upscale....

    I agree that the 2000-2004 Avalon is a bit odd in its proportions, though, and I hope the redesign is at least somewhat eye-catching.

  • I guess I'm one of those styling dull thuds. Never have liked the rolling jelly bean style of of my 96 and find the current style even worse. Didn't keep me from buying then and it wouldn't now - as long as the car is quiet, roomy, has a great A/C, and gives outstanding comfort. For me, as long as a vehicle isn't too awful in my eyes, style isn't an issue unless I feel it is so bad that resale will suffer significantly (Aztek (sp) comes to mind).

    Looks can attract and get us to the showroom, but once there substance becomes prime.

    It would be nice be able to get an Avalon sport/performance version though. Maybe one with a supercharged engine or a Prius like electric assist, bigger sway bars, more wheel and tire... . Probably will not happen, but does not mean I wouldn't buy one again.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    I just don't find anything about the new batch of Toyota's thats attractive. I mean one of Toyota's weaknesses has always been exterior styling with the exception of the Celica which is getting the ax in favor of a new Scion Coupe after the 04 model year. The RAV 4 also sharp but looking which might be getting the ax too. All I see form Toyota is them using nice interior materials's in their cars. Toyota is getting beaten badly in the younger buyers category by Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, Mazda, and VW. Sales of the Celica to younger buyers were not enough too level out sales of their average age buyer. Their reliability edge is invisible now. Toyota is a company that might make mistakes twice with the same product and then cash in on a 3rd opportunity(looks at their entry's into the pick-up market: the T-100 was a flop and then the Tundra was a hit.) So maybe there is hope Toyota will find exterior styling wothy of bringing young buyers to showrooms. The Prius looks like a nice start: imagine that a Toyota that actually looks pretty cool.
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