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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon

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  • rhackrhack Posts: 24
    No reason at all, you can actually order them online for $65 to match any car color.

    http://www.xmfanstore.com/showproduct.php?id=cmatchroadyant
  • Hi wayoutthere,

    I would recommend the Avalon without hesitation (pun intended).

    In my experience over nearly 5 months my Avalon has continued to have a few "sometimes indecisive transmission" episodes, but this behavior is infrequent and harmless. It can happen when stepping on the gas after having slowed down from cruising speeds to a near-stop (while in D). The engine revs up quickly and more than I would expect necessary but the car does not lounge forward excessively; it still accelerates smoothly. It seems as if too low a gear was selected but the clutch is gently and gradually engaged. This is not a "hesitation" in the sense that acceleration was not delayed. It just seems as if the wrong gear was selected, but the car advances smoothly anyway and soon shifts up once or twice to the right gear for the intended motion.

    I've been catching up with recent posts lately, one suggested that the adaptive transmission memory doesn't operate when you shift over to S ("manual shift") and select 4; I'm now testing this.

    Some earlier posters have reported different, more serious transmission problems, though. If you remain concerned maybe you can arrange to thoroughly test-drive the car before you accept delivery.

    Best wishes,

    havalongavalon
  • Has anyone had a problem with the spoiler gasket? After a few weeks of ownership, the rubber gasket on the spoiler began working its way out from under the spoiler. I took it back to the dealer, who replaced it with a new spoiler. It did it again on the new spoiler...same thing exactly. I called Toyota customer service, who said they have not heard of any problems like this yet. The dealer took it off and tried gluing the seal. Now it's beginning to work its way out again!!! Anybody else seeing this???
  • jickajicka Posts: 38
    I have a Ltd with about 700 miles on the clock. My spoiler (ordered specifically for the car) looks just fine. Was yours installed at the factory?
  • maddokemaddoke Posts: 12
    Same thing happened on my Touring. It started with about 1000 miles on it. Took a month to get the spoiler and replaced it this week. Hope it doesn't happen again but based on your expeience, I may be taking it back again.
  • garychgogarychgo Posts: 7
    You have described my LTD exactly. In fact, it got jammed once and the dealer had to pry it apart. I just didn't want to go thru the hassle of getting a loaner etc at that time to fix the problem. The entire console needs to come out. I'm not even sure Toyota really has the fix. I suspect it's tabs etc that were not properly fastened together during fabrication.

    Gary
  • hey guys i am about to receive my limited , i ordered for the spoiler by my owen and i'll install the spoiler in diffrent pro garage can anyone give me tips in installing the wing without gettting the same problems ?

    thanks alot
  • yurikyurik Posts: 18
    Hi havalongavalon,

    It's interesting but I also was testing my transmission in 'S' mode but in 5th gear. It seems like that helps and transmission shifts smoother. Do you think there is a difference between selecting 4 or 5? My thought is if you are on the highway, you better off with 5.

    Regards,
    yurik
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    FYI - yurik

    Gear V is an overdrive ratio designed to put the highway gas mileage of the 2005 Avalon into the elite range..30 mpg plus for a car this size. There is no benefit to overall performance or speed at any time except the gas mileage increase. Gears I thru IV should give you all you need below 55-60 mph. After that, Gear V begins to make some difference in the mileage. Experiment a little...you will see. :)
  • Hi Gladiator99,

    I was traveling, so I couldn't reply sooner to your post #7288 where you said, "Don't the speedometers of the US Avalons show both miles and kilometers. MPH on the outside and KM on the inside. Just the opposite of the Canadian models. However the odometer would show miles. Why would Transport Canada not allow a person to bring a brand new car into Canada just because of the different odometer calibration? We'll have to look into this!! ... I just checked on the Transport Canada website and the Avalon is approved for import into Canada. No mention of required changes to the speedo or odometer."

    Friends who have imported (used) cars both ways across the border, either to take advantage of price differences or model availability, had to have the car inspected and sometimes modified to meet local requirements. Canadian minivans imported into the US required expensive replacement of the speedometer/odometer instrumentation by a bonded mechanic. But a US model Toyota Land Cruiser (only available in Canada as the far more expensive Lexus Land Cruiser) met a checklist of over 150 items without needing any modification.

    It is reasonable that the US Avalon is approved for import into Canada, since it includes daylight running lights and other safety features required in Canada. If this approval extends to the Limited, which is not sold here, then you or I could have crossed the border in a couple of hours and bought a loaded Limited from a US dealer, and for less than we paid for our Canadian XLS Avalons... Something that is disheartening for us, but prospective Canadian Avalon buyers may really want to look into!

    Regards,

    havalongavalon
  • Hi yurik,

    Further to what fin said, the only difference between selecting 4 or 5 while in 'S' mode is that you decide what will be the highest available gear. In either case the transmission will automatically select a gear between 1 and 4, or 1 and 5, according to driving conditions. Controlling the highest available gear is useful when you want to reach higher RPM without automatically shifting, or to assist the brakes on downhills.

    But an additional benefit that was recently discussed is that when you go into 'S' mode, the adaptive transmission memory is de-activated. This will help if you don't like the shifting behavior that may develop when you are driving in 'D' mode.

    And I agree with you, when you are driving on the highway it's best to shift in 'S' and 5, this will cover the entire range that you have in 'D' mode but without any annoying learned shifting patterns.

    Regards,

    havalongavalon
  • angeange Posts: 158
    I don't know the reason, but the Avalon quality is not the same as pre 2005's.Greenbelt, you may be right. New management that is money driven instead of quality may have changed. This will have to change because Avalon owners will not be fooled for too long. My daughter has a 2006 Lexus 330. The car is perfect, Every detail is perfect.The doors, hood ,trunk, and the dash have perfect spacing everywhere.

    Today I looked at several new Nisson altimas". Their workmanship is much better than my Limited. Ange1
  • tinatinatinatina Posts: 388
    I heard similar remarks about the Georgetown Plant - that quality is mixed there. I know the plants (Japan) that builds the Highlander, the Lexus ES 330, LS 430, and the RX 330 are always mentioned as being the best that Toyota has. However, I'm not sure if some of this is due to the vehicle being a new model. Months ago Consumer Reports mentioned that problems are generally higher in new models versus older models.

    I like the Avalon and its styling. I think its bold and "Lexus-like". However, some of my biggest gripes are the lack of fold down seats, fold in mirrors, and no trunk lock. In my area, another problem is that the dealerships have rude personnel and they do not respond to pricing/availability questions quickly. In contrrast, the Honda dealerships in my area are generally very good and the personnel are nice.
  • alan_salan_s Posts: 356
    For those of you having tire concerns:
    A couple of weeks ago I picked up my new XLS from a Toyota dealer in the north eastern Atlanta area. Within a day, I realized that the Bridgestone EL400's were VERY noisy. Lots of drumming and grainy roadnoise on anything but very smooth surfaces. It ran much noisier than my '02. Even my wife commented on how noisy the car was, and she is usually oblivious to anything car related. I emailed the Toyota salesperson requesting that they switch the Bridgestones for the Michelins. I hadn't even put 20 miles on the car. I didn't get a reply, so I called again and left a message. I hadn't received a call back the following day so I called, got voicemail. I eventually had the salesman paged and as soon as he got on the line he was arrogant and aggressive. :mad: He told me that it was my fault that the car was noisy because I declined the $699 Toyogard package! He said that the manager wouldn't switch the tires but they would send the car "back to port" to get Toyogard installed for $699. I insisted that he ask the manager to switch the tires, but he told me the manager was out playing golf and wouldn't be back until the following day.
    Naturally, I didn't get a call back the next day, and to make a long story short, the dealer gave me a run-around and the general manager didn't return phone calls or emails. Great management. :sick:
    I called Toyota Customer Service and opened a case number. They said they would contact the S.E. Toyota representative and the dealer. I didn't expect to hear anything back, so I went to a corporate owned Bridgestone store and told them about my dissatisfaction with the EL400's. They made a phone call to Bridgestone corporate who authorized the tires to be switched out for Turanza LS-V's if I paid the difference in cost, which was minimal. I have LS-H's on my '02 Avalon and LS-T's on our Sienna, and they are a superb smooth riding and very quiet tire, so I was ecstatic to receive this kind of service. Bridgestone ordered the set for me. :)
    The next day I received an email from the dealer where they said that Toyota had contacted them regarding my complaint and Toyota had asked them to switch the tires for the Michelins, but they wanted $100 for their effort. I had the Turanza LS-V's installed and my new Avalon now glides along in smooth silence. The Turanza LS series are an exceptional tire and a very good match for Toyotas. I can't say enough good things about Bridgestone's customer service. I am now a customer for life. As for that pathetic Toyota dealer in Duluth - I will never walk into that dealership again and I will certainly be spreading the word about how I was treated. A number of my clients have been very impressed with my Avalon but I will suggest that they purchase from another dealer - and specify Michelin tires before signing. At least Toyota Corporate followed up and tried to put things right, which I appreciated.
    Otherwise, this is one incredible car for the money... If only the Toyota dealers :lemon: were up to the standard of the car.
  • buck11buck11 Posts: 30
    I've read post here that are both praise worthy and critical of the Avalon. I've got an 06 ordered and was just wondering if you had it to do over, would you still buy the Avalon or spring for something else? If you wouldn't buy the Avalon again, why?? Thanks for your input.
  • drb05drb05 Posts: 24
    OOOpps!
    Cna somebody please let me know exactly what's happening wiht tires. I just bought touring and put 76 miles already. I am not seeing much noise wiht the default tires (as I used to drive pilot which grinds more than a tractor).

    changing to michelin is free from toyota?

    thanks,

    drb
  • Yes, my original spoiler was factory installed. Second one was dealer installed. Third time dealer tried to fix with glue. Now its coming out again.
  • alan_salan_s Posts: 356
    Your Touring has Michelins. The Touring and Limited always have Michelins, the XLS comes with either Michelins or Bridgestones - luck of the draw.
  • angeange Posts: 158
    The transmission shifting is a tough nut to crack. My 1997 Crown Victoria Police Intercepter Engine would change gears so quick, and respond like a shot of gasoline hit the cylinders, that I almost complained about the quick response.It actually responded too quick. So how does a manufacturer design a transmission to satisfy everyone, when we all have our fixed notions as to what it is suppose to do?

    I think a problem that my be partly causing a hesitation is the engine RPM is pretty low in town running 30- 40 MPH and when we accelerate, it takes seconds to get going the way we expect it to.I find shifting into 4th gear when driving somewhere below 40 MPH in town works well.I am trying to determine at what speed the transmisson automatically shifts into 5th gear. I have not been able to follow the tachometer close enough to determine this shift point.I feel, at less than about 40 MPH, the car compression slows the car down more then noted in 5th gear doing about 50 MPH, so I assume it is in 4th gear. Does anyone know the typical speed that the transmission shifts into 5th gear? Remember when you get to open highways return the transmission to 5th.

    Despite all the defects repaired by the dealer and my gripes about the Limited, it still is an okey car. If you would ask me today, if I should have bought another model car, my answer would have to be yes. Ange1
  • easyrider300measyrider300m Posts: 1,116
    quote: " If you would ask me today, if I should have bought another model car, my answer would have to be yes. Ange1"

    What don't you like about the Avalon? What would you have considered buying in its place?
  • allavalonsallavalons Posts: 66
    I think there is some truth to the comment on the quality relationship with new/redesigned models compared to more mature later versions. The 2005 Avy is a complete makeover, from outside skin and length to the engine and tranny. My LTD was built in late May and I took delivery in early June.
    I immediately checked for all the items people have commented on, my exhaust pipes are straight and even, my Drivng'Fog lights aren't loose, my doors don't stick (except when my daughter pulls on the rear door just as I'm unlocking and then I have to lock and unlock again...lol). About the only distortion I can find in the rear window is by the defroster, radio and GPS wires and that seems to be more from looking through the window at an angle, I can't notice anything when looking throught the rearview mirror.
    I have Michelin's and I have no drift, except on roads with a huge crown in the middle, and the Tranny is so smooth I haven't been able to tell where ae the shift points are yet because I need to watch to see when the Tach drops.

    I don't think there will be fold down rear seats because of the recliners. I have found several problems with the owners manual, they should really hire english speaking proof readers, and make them try every instruction as written.

    I recently took my first trip 200 miles each way, and it was awesome, 30 to 31 MPG at 65 to 70 with 3 adults, luggage and the air on constantly since the temp was 90+ with high humidity. Used the Nav, no maps the whole trip, found addresses we were going in the phone book and never asked directions, in fact, several other people traveling with us would follow me to the restaurants, malls, etc. I was like the Pied Piper..LOL.

    The best test though is taking the car to the car wash. Those guys and gals see every type and model of car there is, new and old, fancy and plain, and they are mostly young. At the car wash on my trip the guy that delivered the car came over and said that is one sweet ride. He said the other guy that was helping sweep out the car and clean the windows said.."I'll take it, just deliver it to my driveway!"..LOL One attendant at the car wash near my home asked "what is the difference between that and a Lexus?"..I replied, "about $7.500."

    So yes, I'd buy this car again, and I believe they are getting better with each one they build, given my experience compared to some of the earlier pioneers that bought the 1st 15,000 made. Happy motoring.... ;)
  • boltz1boltz1 Posts: 3
    Page 45 of the Navigator System Manual states not to use any window tinting due to possible GPS interference.
    Does anyone have any experience concerning this? I was planning to have my side and rear windows tinted.
  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 107
    I've had my Limited for 3 weeks & have about 1200 mis. on it. I love it! No regrets. See my post #7273 for a more detained review.
  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 107
    Buck11, my post is now listed as 7274. It's a more detailed (not detained) review. Sorry.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    "Rather than consistently whine and complain on this forum, EVERYONE should simply make a toll free call to the complaint line to document their issue(s)...better yet, WRITE A LETTER! Unfortunately no one does that anymore so problems aren't addressed. Collectively, customers can make their mark to improve problems with a great car...just takes a slight bit of effort on everyone's part!
    zekeman1"

    I agree. If you do nothing, you deserve what you get. Here is another option to use that may get you to a much higher level at Toyota. These go to a very high level within the corporation. I sent one to Cadillac and had a response within hours. Try it. When I don't get satisfaction at the bottom, I try to drop down from the top. Works much better. The little guy has no clout.

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  • greenbeltgreenbelt Posts: 55
    As I understand it, the Lexus RX330 is made in Ontario, Canada, alongside the Corolla and Matrix. The original Lexus RX 300 was made in Japan.

    If you go over to the Edmunds Lexus RX330 Problems forum, you'll see that it's had a few pesky issues including wind noise, odd clunks and thunks and in early models, some transmission problems.

    Toyota may be able to export the Toyota Production System that strives for assembly perfection to North America, but they can't export their Japan-based Supply Chain's extensive expertise and component/product quality. For many years here in North America, many of the parts for cars built here were sourced in Japan.

    That leads me to feel that the other thing that has impacted Toyota North American quality is the shift to a higher % of the parts sourced in North America, which is likely one of the other byproducts of bringing the executive from Nummi to TMMK (Georgetown). His extensive experience working with GM counterparts and their suppliers at NUMMI would be a strong asset for him to drive the effort to increase the % of NA content.

    I think that our expectations that North American-made Toyotas will ever equal those assembled in Japan is naive. Similarly, we ought to recognize that the highest quality Toyotas made in North America are in the past for some time to come.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    "Today I looked at several new Nisson altimas". Their workmanship is much better than my Limited. Ange1 "

    I drove the new Altima's when they first came out, and they were definitely lacking in some areas. They have had a few years to 'dial them in'. I'm sure Toyota will do the same here. I had expected some resolution of the issues for 06, but it doesn't sound like they did anything. Let's hope they did, but didn't tell us yet.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    "pathetic Toyota dealer in Duluth"

    Duluth where? Dealers in other 'Duluths' may be getting a bad rap.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
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    Toyota Motor Corporation
    25 Atlantic Avenue
    Erlanger, KY 41018-3188
  • tinatinatinatina Posts: 388
    Actually, Corollas and Matrixs are mostly built in Fremont, California at the Nummi Plant (along with the Pontiac Vibe which is exported to Japan). Some Corollas are still built in Japan, as are most of the RX 330s. They did start building some RX 330s from Canada, but most still come frmo Japan (they have the J-Vin). The plants that built the Highalnder, Lexus RX 300/330 in Japan were rated quite high.

    In addition, it was mostly engines/transmissions that were sourced from Japan. <Most of the parts were U.S. or "North American" if you look at the Federal window stickers showing Part Content for those years.

    As far as the transmission issue, I'm not sufe how big a problem it is with the Avalon even though there is an increasing number of posters here. Based on their comments, it appears to be due to software or other issues. If Toyota did not fix it wilt the ES 330, they will not fix it anytime with the Avalon. They have not been very proactive in doing recalls (i.e. the engine foam problem.) However, as Consumer Reports, indicates a new model is just going to have more bugs than an older model.

    I think the problems in general among all car companies is the rush to contain manufacturing costs due to the competitive nature of the industry where incentives and discounts are the norm.
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