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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon



  • Hi avalonkitten,

    Thank you for sharing what you learned today, very interesting. I just re-read your original post as well. The advice you were given, to "pay attention to the pedal and ... press with purpose and do not release even if the car kicks or jumps" sounds a lot like the technique for braking with ABS; never pump the brakes but rather hold a steady pressure because if you pump, the ABS gets confused.

    What did he tell you about how hard or far to press the gas pedal? I find that my Avalon requires unusually low pedal pressure (and, on the other hand, requires a fair amount of brake pedal pressure) compared to my previous Camry or my 2003 Honda Pilot. Maybe it's how it has trained to respond by now; but as I recall, both pedal sensitivities were like this, from the beginning. In normal traffic driving I just step on the gas very lightly, over a small fraction of its travel. If I suddenly press the gas pedal 1/4 of the way down, my car instantly downshifts and roars away.

    When you follow the advice you received today to hold a steady pressure, I'd suggest to try to press on the gas pedal as lightly as possible. If you hold this level the car shouldn't kick or jump; it should soon learn to accelerate gradually and smoothly.

    If training Avalonkitten in this manner is successful, but still doesn't do the trick of taming Avalonkitten's Avalon, then clearly your Avalon may be a problem learner and need drastic remedial help.

    Best wishes,

  • On your other point about manual shifting: "It sounds like if you leave it in 4 will will still drive like an automatic only you will not have the 5th gear", this is correct. It does not behave like a manual; it behaves like an automatic transmission but with fewer gears, the top gear being the one you select. You can force a downshift, only because you are selecting a lower gear as the new top of the range. But you cannot force an upshift using the shifter; it will note your wish and upshift to your selected gear, if and when it decides to do it.

  • 3puttmax

    Hi There
    What weather tech mat did you get I went to site where you got it and spoke to customer service and they say the cargo mat for 05 Avalon is available in Black only (never came in grey)Your pic looks grey ?

    Can you tell me if it is grey or black
    Also looking to change out license frame from black plastic dealer frame Anyone find anything nice ? Thanks
  • jordan7jordan7 Posts: 77
    License plate frames--I purchased a simple chrome frame (about 3/8") from auto parts store ($5.00 - Advanced Auto I believe) for both plates. It matches the width of the Toyota emblem on the trunk and looks great, just enough of an edge to match the trim of the car. Also placed bolts in the bottom 2 holes of the plate and frame.
  • bakeroidbakeroid Posts: 39

    Congratulations!!!! Mine still seems to be a week or two away. Hope to hear today on the exact delivery date. Ordered on March 5

    I did see a Cassis Pearl Limited in a dearership in Sarasota FL which had just been prepped for delivery. It was gorgeous. I think you will be pleased.

    Please let me know how the pinstripes look (color, number, width, etc.). Maybe I can talk my dealer into a freebie also.

    Are you planning on installing "back-up" sensors?

    Please keep me posted at "" or on this forum.

    By the way, today is THURSDAY the 13th, so no need to worry about omens.

  • 3puttmax3puttmax Posts: 119
    analyticangel -

    My WeatherTech cargo mat is black. Most Toyota dealers sell custom chromed license plate brackets with "Avalon" on the bottom in fancy black letters. I got one for the front - looks very nice. On the back, I use a simple chrome one with no lettering, since Avalon is already spelled out on the trunk.

  • dajabdajab Posts: 35
    "Does you car have a Nav system. I would like to cover that well over and maybe I can just get a nav cover."

    Yes, it does. Sounds like a good idea, but I don't know where you would start looking for such a cover. Dealer? Toyota? Third party?"
  • jackevejackeve Posts: 5
    That's where the DVD player for the Navigation System is located in our Limited
  • barclay3barclay3 Posts: 90
    I picked up my Cassis Pearl Limited today. It is one great looking car inside and out. Cassis pearl is a deep burgundy, very classy. I don't understand why more people don't buy this color. The interior is ivory with the light wood which makes it look bigger than it is. I like the wood steering wheel (I never had one before). The JBL radio sounds very good and is easy to use.

    I've only driven it 20 miles but there have been no strange shifting of the transmission, the ride is very smooth and quite.

    The driver seat adjusts in so many ways that it took me awhile to get it to my liking but I did and it is very comfortable. I especially like the ventilated seats blowing out cool air.

    The pin striping will be painted on next Friday. I don't really need back-up sensors. I only park backing up at the train station.

    The sunshade goes up and down quietly. I'll put my change inside the front armrest (no problem there). The radio cover works easily and looks good.

    I know I just got it today but I am very happy with my choice. I don't think I made a mistake.

    This is one great looking car!
  • kinzuakinzua Posts: 44
    I have a $38,500 limited on order. I don't think for one minute that I should have to tolerate hesitations etc. while the transmission tries to figure out who is driving the car. The examples you put fourth are exactly the reason why this "learning" process will never provide the owner with the consistence performance one should expect from a luxury automobile.
    This “learning” concept really has me concerned because I just talked to a friend who has a 2004 Lexus ES330 and was told they would reset the computer and the learning would restart, hopefully eliminating the hesitations.
    I’m not interested in hearing justifications or excuses for the way the 2005 transmission may perform. I’ve driven a Touring and a Limited and for the short spin I took I’d say the transmission performed flawlessly. And, that’s exactly what I expect from the Limited, due to be delivered to me on 5/29/05.
    Thanks for your toutorial, even though it sounds like what I'd expect to hear from an enthusiastic used car salesman. :)
  • gladiator99gladiator99 Posts: 104
    Hi Kinzua!!
    I have owned a new Avalon for about 2 months now and I can say I have never experienced and transmission indecision yet. This is the second Avalon we've owned and this car is as smooth and solid as our 95xls was. Our new Avalon is an XLS in blizzard pearl with VSC, Trac control, etc. Both my wife and I drive the car so if the car has to learn different driving patterns then it is doing a bang up job. We live in an area where there are lots of hills and I have no problems with the transmission trying to find a gear. My previous car was an 02 acura TL which was supposed to have grade logic control in the tranny, which would slow the car down while decending hills. The Avalon is a smoother and better riding vehicle, not to mention the 280 HP on tap. I am sure you will love your new Avalon, just don't take all this buzz about the tranny too seriously until you have driven your car a few miles!!!!! Good Luck!!!
  • lntlnt Posts: 188
    Does anyone out there have a Cassis Pearl with the gold package yet? I am supposed to have mine done the 18th and I sure would like to see one first to be sure I will like it. I liked it on my 98, but that car had more chrome on it. I would hate to have it done and not like it. I may just cancel and wait awhile.
  • donb1donb1 Posts: 47
    I am ready to buy an XLS and have test driven it several times. Last night I took my wife with me and the Passenger AIRBAG ON Icon came on stayed on. Is this normal?? I don't want to turn off the airbag but that light is really annoying.
    Has anyone gotten the XM radio? If so, did you leave the antennal on the turnk lid?
    I think it looks so tacky as to be enough to make me look at another option.

    I think I had seen pictures of it mounted on the center back of the trunklid. That still looks crappy but a lot better than stuck on the side.

  • 3puttmax3puttmax Posts: 119

    Check out messages 4682 & 4718. Attached photo shows small XM antenna mounted inside underneath windshield. Practically invisible, reception is fine. Another poster had the stock Toyota antenna, which is larger, mounted inside under the rear window. So - you have options.

    And yes - the AIRBAG ON light is normal and always there when there is a passenger in the front seat.


  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    The airbag light shouldn't be on constantly. Usually that means the passenger isn't sitting in the seat properly.
  • dan41dan41 Posts: 180
    Post 5618 is correct. Again, every time you have a passenger in the front seat, the airbag light is illuminated. This is normal. Regards: Dan
  • burlburl Posts: 40
    Some 4000 +- E-mails ago In March My wife and I went out to drive and buy one of the first avalons in the mid west. Drove it for 10 minutes, came back and told the salesman it has the
    "Hunt and Peck" transmission and the throttle body Gliches that none of us wanted to see.
    We said thank you and left dissapointed.
    Came back to this forum and reported what we had seen and several members helped us out by telling us those problems did not exist and insenuitated that we weren't quite right in the head to see those problems because they don't exist . Same thing with our comments that we weren't rearly sure that it rode as well nor was it as quite as the old body stile "blastfumy and Ignorance" was insunuiated again.
    Drove another one month later : Same problems ,...Changed but still there....Many of the forum
    still denying that the potential for problems "could or did exist'.
    Car has a wonderful Rocket for an engine...... it also has the or at least the potential for the problems that have been pointed out by MANY. Honestly know what to say when so many keep denying it does not nor can not exist in many of the cars. Kind of like the old story that the
    "the uglyest gal in the bar starts looking pretty good about 'the last call'. Guys I realy want to like this car.... It has much going for it and that rocket for an engine is almost enough for me to buy the car and hope for the Best. BUT Toyota had better get their fannys in gear and fix these problems that "Don't exist" or their well deserved repution for ABSOLUTY DEPENDABLE CARS has to take a hit at some point in time, even with the "unseeing"
    Yesterdy I was given an ES300 to drive while they were putting on a REAL paint stripe ...... It was almost dangerous to drive because of the worst case of "doesn't exist" that I have yet to
    see. Salesman said " It must be one of the older loaners because that problem had been fixed"
  • cafpafcafpaf Posts: 65
    I just want to throw in my two cents regarding the passenger airbag light. As long as an Adult over 65 or 75 pounds is in the seat the light is constantly ON. If someone lighter and presumable smaller is in the seat the light will not illuminate. For safety reasons such a smaller person or child should ride in the rear seat. The light is strictly controlled by the weight of the person and not how they may be sitting in the seat.
  • beetle1beetle1 Posts: 5
    For pictures of the "center" mounted XM ant. see Msg 2192. This is what I had done. On my Phantom Grey Pearl exterior the black box in that location looks fine
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    Go buy an Infiniti M45 or BMW 545 or for that matter any other car that "does not have the problem." This car clearly doesnt suit your driving style. There are plenty of other cars to choose from. Since you don't own the car, complaining about it is a moot point.
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