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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon



  • "power driver's seat cushion length adjuster".


    The sophisticated options just get better and better.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    Ahhhhh, but it's all in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?


    #1005 by bluesman3 Jan 15, 2005 (5:41 pm)

    I think it's a great package but "drop dead gorgeous" and the Avalon don't fit in the same sentence....


  • bklynguybklynguy Posts: 275
    Based on that review (which could have been a little more detailed), we may have another Sienna on our hands.
  • sortersorter Posts: 146
    Can anyone confirm are those real wood interior?


    The limited and ES330 (with HID, VSC, Heat Seat, Wood Steering Wheel) are about the same price. How to justify Avalon over ES?
  • future1future1 Posts: 103
    The limited and ES330 (with HID, VSC, Heat Seat, Wood Steering Wheel) are about the same price.


    The Edmunds' True Market Value is actually $1,000 higher for Limited with VSC -- $35,230 (includes the destination charge and assumes that the Avalon will sell at MSRP) vs. $34,270 for the ES330 equipped as you specified.


    I think it comes down to what you value more -- Avalon has got a more powerful engine and is larger. ES330 has got a better brand name and service. A comparative test drive will settle the rest. No matter what, I expect the theme "What's better, ES330 or Avalon Limited?" to be persistent in the discussions to come.
  • "What's better, ES330 or Avalon Limited"

    When you think about it, it's the brand name you're buying. Say you want to buy a fully loaded, $65,000, Land Cruiser or a $30,000 IS. It is a 50/50 decision. But in the end, which would you want to say, "I drive a Toyota" or "I drive a Lexus"
  • pmcb48pmcb48 Posts: 192
    In 1993 when I owned a LS400 their "in house" literature (which my Lexus dealer let me read) said the typical LS400 owner was a CEO earning about $180,000 per year. I was a Navy physician earning significantly less, but working through a midlife crisis. After my first $400 routine service at 7500 miles, I realized most Lexus owners might be paying the same amount of money as I was, but percentage wise a lot less of their discretionary income than I was; I decided to sell the Lexus and spend the extra money on raising my general quality of life. Not sure what the Platinum 7 yr/100K 0 Deductible extended warranty for the Avalon will be (it was $900 for a $38K Sienna), but for the ES330 it is (per the Lexus web site) $1825. You're paying a lot extra for the Lexus "sizzle"; the steak (Toyota vs Lexus) is much the same. For myself, I chose saying "I drive a Toyota" while eating steak at a restaurant vs "I drive a Lexus" while eating meat loaf at home! :-)
  • sortersorter Posts: 146
    Well, in this case, the price between ES and Avalon Limited is about the same (ES is actually more MSRP if you equip it with the LV sound system, but actual price should be close), so you are not saving any $ for your meal. Of course, you are giving up the Horse Power, Rear Room for the ES(basically a luxury Camry) but gaining in the Lexus name and a little longer warranty. Styling wise, I like the ES better than anything Toyota/Lexus has to offer for interior. For exterior, they are both conservative. I love the Pearl Paint color, which Avalon offer and ES doesn't.

    Next ES should be out this time next year, however pricing might be higher and start to pull away from Avalon with more luxury feature than today.
  • pmcb48pmcb48 Posts: 192
    Part of my point was that anything "Lexus" costs more than the same thing "Toyota". With specific reference to the ES330 $1000 more for the same extended warranty vs the probable Avalon price. Just like 25 years ago a Porsche turn signal flasher was $12, while the same part with a VW logo on it was $3. Same with service charges. Over the long run, the ES330 would cost you more to own than the Avalon.
  • I would say I drive a Land Cruiser - people know the difference b/w a souped up Corolla and the best SUV on the market.
  • In my opinion I would purchase the fully loaded Avalon Limited for approx. $38k. When purchasing the ES330 you are getting a weaker engine, throttle and transmission issues, and a much higher cost of ownership. All of this for having "Lexus" on the front of the car. Did I mention that it costs $120 for an oil change at your local Lexus dealer, while at Toyota it costs about $28. Of course you may get a nice service area that has a cappucino machine and gourmet snacks, but you have already paid for this "treatment" with your overpriced service appointment. Last but not least I currently own a Lexus, and I am definitely waiting for the new Avalon, it is better than the ES330 and overall costs less with more options. If the new Avalon had a Lexus symbol on it you probably would be spending about $5-$7k more. Test drive both cars and see which one you like best, both cars appeal to the same potential consumer. Good Luck!! I will most likely purchase the Limited in early summer when hopefully some decent discounts will be given off MSRP.
  • mcardlemcardle Posts: 36
    Like you, I am interested in a Limited without laser or nav (just VSC). 2 questions:


    - did you get the VSC?


    - did they give you any idea about the cars that are going to be coming in, and how they are going to be optioned up? Meaning, anything about how most of the Limiteds are going to have EVERYTHING, and you were lucky to get one like that?


    I have heard stories/ rumors that for the first several months it's impossible to get one close to fully loaded, without going all the way. That extra $3,000 for nav and laser doesn't sound worth it to me.
  • What's up with Edmunds website? Of late, it either does not work at all, or is painfully slow. Anyone else experiencing this?
  • sortersorter Posts: 146
    What is the difference between a XLS with JBL and Limited then? HID and Rear Shade?
  • cove148cove148 Posts: 117
    Same here. What I have been doing is going in through "smart shopper" then putting in the model/make, it always works and right now is a lot faster, guess Edmunds is still working the bugs on their upgrade.
  • The Avalon lost me with this redesign. Two things led me to my 2001 Avalon -- a large trunk and the bench seat. While waiting for the 2005 Avalon, I bought a 2004 Deville, which has all the gadgets which the new Avalon has. Guess I'll stick with it. A 14.4 trunk won't handle the golf clubs or friends wheel chair.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    agree. For about the past week it has been painfully slow and almost not worth trying to access items here. I assume that this has something to do with their new "Inside Line"; however, it would be nice if the board hostess would address this for us and give us some indication as to when they think they will have it corrected. Thanks! :)
  • pmcb48pmcb48 Posts: 192
    Also on Limited: "wood"/leather trimmed steering wheel, extendable driver's seat cushion, side mirrors with LED turn signal and pond lights, and sound-insulated windshield.
  • tassotasso Posts: 33
    1. Yes I got the VSC.


    2. Yes, they have a blue Limited coming in with VSC (live in snow country South Dakota). The first two are Limiteds with option B (vsc). They only have two on the rooster. Never with options C (dynamic cruise, vsc), option D (vsc, nav) Option E(laser cruise,nav vsc). Out here nav is not useful, but the screens are nice for XM radio display. Simply, I think most will be option B.


    I am very excited to get black with ivory. Anyone want a mint 18000 mile LOADED Denali 2003?


    On another subject, as a physician in a modest size town (160000) I prefer not to drive a "lexus" etc, it fits the stereotype too much. But I love to be able to say I drive a GM or Toyota when patients make comments about my "BMW" etc. Depends on the image you want to project, and each of us has a certain preference.

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