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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon

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  • Does anyone know how to remove the Toyota emblem from the trunk of a 2006 Avalon
  • rpfingstenrpfingsten Posts: 154
    For years, the only tire I would put on a car were Michelins.. I always got between 60 and 70K on a set of tires, but then again, I always keep my air pressure up to spec and rotate my tires regularly. Anyway a couple of years back I went to my local Gateway tire store to get another set of Michelins when the store owner ( and my next door neighbor ) urged me to try a set of Toyo's.. Reluctantly I agreed since he told me if I didn't like them I could I could bring them back and exchange them for my Michelins. Never had to go back.. Sweet riding tires, good traction on wet surfaces and saved about 150 bucks to boot. I still like Michelins, but I can't knock the toyo. Goodyear on the other hand, forgetaboutit... Never had a set of Goodyears that ever gave me the durability of a Michelin or Toyo tire. JMO

    Roland
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    had always avoided Toyos simply because I thought that what they made (aka Proxes etc) were lower mileage summer and more 'performance oriented' tires- not something I needed to put on an Avalon. What actually got me to look at them was an ad and had a very hard time finding them - in a really big city just after they came out about a year ago. Finally got a hold of the local distributor (the big chains NTB/Discount etc had never heard of them) and he set me up thru a smaller retailer - paid $400.00 for the set (all inclusive) for the Versados in 235/50 as I mentioned. Like them quite a bit even compared to those noisier Michelins 'Energys' that came on the car.-
    That said those Michelins were probably the best set of OEM tires I've had in years after some bad experiences with some OEM Bridgestone Turanzas on a Nissan. The Altima got a set of Michelin Hydroedges which are wearing like iron, but are noisy. The Michelins on the Avalon probably would have passed inspection for another year, they are good tires. They had 48k on them but I have found over the years that tires will generally need to be replaced well before they wear down to the tread depth indicators.Today, after 25k (and 3 rotations/balances) the Versados still look new and good on the car - I try to keep them at 32 psi.
    The Versados I would recommend - but they will cost almost a full MPG in FE vs. those OEM Michelins, given they are wider tires with a bit more rubber on the road. Small price to pay for the smooth quiet ride they deliver along with sone really good 'wet' behavior as well. Can't say much about the frozen stuff, don't have that down here in Texas. You didn't say whether your Toyo were the Versados or a different one.
  • rewoprewop Posts: 35
    Thanks to all who have made suggestions and comments. So far there are 4 tires currently in the running; Toyo Versado (suggested on this board), Yokohama AVID recommended by Tirerack.com (they do not sell Toyo tires), and the Falken Ziex and Nitto Neo Gen (both recommended by Consumer Reports). Based upon CR info, the Nitto seems to be the best value at $92.00 and lots of half-red dots in the rating categories. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be available in the Avalon tire size.

    The Falken Ziex is rated number 1 by CR, costs 123.00, but only has a "good" rating for noise and ride, with a "fair" rating for tread life, but scores high in braking on wet and dry pavement. Versado ranks high with captain2, costs about $130.00, but I'm a little concerned about the drop in fuel economy reported by captain2. I think gas prices are only going up.

    So, at the moment, I'm leaning towards the Yokohama AVID (about $130.00) based on its high rating with Tirerack and the hope that it is as good as the Versado but without the fuel economy penalty. I will still churn through the internet for a few days to see if there are any other highly rated all season tires that would worth considering.

    If there are any other thoughts or suggestions on tires, please let me know.

    rewop
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 586
    My tire experience is mostly Michelin MXV's and all good. Multiple cars over the last 14 years. They get a little slippery as they wear but are still among the best tires on the road, all things considered. If Michelin has a problem, it's price.

    Have used Toyos twice. Better handling by far as others have mentioned. I posted once before that car feels like it's on rails compared to Michelin. Firmer in the corners and you can really notice it. Downside, you give up the a little ride comfort. Gas/tire mileage was the same but these were Proxes, not the latest Toyos.

    Have a friend with two Acuras, he uses Yoko's and is very happy. Sporty ride compared to Avalons. Falken is not a tire to put on any Avalon for the long term (from my tire guy) and the Nitto is not available apparently. Good luck! :)
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Use some thin fishing line and run it through the back of the emblem. Kind of like flossing. The emblems are glued on.
    Mack
  • rpfingstenrpfingsten Posts: 154
    Captain2.. thanks for the reply.. my toyo's were not Versados.. To be honest with you now, I can't recall the actual model of toyo tires I had. That was about 5 years ago and no longer have that car. My son actually went to work for a tire company in sales after he graduated from college, and he told me that the Toyo's were just as good as the Michelins I used to buy, but that the Michelins gave you a softer ride because the side walls on those tires were not as strong as the sidewalls on the toyos. I don't know about all that, I tend to think it h as alot to do with the compound used... the harder the compound, the higher the tread life, but the harder the ride.. I believe my toyo's were rated at 100K for tread life..Like I said, good tire, good blend of tread life and comfort, but I still think the Michelins give the "best" ride. By the way, see that we're "nearly" neighbors. We're from Shreveport, La, just about 40 minutes from the texas line.

    Roland
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I've had in years after some bad experiences with some OEM Bridgestone Turanzas on a Nissan

    Hey Cap, what kind of mileage did you get out of those Turanzas? I only have a little over 20K on my Av with these tires and I am wondering if they are going to make it to the end of my lease with around 32K. I rotate every 5K and keep them inflated. They are noisy, not that great of traction and are wearing like crap. I will make sure my next car does not have them. My 2000 Solara had the Potenza line on it, and while grippy went back off lease with 27K down to the wear indicators.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • jlsextonjlsexton Posts: 301
    Both my wifes Mazdas came with Bridgestone and barely lasted 20,000 miles. They are suppossed to be performance tires and almost everything you buy for these 17 & 18 inch wheels cost a lot have small sidewalls and do not run as well in my opinion as a 70 series on a 14 inch. What sense does it make to have a larger rim with a smaller tire, it seems to me the radius might just turn out to be the same without the soft ride. She hit a small pothole, destroyed the rim and wait till you have to buy one and you will understand my reasoning, a $125 tire versus a $400 rim.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    to further comment on the FE 'issue' - if you reference the CR tire tests you'll note that one of the things that they rate is 'rolling resistance' and some tire at better than others. The Michelin 'Energys' that come on Avalons do rate well in that regard which only makes sense because Toyota is trying to maximize FE and Michelin designed that tire to maximize FE. The 235/50/17 Versados I used I'm guessing have a nominally higher 'rolling resistance' and are also wider than the 215/55/17s the came off of it.
    The point of this being - that if a mpg or so of FE is that important to you, you might want to check on any tire's rolling resistance as well as stick with the same size -so you don't increase road friction with a wider tire -- you may find that whatever you buy Yokos/Falkens whatever, may do the same thing. BTW the 3/4 of a mpg that I think (I do keep track of it that closely) I'm losing translates into about 3 gallons of gas more/month driving about 2000 miles/month. That $10/mo. IMO well worth it in the ride and noise depts.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    Bridgestones IMO are no better than the Firestone tires they once were. They do supply a lot of OEM sets to various mfgrs., and in my last 4 cars that came with them not a one made it past about 30k
    got right at 30k with those tires on an 03 Altima (also 215/55/17) but they started having problems (leaks etc} 10k before that, and were also not wearing well, despite alignments/balancing etc.
    IMO any decent OEM tire that is not a 'performance summer' tire (the type of tire you wouldn't put on an Avalon anyway) should provide 50k of service reasonably well maintained. The Michelin 'Energys' although I did replace them at 48k could have made it safely probably thru 60k safely - but as they get 'old' I notice losses in wet weather tration etc. so I tend to replace them faster than really necessary. All in all, I think the Michelins are good tires even if they are a bit hard and noisy and I love my new Versados - don't know anything specific on the Avalon Bridgestones only that set that was on my wife's Altima and a coupla other cars I owned previously.
  • I followed the Captain and installed 235/50/17 Toyo Versado all-weather last December.

    I now have comparable FE data for winter months of 3 consecutive years, the first 2 with the original Michelins and the latest with the Versados.

    Dec 05 - Mar 06 4838 km 634 liters 13.1 liters/100km = 17.9 mpg

    Dec 06 - Mar 07 3986 km 541 liters 13.6 liters/100km = 17.3 mpg

    Dec 07 - Mar 08 3856 km 497 liters 12.9 liters/100km = 18.2 mpg

    So winter driving FE with the Versado was no worse, and possibly a little better than with the Michelins. My driving in Vancouver includes 50% city streets, 30% hills and only 20% highways, most of the time in rain and for 1-3 weeks in snow/ice (this winter was the worst one).

    The Versado are certainly quiet, grip well in wet pavement and did fine on snow and ice. I really like the wider tread.
  • rewoprewop Posts: 35
    Thanks for the hard data, havalongavalon. For the first time I noticed that you and the captain installed a tire with different dimensions than OEM, i.e., 235/50 vs. 215/55. What's the difference in the 235/50 tire? Smaller than OEM, larger? Why change and what's the benefit? Does it change the speedo reading or other factors?

    Thanks for your help,

    Rewop
  • rewop,

    235/50/17 was the Captain's idea, see his original post #13673 and fin's #13674.

    The 235/50 tire fits the OEM rims fine, also has the same outside circumference as 215/55, but is a bit wider. It has more rubber in contact with the road, and I also think it looks better.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    havalongavalon - maybe I'm just imagining the FE because even though I'm 'anal' about the wonderful FE we get on our Avs, I don't do the record keeping that you apparently do. I get a lot of highway in my normal driving and was regularly seeing about 27mpg, lately its been just barely over 26, or maybe I'm just 'enjoying' the car a little more since putting on the 'snazzy' tires ;) You must not get out of town much to be seeing those kinda numbers? Down here in Texas we have no hills and lots of straight flat highways (that all move at 75-80 mph until you get to the populated areas). Either way I'm pleased that you are apparently as happy as I am with the Versados.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    this is easy enough to figure out yourself - the first number 235 is the tire width (in millimeters) at the sidewalls (close to what the tread width is), the second number 'aspect ratio' is the percentage the tire height is of the width, the last of corse, the wheel diameter (in inches). So to figure out your wheel diameter (in millimeters) - ((235*.5)*2) +(17*25.4) = 666.8 mm tire/wheel diameter for 235/50/17 compared to ((215*.55)*2)+(17*25.4) = 668.3 mm for 215/55/17 The difference 1.5 millimeter is obviously inconsequential and would have no real effect on speedometers etc, it is when that numbers changes a bunch (maybe 10-20%) that you have to more careful of because not only can spedometers etc. be remdered inaccurate but it also is possible to adversely effect the vehicles ride and even worse braking. The change from 215/55 to 235/50 does put about 20mm (3/4") more tread on the road - and it does have a more 'aggressive' look than the OEMs, IMO, and I suppose it certainly can't hurt to have the extra 'rubber on the road'. .
    This size change, 215/55 to 235/50, is referred to as 'plus 0' sizing and is generally a good idea with any car as long as there is enough wheel well clearance for the wider tire. Note that this can be done with anybody's tire, it just so happened that the Versado was available in the 235/50/17 that I wanted.

    PS - I believe you'll find that your Avys speedometer is right on the number, but also that your odometers read about 3% low - meaning that if you are using odometer readings as a basis for your FE calculations, your FE will also come out about 3% lower than it actually is. Doesn't sound like much but over the last 70k miles I have found that 3% difference to be right about the same difference there is between the displayed trip computer average FE and my calculated FE - meaning I figure 26.2 MPG using the odometer readings but 27 mpg shows on the trip computer - the trip computer turns out to be right - adjusting the the extra miles driven in my calculations.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    and in my last 4 cars that came with them not a one made it past about 30k

    That's what I thought, hopefully I can squeeze 32 - 33K out of them and let whoever gets the car after me deal with it!

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I tend to believe all the OEM tires that are on new cars last 30k or less miles if it's a performance tire. All my new cars tires lasted around 30k.
    Mack
  • captain,

    I do record km and liters at fillups. I had forgotten about the 3% odometer correction, so then my winter FE averaged closer to 18.7 mpg. I consider this really good, because sadly, most of my driving is stop/go city/suburban, with only a few stretches where traffic moves as fast as 50-65 mph (but this gives better FE than 75-80). When on a level highway my FE has been as good as 5.5 liters/100 km (43 mpg) but as soon as I start driving up a steep hill the FE plummets, of course.

    And traffic here is slower than ever, with multiple construction sites in preparation for the 2010 Olympics and steady population growth. Highways such as the 99 to Whistler or the TransCanada are usually clogged or interrupted by construction by-passes. There is not much opportunity to get on a reasonably long stretch of open road unless you drive out of town for a good hour or more -- and then it will probably be a mountain road with steep hills and curves! Most of British Columbia is just not meant for high FE.

    My next car will probably by a hybrid to take advantage of this terrain and my usual routes. I imagine that a hybrid Avalon will be available by the time I'm ready to trade my 05. But in the meantime, for the conditions here, I am happy with the FE I'm getting.
  • jlsextonjlsexton Posts: 301
    I had 50,000 on my Camry with probably another 5000 before they really needed changing, these were OEM Dunlops, great in almost all weather. So I bought another set and my daughter is still on them at near 90,000 miles of course these were 70 series on 14 inch wheels, in my opinion a much better setup for comfort and tire longevity.
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