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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon

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  • tweakertweaker Posts: 30
    jeffcarp, do you recommend the Garmin 2610 over the Magellan Roadmate 500? I too left off the factory Nav and plan to purchase a portable for the same reasons as you list.
    Thanks
  • jeffcarpjeffcarp Posts: 7
    I have never owned a Magellan but research this stuff regularly (I am a technology consultant). I have always owned Garmin's and have very, very little complaints about them. There are nice things about the Magellan, no question. Do NOT make the mistake of ordering one without seeing it in person. They are very different sizes and form factors. The remote control on the Garmin is irreplaceable to me. You can sit comfortably back in your seat with the Garmin tucked up on your dash and use it without touching the screen. Great feature. The maps both come from the same source. Garmin's map update cycle is 12 to 18 months, at which case you drop another $150 for maps, same as Magellan. One issue that I don't like about the Magellan, at least my last understanding of the issue, was that Magellan had to be used with "certified" memory cards, i.e., you had to buy them from them! Garmin uses stock CompactFlash that you can pick up anywhere. Better product or not, I just don't like doing business that way. And the Magellan, in my opinion, isn't a better device to justify supporting that business model.
  • jeffcarpjeffcarp Posts: 7
    If I remember right from my test drive (my car is still 3 weeks out), there are 2 12VDC ports in the Avalon, both in the center console (one in the large compartment and one in the small compartment). Is that right? My question is, if I remember the way the large compartment closed, it was a hinge condition where the lid dropped down and latched. Is it possible to plug into the 12VDC port, run a small cord out of the large compartment but still get the lid to latch on the cord? I am trying to figure out how to get the kids DVD player to power up for a long road trip coming up. My GPS will take the port in the small compartment, and I remember how that one worked with the lid opening sideways.

    Any thoughts?
  • jj kellyjj kelly Posts: 8
    yes bottom line
  • Great job jj
    Wher did you buy it and what color did you get Good luck with your new car!
  • johnijohni Posts: 43
    I didn't know that the defrosters were beefed up.

    http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/05avalon.htm
  • boatsmanboatsman Posts: 37
    Yes as it says in the manual this is intentional to help reduce the buffeting noise at some speeds.
  • psypsy Posts: 122
    Nice feed back on the nav's. I think honda/acura have nailed nav down pretty good. I just spoke with a buddy that has a g35 with nav. Hes not happy with his at all. The protables seem nice and being able to move them from car to car has its advantages.

    I think Im going to look into a small windows ce handheld or very small tablet computer and gps options. I know this can be done alot cheaper than a factory nav and be much more useful and hidden under the arm rest. Hide the gps unit in a out of sight area and cable it up to the computer of choice.

    I know alot of people are doing this to the gm system... northstar. They unhook the gps unit from the near worthless northstar unit, then they change the pinout and plug to fit there laptop or machine of choice.

    This will give one all sorts of options, with the right cell company there could be your moble internet connect, dvd play back and all sortd of goodies. In the Tulsa area I could even do a wireless connect with cherokee wireless.

    Being a computer geek of sorts,, this could be big fun!!!

    psy
  • ronharvronharv Posts: 51
    A couple of weeks ago I grumbled about my inability to avoid a slight jerk from a standing stop on an XL I test drove. Then a week later on a test drive with a different '05 Avalon the initial acceleration was as consistently smooth as on my own '03 XL. My conclusion was that different Avalons will feature their own characteristics, so buyers should test drive before signing the final papers. Now from canadiandriver.com I read: "My only complaint with this engine is that there is almost too much torque on take-off, and without the optional traction control . . . it's easy to spin the front tires, particularly on wet or slippery surfaces." This driver apparently experienced what I did on my first test drive. But I probably found it a lot more annoying than he did, enough so that if the Avalon I ordered replicates my first test drive, I won't accept it, mainly because what I so much enjoy about my '03 is its smoothness in so many respects.
  • abfischabfisch Posts: 591
    Prime Time:

    I could be wrong but go again to that site, click on winter tires and then see if they try to sell you steel wheels. I do remember them doing this and it is in their own interest as well.

    Alternatively, call your local Toyota dealership, albeit very expensive, and ask them how much a Toyota (not really made by Toyota but OEM) steel wheel would cost for your Avalon.

    In addition, do a search on ebay. I am sure you will turn up steel wheels in 16" diameter, not sure about 17".

    Let me know.

    abfisch
  • barclay3barclay3 Posts: 90
    I bought the Limited with the same options as you and here is what I paid: $33,206 (selling price) + $1,992.36 (PA tax) + $122.50 (tags) for a total of $35,320.86 on a car with a MSRP of $34,929. How did you do it and where did you get it??
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    Did the second Avalon you test drove have traction control ? That might explain the difference in acceleration.
  • douglas1douglas1 Posts: 130
    The dealer just called an my Phantom Gray Limited with graphite interior is here and will be ready to pick up in about an hour. I can't wait. . . . . . .
  • larryt22larryt22 Posts: 125
    Just curious, I have not heard any mention of squeaks and rattles. The 02-05 Camry sedans that are built on the same assembly line have always came with many squeaks and rattles as standard equipment. I figure this must be a design issue or Toyota would have corrected the problem by now. Most of those squeaks and rattles in my 04 Camry seem to be temperature sensative. On a nice warm sunny day, the car is as quiet as can be, but get a cold overcast day, especially when the temperature has quickly dropped, and the car will have 4-5 different, sometimes very obnoxious squeaks and rattles. If you follow the Camry forums, you will notice that the squeaks and rattles get talked about nearly as much as the hesitation problem. Luckily I have never experienced the hestitaion problem, but I put up with the squeaks and rattles pretty consistently during the winter. I just wondered if any of this carries over to the new Avalon platform which is "loosely based" on the 02-05 Camry platform.
  • Thanks for the feedback.

    My past experience with Dealers is that advertising is very negotiable--depending on salesperson, salesmanager, supply, demand, etc. I also have found that if you offer a reasonable amount above dealers invoice, e.g. $1000, the advertising charge will disappear. In otherwords, so long as the final number allows the dealer to make a reasonable profit, he/she won't worry about ancillary charges, e.g advertising.
  • jj kellyjj kelly Posts: 8
    I been going to the same dealer for years, also had a $500.incentive. Color Phantom Gray w/Graphite.
  • I noticed that several persons are negotiating and purchasing on the basis of an amount "below MSRPprice." In my view, a better approach is to check the dealers invoice price--available on Edmunds, Kelly, AAA--and negotiate upwards from there. As an example, the difference between Toyota Limited Dealers Invoice and MSRP is $4026. So if a salesperson offers you $2000 below MSRP, he/she is still making a profit of $2026. Unless you get a really substantial discount from MSRP, I think you are better off working from Dealers Invoice.

    I'd be interested in other views.
  • manatoc5manatoc5 Posts: 19
    I have owned the 2005 Avalon LTD for a week. If you work with the average mpg digital read out on the dash, you can average 25-26 mpg between highway and city. But, this is accomplished by EPA Guidelines, drive 55 on expressway and dont gun it in city driving. I filled up 3 days ago and between city and highway about 50/50 equal,
    and 1/3 tank used I average 26 mpg so far
  • mikerochmikeroch Posts: 69
    According to the brochure we got the other day, there are two interior colours available in the XLS - Graphite and Ivory.

    I think the one we test drove was the darker (although not dark), more grey Graphite colour (the exterior was black), and that the "Ivory" was lighter and a bit closer to a "tannish" colour.

    Maybe dshimkat if you would post some pics of your Ivory interior, it would help me.

    Thanks again,
    Mikeroch
  • williamtwilliamt Posts: 39
    "Most of those squeaks and rattles in my 04 Camry seem to be temperature sensative. On a nice warm sunny day, the car is as quiet as can be,"

    That is one of the few complaints I have had about my '02 XL Avalon. There is a buzz in the dashboard area on cold days, until the interior gets really warmed up. It mostly occurs during start and low-speed acceleration, and is not very loud. Mostly it's just a curiosity, particularly given that Toyota is so good at careful design and construction. I hope my new Limited doesn't do that, but we'll see (at least three more weeks to go...I am getting impatient).
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    Just returned from my local Toyota dealership where I was able to sit inside a new Avalon XLS but was not able to test drive the car due to the fact the dealer had only the one display car on the showroom floor and none available for driving. I was able to test the JBL Synthesis system and the navigation system.

    Generally, the fit and finish of the car were good but there were a few significant interior disappointments. One of the "little doors" which conceal the audio and navigation controls, specifically the lower one containing the navigation controls, did not work in that it would not open without pushing/tapping it numerous times and even then would not completely open without manually being pulled forward. I can see where these things are going to be problematical. Ergonomically, I do not like them as they delay access to vital controls, especially if they do not work properly.

    On the subject of the navigation system, the screen is too small, does not have a touch screen function, is non-intuitive and generally is inferior to some others on the market, particularly that on the Acura TL.

    As for the JBL Synthesis audio system, while not a bad system it is also not an exceptional one. The speaker clarity could be better and the "surround sound" digital signal processing feature in my opinion does not compare to a true 5.1 surround system. I was generally disappointed in the quality of the audio and expected better.

    Otherwise, the interior is a pleasant place to be.

    As the model choices for the Avalon in Canada do not include the Limited, a number of the interesting and useful features of that car are simply not available, such as the laser cruise control, acoustic windshield, ventilated front seats with driver's seat cushion extension, power rear sunshade, and the Smart Key system. HID headlamps are not available on the XLS, although they are on the Touring model, but then you lose both the vehicle stability control and the traction control. What Toyota could have been thinking when they omitted these essential safety features from the Touring model I do not know.

    Price wise, both the Touring and XLS models are overpriced when compared to their US counterparts when taking into consideration the exchange rates in the two currencies. The comparably equipped XLS is US$34,430 which is at current exchange rates, the equivalent of CDN$42,460. Yet, the Canadian XLS retails for CDN$46,825, which is more than four thousand Canadian dollars more! To my thinking, this is an excessive differential.
  • buckeye6buckeye6 Posts: 8
    I was very dissappointed with my XLS because of road noise. Yesterday, I had it undercoated/soundproofed(their terminology). It did work. Helped a bunch. I am much happier now. Cost $168.54. Worth it to me. Still need to work on wind noise, but the dealer will handle that.

    Just threw this in to let you know, there is help available.
  • star51star51 Posts: 17
    http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2005/toy- - ota.avalon/05.toyota.avalon.bdg.500.jpg

    In the above photo (front view of 2005 Avalon), what is the black rectangular shape next to the fog lamp on the passenger side? Note it is only on this side of the car.
  • tassotasso Posts: 33
    Yes you can, as I do the same thing for my sons dvd player. It will latch shut.

    WOW stopped by our Toyota dealer in SD. I bought the first Avalon in SD 3 weeks ago. They got 2 in last week - already sold and gone. They have pre-sold over 80% of their next allocation, and they say they are primarily selling LTDs. They have a black touring on the floor. They sold a grey one last week. I loved the gunmetal exterior with the grey interior lighter and dark wood. I do not like the black on black on this touring. Remember I choose black on tan in my LTD. I think Tourings and they confirmed it, are selling slower due to lack of heated seats and than lack of VSC.

    Overall, I am happy with my deal.

    Still love this car everyday.

    Why no coin holder?
  • tassotasso Posts: 33
    Opening for laser cruise control.
  • solara00solara00 Posts: 81
    I don't know, but I wonder if it is the sensor for the Dynamic Laser Cruise Control? I think Toyota has a little video clip showing the sensor sweeping the area in front of the car to determine when to slow down or speed up based upon the distance to the car in front of you.

    Admittedly, I'm just guessing.
  • solara00solara00 Posts: 81
    Thanks Tasso, your answer came through before I posted my guess.
  • I want to thank everyone who posted in response to me previously. I just wanted to share my experiences from the No. VA area.

    First I was shopping for a limited, and the dealership had the color I wanted Phantom Grey. It looks great in that color. However, a few things.

    1. I test drove the car and pick up was smooth and fluid. On a real curvey road (Lots of S turns, I found for me I had to watch out because the car was so floaty/responsive, based on what I was used to, that it was easy for me to over steer.

    2. The NAV system was less than desirable. You had to keep hitting control buttons on the console to direct input and selection on the screen. The NAV had trouble in finding Columbia SC, and reported it with a region name in paren's, and it took the salesman an I about 10 minutes to realize you had to select the little tab arrow to scroll the line over to see the state.

    3. The price for the car was 37,500.00 no deals no reduction. With state tax it would have come in delivered at 39,000.00. I asked the dealer if he would take a deposit and hold it over night until I could make it back with my wife.
    He said I would have to buy the car, and then if my wife did not want it they would refund my money because I had a 3 day return right.

    I left and went down the road to the acura dealership and test drove the TL. It certainly had a different feel, and though responsive did not have that floatyness of the Avalon.

    Also the difference in the NAV is night and day, touch screen, easy controls, found Columbia SC right away. Mapped a different route, 1 hour shorter than the Avalon, the NAV was was thumbs up better. Price delivered with tax, 35000.00

    In thinking about it I did not need rain sensitive wipers, or a electronic shade screen for the back window, or enhanced lighting around the moonroof. All things considered the sound system was comparable. Very comfortable, but not as roomy in the back, or trunk.

    My earlier question about the size of the Avalon, In a back up test, I did find that with my reduced depth perception it was a problem. Luckily I stopped just short of breaking out a window panel of the show room.

    As you can guess I went with the Acura. It had proven quality, and fit me better. This forum definitely helped and I thank everyone for their posts.
  • star51star51 Posts: 17
    Thanks, Tasso and Solara00. Hope for the 2006 model they'll consider putting it in the center for better symmetry.
  • Does this include tax? Do you have dynamic cruise, navigation, and velocity stabilization?

    Thanks,

    pricecutter
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