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2005-2007 Toyota Avalon

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  • coug2coug2 Posts: 34
    Hello Folks -

    My wife wants a new car and test drove the 04 Avalon yesterday. Any advice on whether we should wait for the 05 to come out? I liked the 04 - especially the room. Nonetheless, I would prefer to have a "newer" model, everything else equal. I'm also concerned about buying a car in the first model year. I did, however, buy the first Sequoia our dealership had (but that was basically a Tundra underneath).

    Any comments?
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    So...does anyone have any "secret" embargoed pics??? :-P just wondering...
  • fatguycarfatguycar Posts: 38
    While anything is possible in the first year of a new model, there will be a lot of Camry and Lexus 330 in the new Avalon.

    And I'm sure there will be something in the '05 you wish you had.
  • solara00solara00 Posts: 81
    I was pretty upbeat thinking that the link my Toyota salesman gave me might show something close to what the 05 Avalon would be like and look like. He said this was the picture and link given to the dealerships at their September 03 meeting in reference to the coming Avalon.

    But the more I look into this (and possibly wait until 05 for the new Avalon), the more I think this is bad info.

    From what I read the Crown Concept is more what the next generation of Lexus will be, not the Avalon. I also read that the Crown sold in Japan is really their top-of-the-line luxury auto, aka Lexus, not a high-end Toyota.

    So all that that link referred to may have more to do with the 06 GS Lexus than the 05 Avalon. While I think the 05 Avalon may be worth the wait, I'm not sure it will be a radical change from what the current model is. I hope I'm wrong.

    Can anyone confirm that the Toyota Crown is more Lexus than Avalon?
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    "From my understanding, the Toyota Crown is the japanese version of the Lexus LS 430."

    This is not true. The Japanese version of the LS has always been the Celsior. Starting in a few years this will change as all Lexus models will be Lexuses in Japan and elsewhere as they get redesigned.

    Also, the Crown has nothing to do with Lexus. All future Lexus models will use the new Lexus-specific exterior styling (which the Crown does not have) and will be badged as Lexus worldwide, even in Japan (again, the Crown does not have). So far, the only vehicles shown to the public that have this styling are the LF-S concept sedan, LF-X crossover concept and next-generation GS production car. The coupe concept to be shown at the NY Auto Show will be the next in line.
  • sadlermdsadlermd Posts: 8
    Solara00:

    I want to believe the reason Toyota currently displays the Crown Concept on their website is because it is in fact the replacement for the Avalon!

    Your message has given me hope...

    http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/crown.html
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    If that is the new avalon... then IMO toyota has another hit on its hands.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    Doubt it since the Crown shares most parts with the GS, it would eat into sales.
  • andy71andy71 Posts: 96
    The Crown is RWD not FWD.
  • sadlermdsadlermd Posts: 8
    I suspect that BMW, Acura, Mercedes, Nissan, Infiniti, etc. would also feel a bite in their sales as well :-)
  • fatguycarfatguycar Posts: 38
    I notice here that several people base their ideas on the new Avalon with what Toyota has already done.

    With respect, I think that this is not a good indicator of the future. I have finished reading The Toyota Way, which is a business book on the principles of Toyota. There are two chapters at the beginning of the book that talk about the genesis of the original Lexus 400 and of the Prius.

    What I get from the chapter on the Prius is that it was a test for making Toyotas for the new century. We know for sure that there is a (relatively) large hybrid engine on the way for at least the Lexus 330. My impression is that Toyota is about to change from a relatively conservative car maker into one distinguished by its advanced technology.

    When you consider how much each Toyota car depends on another, the likely outcome is that things will change quickly. I would not be very surprised if the Toyota line-up for 2007 is considerably different from what they have now.
  • solara00solara00 Posts: 81
    I guess we'll all just have to wait for 9 months. I will say if the 05 Avalon is anything like the Toyota link describing the Crown Concept, then I'd be very interested.

    I like the looks better and the new features, if available, would make this a car worth of consideration.

    I hadn't heard of the Celsior, so I guess I'll have to look that up.
  • teereevesteereeves Posts: 69
    The Crown Concept's innovative styling and superior driving performance makes a shift in the Crown's concept of being "stationary" to being "active," raising the traditional feeling of hospitality to the world's highest level so as to propose the ideal for a next-generation luxury class sedan.

    Key words are: "to propose the ideal for a next-generation luxury class sedan"

    Those words points to the fact that 05/06 Avalon is not the Crown Concept. The Avalon is not a luxury car, unless Toyota has plans to move it into the $40K and up market.
  • warakawaraka Posts: 10
    teereeves wrote
    The Avalon is not a luxury car, unless Toyota has plans to move it into the $40K and up market

    Teereeves, I disagree, the Avalon XLS is a luxury car at a budget price. Compared to pretenders like the Volvo S-80, Saab 9-5, Infinti M45 and Acura RL the Avalon is a genuine luxury car. It is a poor man's Lexus or to say it differently, it is a Lexus with a Toyota badge.

    In terms of evolution, Toyota should make only incremental changes. For example, a sleeker externior design, a better and more intuitive NAV system, thicker glass windows, a five-speed automatic transmission system at 250 hp and 17-inch tire option.

    Toyota should resist adding those superfluous gadgets that adds to cost but not to function or performance such as rear-wheel drive, HID lights and all-wheel drive.
  • teereevesteereeves Posts: 69
    I agree that the Avalon can be viewed as a poor man's Lexus LS. I have always viewed the Avalon that way, that is why I bought one several years ago.

    But here is were I disagree, the auto industry sedan classifications are Family, Upscale, Large, and Luxury. The Avalon is considered a Large sedan, not an Upscale or Luxury sedan. I love the Avalon, but I can't see Toyota packing the Crown Concept features in the next redesigned Avalon without increasing the price dramatically.

    Definitely, the look of the interior and exterior of a Large sedan can appear to be luxurious.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    "Compared to pretenders like the Volvo S-80, Saab 9-5, Infinti M45 and Acura RL the Avalon is a genuine luxury car."

    Do you care to elaborate on this? What does the Avalon have that those cars don't? I'm not following your logic here.

    "Toyota should resist adding those superfluous gadgets that adds to cost but not to function or performance such as rear-wheel drive, HID lights and all-wheel drive."

    RWD does not add to the cost of a vehicle, it is simply different than FWD. And RWD definitely adds to performance since it balances the weight of the car, helps "push" you through turns and prevents torque steer during acceleration. You don't need to worry here because the Avalon will stay FWD. As for HID lights and AWD, these are not superfluous gadgets as you call them. They are key safety features and most certainly functional.

    I have HID on my Lexus and have a very hard time driving cars without HID at night (rental cars, my girlfriend's car, etc.). Once you have a car with HID you'll notice how much more you can see and will probably never want to go back to standard headlights again.

    And AWD can be very important when driving in parts of the country that get snow. Further, many times AWD is optional and therefore you only pay for it if you want/need it.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    How are the Infiniti M45, Volvo S40, Saab 9-5, and Acura RL NOT luxury cars?
  • fatguycarfatguycar Posts: 38
    >> It is a poor man's Lexus or to say it differently, it is a Lexus with a Toyota badge.

    Since giving up my Lexus ES300 for an Avalon I've thought a lot about this.

    My overall view is that the two cars are about the same, and I bought the Avalon because I wanted a bigger car (and then I lost 80 pounds, so the extra space wasn't necessary).

    But in terms of what you get, I can see how the Avalon could be Lexus-ized. The Avalon is noisier, and thicker glass and better engine mounts could bring that down. But for some reason there is less wind noise in the Avalon, so just when you think the noise will rise, it stays quiet. But in the Lexus I never noticed engine noise.

    I also think the suspension on the Avalon is a little less refined than the Lexus. We all agree that the Avalon's road-holding could improve. I was often reminded of driving a sports car with the Lexus, but not yet with the Avalon.

    However, all these differences are from someone who was looking hard at the changes. I've never regretted making the move to the Avalon.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Which MY was your last ES? Makes a difference.

    ~alpha
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