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Who can compete with Toyota/Lexus Hybrids?

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  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    does one have when stuck in bumper to bumper, with alternative routes equally bad, parking lots so crowded you lose 10 minutes driving around for a spot, and parking and fuel prices going back and forth like a yoyo?

    For my commute, I walk to the train station at about the same time every day. The train comes about the same time every day. It takes about the same time to get to my destination every day. I have paid $75.00 a month for a rider pass for the last four years. I never have to worry about my car when I am away from it. In short, the level of control excedes driving myself, imo.
  • daysailerdaysailer Posts: 711
    as I said, mass transit is the only rational urban solution. A personal car, as a "pod" or otherwise, still must be parked. And 'urban control' is an oxymoron, which may explain my aversion to cities.

    But we've drifted WAY off-topic. So far, only Honda offers competition to Toyota hybrids, but neither hybrid manufacturer satisfies my needs.
  • daysailerdaysailer Posts: 711
    as early as 1975 my daily driver was more than competitive with the most advanced hybrids:

    0-60mph in under 7 seconds

    65mpg or more in CITY driving

    Traverse terrain more severe than the most rugged SUV could attempt

    commanding view of the road (and everything else) with unobstructed, 360deg visibility.

    outstanding ventillation system

    $800 MSRP in '75
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    for a motorcycle, even in 1975! The price, I mean.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    a Hybrid Motorcycle!
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    the amount of emission alone (which is going to be a big issue)would be a great selling point.
  • daysailerdaysailer Posts: 711
    what does THAT cost?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    hybrid-powered? LOL

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • xcelxcel Posts: 1,025
    Hi All:

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Ford sets a date for HEV Escape

    They begin production in July 2004 and expect to sell between 10,000 and 20,000 units. Based on the way the article is worded, I'm guessing this will be a 2WD only model.
  • "Phil Martens, Ford's group vice president of product creation, said it was necessary for Ford to develop its own hybrid system because it needed hybrid expertise to build even more advanced vehicles in the future, such as hydrogen-powered fuel cell cars.

    While the company considered buying a hybrid system from Toyota, "we didn't want to avoid the process of learning about this technology,"

    Somebody remind the guy that they *are* using Toyota's 1st gen hybrid system as their model for 'developing'? I hope Toyota makes an HSD RAV4 just to Toy with them...
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    LOL!

    I think there is a difference in modeling your engine design after another, and just plain plunking it under the hood. After all, Ford (or maybe Mazda) did have to come up with the 4 cyl that accompanies it.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    one hardly expects to see a hybrid version.
  • Sure is easy to develop when you've already got a working, tried and tested model.
  • Where'd you hear news of that? Wow, I was actually beginning to like the little Ute R' Us...;p
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Edmunds for a while. Believe the more popular Highlander left it as a vehicle without a market.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    There's a rumor that Toyota will be replacing the RAV4 with a more truckish-looking concept that was shown a few months back. It had a futuristic Wrangler/Samurai look to it. I don't think it's been confirmed.

    Toyota is expected the release a hybrid Highlander sometime in the near future. That vehicle isn't really that much different than the Escape. Also, Saturn is supposed to have a hybrid VUE sometime next year. Haven't heard much about it recently, though.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I think the winner of this race will be the first one to market with a hybrid Diesel. People talk 'hybrid' and 'Diesel' as though they are mutually exclusive. One is an electrical assist; the other is a kind of fuel. You can have both under the hood.
  • Hello to all. I am hearing a lot about this Hybrid stuff coming from the Japanese. Namely, Toyota. I don't see what is so speacial about thier hybrid compared to others, like Honda. Am I wrong in saying that? I am very uneducated on Hybrids so I guess I could be wrong.

    A Diesel Hybrid would be great.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    delayed due to problems interfacing electronics between multiple suppliers - story in automotive news this week states they will be in production July 2004. This IS the Toyota hybrid system, but Ford will use its own engines and controllers - seems like RX400H might actually beat it to market, and the hybrid HL may not come after it by much either.

    Toyota has been going back and forth as to just what it will do with the RAV after 2006. It seems inevitable that the HL will have to grow to compete properly with Pilot and the like. It also does not seem likely that Toyota will leave all its cute ute sales (quite substantial) in the hands of the new FJ, which is a two-door BOF trucklet. And now that it uses the same engine as the Camry, maybe it would not even be tht difficult to offer a hybrid RAV after they get the hybrid Camry rolling...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Toyota Prius sales in 2 weeks of October: 4,000+! This easily beats their previous record MONTH (not 2 weeks) by 1,500 units!
     
      The 2004 model has already outsold the Insight FOR THE YEAR!
     
      Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

      drfill
  • I read somewhere that Toyota wanted to add 2 more SUVs to its lineup, one of them being something smaller than the RAV4.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    think of the RAV whenever they think of cute-utes - it has serious brand cachet. It would be short-sighted for them to throw that away. better for them to reduce its size if an even smaller ute is what they want.

    And it really should be the next Toyota to get a hybrid powertrain after HL. Sienna and Camry are supposed to be next after that, but both get better mileage than RAV AWD, and it is a smaller vehicle!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Toyota sells 40,000, 50,000 Prius in 2004? What will other makers do in response?
     
      drfill
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    will speed up their hybrid introductions...and Ford will announce another six month delay in the public intro of the Escape HEV.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    At the current pace, it looks to be an issue of "when", not "if".

    I think the other companies will let fly with a hearty "dangnabbit" and then continue as they have been. It's not like they haven't been trying. They just started too late.
  • Does anybody know when the Lexus hybrid is supposed to go on sale in the US?
    Any other luxury cars with hybrid engines?
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Rx400H is coming November 2004. It may have 350-400HP! At least two electric engines work with a 200Hp gas V6.
       
       So Ford still has time to get the Escape out first. The way things are going though, Ford may just be blowing hot air about a true hybrid. They need 'Yota tech/parts anyway.

       Any Nissan Hybrid will use 'Yota's system.

       drfill
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Got 'em stumped again!

      drfill
  • jbp3jbp3 Posts: 2
    I am new to the board and have enjoyed reading the very literate posts. I am considering a new Prius in the near future. About 3 years ago I read a very small article in the paper stating that Ford, GM and Chrysler formed a consortium to develop Hybrid technology. They received 280 million dollars of our tax money from the Feds. to do so. All we have seen is Chrysler's street legal golf carts. No manufacturer has the reputation for reliability, longevity and low cost of ownership that Toyota and Honda have earned. The Europeans have well designed vehicles but you have to have a triple digit income to repair and maintain them once they are out of warranty. If the Koreans are still around in 7 or 8 years I might have a change of heart about there quality. I just sold my 1990 Toyota Ecab about 2 years ago and it had 463000 miles on it. Other than timing belts, brakes, tune ups and oil changes it did not cost me any other money. The person that bought it is very happy with the truck. My 3/4 Ford is to costly to drive so my daily driver is my 1988 Honda Accord with close to 200,000 miles. Can anybody compete with Toyota? I don't think so.
    John
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