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Infiniti M35/M45 2006+



  • saugataksaugatak Posts: 488
    Well the "cruddy" v8 I was talking about is the one in the Sequoia. I presume it's used in a bunch of their SUVs, but I don't know for sure.

    A friend wanted me to provide the "muscle" to help her pick stuff up from IKEA and she has a Sequoia. She doesn't like to drive so I drove it to IKEA for her and back. Our conversation went something like this:

    Me: "Geez, this car handles like a pregnant cow elephant."

    Her: "It's a full size SUV, what do you expect?"

    Me: "This thing needs a v8."

    Her: "It has a v8."

    Me: "This v8 sucks."

    Her: "Shutup and just lug my furniture."

    I don't understand why Toyota can make such a wonderful 4.0L and 4.3L DOHC v8 for the LS400/430 and GS400/430 and can't do the same for their SUVs, which are bigger sellers. Makes no sense to me.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Pre '98, the Land Cruiser and LX450 were getting buy on a huge 4.5L V6. Toyota has been very hesitant about building a large displacement 8. Why, I dont know. They finally are coming around though, thanks mostly to the Armada\Titan's awesome 5.6L DOHC V8 that takes on the best the domestics have got.
  • saugataksaugatak Posts: 488
    They finally are coming around though, thanks mostly to the Armada\Titan's awesome 5.6L DOHC V8 that takes on the best the domestics have got.

    Not for long. 6.1L Hemi is coming out next year and so is GM's 6.0L LS2 powered trucks. Don't know the stats on the Hemi, but GM's LS2 powered trucks are supposed to make 385 HP and 400 ft-lb of torque.

    I think Ford is making a 6.2L OHC engine called the "Hurricane" as well.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    far from the topic of the M35/M45. Anyone have anything informative/ critical/constructive to say about the cars that we're supposed to be talking about?

  • fugafanfugafan Posts: 6
    I couldn't agree more - I was wondering the same thing myself. Almost decided not to visit this forum any longer as it did not seem to have anything to do with M35/45 discussions.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
    Yeah, I know we've veered off topic - my bad. Hopefully we'll get some more info soon.

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  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    I noticed that Edmunds has a First Drive of the upcoming STS. Any idea if they will have one of the M35/45 and if yes, when?

  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    "far from the topic of the M35/M45. Anyone have anything informative/ critical/constructive to say about the cars that we're supposed to be talking about?"

    Probably a result of zero new info about the 2006 M, official or unofficial, recently. You can now "package" options on their preliminary pricing site.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The problem is people already know whats on it. The V6 and V8 and transmission is already known, plus the AWD system, what it looks like, and what its going to offer. Wheres the debate in that?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
    Wish I knew! We don't know what's coming before the articles go live, or just before. They usually post a first drive article as soon as the vehicle is available for testing, though.

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  • plinaplina Posts: 33
    I have been tracking the prices of the 2005 M45 on the Infiniti website and have built a M45 6 cylinder AWD fully loaded and is $58,000. This is ridiculous, I paid $50,195 for my 2003 V8 fully loaded with chrome rims.
    Infiniti does not want this car to sell and they have totally turned me off, I love my M45 but when my lease is over I will get the Audi A6 with the 8 or a 6 or maybe a Phaeton and save a few thousand in the process, it takes time to compete with the Germans but Infiniti just want to charge ridiculous money and they have lost a long time Infiniti owner me!!!!
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I wouldnt believe anything you see on the "build your M" thing they have going. Infiniti has been changing that tag literally every 3 days. It is NOT official pricing.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    First, as lexusguy said, those prices are "tester" prices, and not final at all.

    Second, you're adding up $2600 worth of "body enhancements", such as chrome wheels, aero body kit, and spoiler.

    The estimated base price of the V6 AWD is $43,800.

    Journey Package: $2750

    • Climate-controlled front seats with internal ventilation; provide cooling and heating functions
    • High Intensity Discharge (HID) xenon low-beam headlights with adaptive front lighting
    • 230 Watt audio system; 8-speaker, 2-channel stereo system with AM/FM, in-dash 6-disc CD auto changer, and MP3-CD playback
    • RearView Monitor displays area behind vehicle, in real time, when vehicle is reversing via dash-mounted color LCD screen
    • Pre-Crash Seatbelts; When hard braking is necessary, pre-crash seatbelts react by retracting the seatbelt to pull the driver and front passenger into their seats, helping to position them for airbag deployment in the event that an accident is imminent.
    • Electronic compass within inside mirror
    • Homelink® Universal Transceiver offers control for compatible garage doors, home lighting and home security systems

    Technology Package (including Journey Package): $6750

    • Infiniti Navigation System with 8-inch color LCD screen, Birdview™, DVD-ROM database and voice activated destination entry
    • 300+ Watt, 14-speaker, 5.1-channel surround sound audio system with AM/FM, in-dash 6-disc CD autochanger, DVD-Audio playback, and MP3-CD playback
    • Intelligent Cruise Control uses computerized laser sensors and a digital rangefinder to identify vehicles ahead while automatically maintaining the pre-set following distance
    • Lane Departure Warning generates an audible warning to alert the driver of the vehicle's unintended lane departure
    • Satellite Radio (choice of XM® or Sirius™ service providers)*

    Premium Package (includes Journey/Technology Packages): $10,500

    • Heated and power reclining rear seats
    • Rear passenger controls for climate, audio and rear sunshade
    • 18-inch Run-flat tires
    • Power rear sunshade
    • DVD Mobile Entertainment System

    The Premium Package is basically for rear seat comfort, and I doubt many M35's will be equipped with it.

    Most will be equipped with the Journey Package (Total $46,550) or the Journey/Tech Package (Total $50,550).

    I bet the actual MSRP will be a couple thousand less than this. They're probably waiting to see how Acura prices the RL as well.
  • valuebuyervaluebuyer Posts: 24
    As it stands, the marketing data being collected by Infiniti on the US site clocks in around $50K for the AWD6 and $57K for the RWD8 - that is, both with all the bells and whistles that Marketing will use differentiate the models in the '05 market. If Acura doesn't follow suit (and jack up the RL prices over 2004), that's a $10K difference, on average.

    That's a lot of lost M Sales, no matter how you model it.

    If I were Acura, I'd let Infiniti cuts its own throat here by trying to pretend that the M model: (1) with no Sales track record (M45 sales to 2004 were the bane of any Inifiniti dealer - salespersons roll their eyes at how crappy sales have been for the 'predecessor'); and (2) the Butt-Ugly Award for design, should command a premium in the market over the 2004 pricing. And oh, how about that depreciation, folks? I love the brand, but there is no 'history' here (yet) of slower depreciation that can command higher pricing.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Totally disagree with you here.

    A similarly equipped 2006 AWD M35 (w/ Tech Package) will probably MSRP at about $48,000, about the same as the 2005 RL. These are my estimates.

    The current M45 sales have sucked, but so have the current RL sales.

    If you're talking about the design of the current M45, I agree it's ugly. But the 2006 M is a sharp looking car, certainly generating more "buzz" than the rather bland looking 2005 RL, from an exterior design standpoint.

    The "Ghosn" Infinitis, such as the G35, G35 Coupe, and FX35/45, all have low rates of depreciation. No reason to think that the new M will be otherwise.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Agreed. Infiniti has taken the gloves off, and the FX, G, and QX are all in hot demand. Nissan is willing to take chances with their styling and design, and wether you like them or not, a Murano grabs your attention and a Pilot does not. The new M is a gorgeous car, maybe even a bit more than the new GS. The RL is very Honda-esque. Its mostly conservative, and while its not offensive, its not that memorable either. I really like the TL's agressive lines, and I was hoping for more than the RL delivered in that department.
  • Is it really worth waiting for new M45 or I can just but an existing one. And if I should buy existing (2004) one, how much should I pay for fully loaded?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
    Hi glennmavis - the question of whether to buy now or not is one only YOU can answer - are you eager to have the updates on the 2006, or are you happy to buy the 2004, with its current styling and features? How long do you intend to keep the vehicle? We'll be happy to help you out with specific questions, like what features you can get in each model, and resale values, though. Just let us know what you're looking for in a vehicle.

    To see what other in your area are paying for the '04, please check our Infiniti M45 Detail Page, or you can post a question in our discussion called Real-World Trade-In Values.

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  • wibblewibble Posts: 569
    You should be looking at $7000 off MSRP at least. Make sure you're going to keep it. I got a 2003 M45 stickered at $47455 for $37455. Due to circumstances I had to give it up 9 months later. The best offer I got on it was $33500. It is a great car but only at the right price.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I would really suggest waiting. There are HUGE differences from the old car to the new, they go much deeper than new sheetmetal. Even if you can stomach the current cars looks, or complete lack thereof, if you're looking for sport, it basically doesnt deliver. I would suggest a late model 540i if you've got to have a car right this minute.
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