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Acura TL Maintenance and Repair

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  • armandarmand Posts: 178
    That makes sense.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    But I think the wipers are designed to do a wipe every time you let off the brakes, no matter what intermittent setting they are at.
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    Speaking of SSW, I actually wonder about the logic of this feature. My ES has this rain sensing wiper whose wiping intensity is proportional to volume of rain falls, which makes good sense to me. Now on SSW, is it supposed to wipe faster on higher vehicle speed, and vice versa?

    I can accept the logic of it if the rain falls against the direction of car, but not quite if it falls vertical to the car (little wind) or at the same direction of car (wind blows to where you're heading). Am I interpreting this feature incorrectly?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    From what I have observed, the SSW is actually pretty basic in its operation. I'm not sure if the speed changes as the car speeds up. All it does that I can see, is that at the shortest-interval setting, the wipers will sweep continuously as long as the car is moving. When the car is stopped, it goes into intermittent mode. And at any setting, it will do an immediate sweep when the car starts moving.
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    Mmm I thought shortest-interval setting is the same as the LO setting so it'd wipe constantly, even when the car is stopped.

    Anyway every time it rains I am stuck in traffic so it's hard to tell how wiping actually relates to speed.
  • aaarghaaargh Posts: 230
    If I recall correctly, at the shortest interval setting, when the car is moving over 12 MPH, it runs at regular speed (no interval). Below 12, it has an interval. It's useful.
  • hi guys
    i'd decided, i thought, to buy an 05 TL given that it seemed to offer the best combo of value,drivability, and, i thought, reliability in the under 35K hi-end entry level cars. lexus seems to be for old men, didn't care for the infiniti G35, and wasn't willing to put up with reliability issues of audi, bmw, and mercedes.
    am i wrong about this acura? this tranny stuff has me running scared. i'm gonna get stuck with that soft ES330.
    what do you guys think?
  • aaarghaaargh Posts: 230
    I think if you read a problems chat forum, you are going to read about those having problems.

    I have no problems with my TL and I believe I am in the (vast?) majority. I'm not saying there aren't those with problems, but my impression is they are few and far between. You just hear about them more here.

    My opinion, go for it for the reasons you gave.
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    I did notice last night that when stopped, the wiping at shortest interval setting in INT did have interval vs. wiping like LO setting when moving. This feature may be already in many Honda cars already.

    Is that all SSW does on TL? I guess it's useful more because you don't get that much rain from other moving cars when stopped, vs. from the sky....
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    There're unhappy campers ready to sue Lexus or Acura after owning a new ES or TL, or maybe any car co. for that matter. I have both and so far found no reason to call a lawyer for either.

    As to soft ride vs. firm ride between ES and TL, that's very true. That said, even though my butt is not that old yet it does find the ES seat more comfy. Of course if looking manly is important, then TL will do a much better job than ES.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Have you checked out the '05 G35 already? I haven't done so myself but I hear it received a face-lift for both exterior and interior. The exterior now looks more like the new M35/45. Don't know how much better the interior looks. It also received a 20hp boost. The AWD version does look fairly tempting in terms of combination of price/features/performance.

    I haven't had any tranny or engine problems with my TL yet. And overall I still think it's a top contender in its class. But there are days when I do wish for a little more ride compliance, a little less squeaks and creaks, and a little smoother power delivery.
  • Do not buy the Lexus! We own a 2002 ES300 after owning a 2001 Acura CL Type S whose transmission died @ 23,000 miles. We loved the CL and Acura fixed the CL and gave us a 7yr. 100K warranty on the tranny. That was the only problem with the car but my wife insisted on getting the Lexus after we test drove one.

    So far it has been reliable mechanically but has had many little problems in the 2 1/2 years we have owned it. Here is a list:
    1)the drivers seat back fell off the 1st week.
    2)the paint on the strip on the bottom of the drivers door flaked off in 2 large spots.
    3)the shroud that covers the trunk mounted Nav system keeps falling off.
    4)the dash has a constant rattle.
    5)both the rear doors have a rattle when going over bumps.
    6)the brake rotors warped and were replaced last month under warranty (a TSB had been issued).

    The ES is extremely quiet and a soft ride but I can say the only thing I LOVE about the car is the Mark Levinson sound system (must be heard to appreciate). The car is a bore to drive. I like driving my '04 Toyota Tundra Dbl. Cab more than the Lexus. And it has absolutely not had a single quality issue. Our 3rd car is an '03 Honda S2000. Now that's a fun car to drive!

    I have not driven the new TL but if you enjoy a spirited drive once in a while then I am sure it's the better choice. If you just want to go from point A to point B in a serene, unattached atmosphere with an occasional rattle as a companion then the Lexus is for you.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,610
    I've owned six Lexus' and now own the TL. Believe me the Acura is no more fun to drive than a Lexus "for a spirited drive once in a while" or not. That's unless you enjoy great electronics coupled with numerous rattles and buzzes and a punishing lousy ride (with the TL).
  • I'm not trying to sell a car or anything, but my TL'04 (auto) has no problem whatsoever (21k miles).

    Here are some things that you can do :
    1. Go to NHTSA website and search for complaint and defect investigation. Some poster claimed that they have filed a defect investigation, tranny problems etc. You will find zilch/nada defect investigation and dont forget to compare tranny problems with other brand

    2. Acura TL won first place at the 25 hours thunderhill endurance race. figure that out yourself.

    3. Read the Consumer report magazine. or other magazines that shows tranny failure or defect.

    4. TL has the best sales figures among G35, 330i, 325i, es330 for some time. Dont you think that defects might affect its sales?

    5. There is no evidence of tranny failures. Yes there has been some dissapointments against the prev. TL (2000-early 2003) but not on the new TL'04. And if you look carefully on the prev. TL data, the tranny failed @ a very low miles car (some at as little as 1200 miles). Mine has 21k miles with no problem and the new TL has been on the street for 17 months(while many of the prev. model failed @ less than 2 months). Thats a fact or at least I have the fact(my TL'04).

    6. Beware that some posters are not owners of the new TL. Ask for any evidence/fact(New TL's fact not the prev.one) if you believe them (other than his/her word).

    7. There are gear ratios differences between 2003 TL's and 2004 TL's auto transmission
    3rd gear 1.022 <> 1.021
    4th gear 0.653 <> 0.666
    5th gear 0.471 <> 0.480
    Same tranny? IDK!

    8. My computer has a slight vibration, could it be the sign of a tranny problem :P

    TL maynot be the perfect car but its worth to find out the truth. Good luck! :)
  • Please keep me posted on your progress with the class-action suit. I, too, have experienced the vibration problem and will be having my '04 TL at the dealership for the third time this upcoming week (8,500 miles). I simply want a replacement for defective car.

    On an unrelated note, has anyone experienced moisture on the back seats? I noticed that two of my rear seat belts has a white salt-like residue on them. I immediately took it to the dealer where they told me to clean the belts, see if the problem returned and if so, schedule an appointment. I had the car professionally detailed and five days later, the residue has returned. I have noticed minimal moisture on in the crack of the seat. Clearly, there is a leak of some sort, but I cannot locate it. I did have a '03 Accord EX-V6 that had a leak from the back glass not being properly sealed when manufactured. Anyone with a similar issue?

    Thanks...
  • dojadoja Posts: 19
    I just watched "Motorweek" on PBS. This week they reviewed the 04 TL after driving it for 30,000 miles. They first reviewed this same car when it was a new car. They loved it then. I was interested to see their comments of the same car after 30K.

    The only negatives were the rear-view mirror which they didn't like because it couldn't be adjusted at enough angles and the leather driver's seat, which they said cracked around the the holes.(Why do they have those perforations. It seemed like this would inevitably be a problem)

    HOWEVER, there was no mention of vibrations or rattles. Also no problems with the transmission!!!

    The show is Motorweek #2425 and it started airing on PBS stations last night. Look for it in your area. You can get a tape of the show if you are in the market to buy and want a professional review of this car after 30K. Of course, there are always lemons but if they didn't mention this vibration issue then I'm going to conclude that it's not a design flaw.

    The show also airs on the "Speed channel" which I don't receive. I think it's available on certain cable providers
  • armandarmand Posts: 178
    With large numbers of people reporting no vibration problem (I don't have one) it isn't a design fault. IMO it may be a manufacturing problem for a small number of units or maybe even just some very, very finicky drivers.
  • dojadoja Posts: 19
    "The only negatives were the rear-view mirror which they didn't like because it couldn't be adjusted at enough angles and the leather driver's seat, which they said cracked around the the holes."

    It's too late to edit my original post but the reviewers were complaining about the SIDE view mirrors not the rear view mirror.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,610
    "Beware that some posters are not owners of the new TL."

    Well, that doesn't apply to me and not necessarily to others who do not wax poetic about the TL.

    I agree though that one has to own the car to see what their own individual opinion(s) is(are). Don't neccessarily take my word for it, but don't say you weren't warned about TL's short comings.
  • qwallsqwalls Posts: 406
    I guess it would depend on which Lexus. I went from a '99 LS400 to my '05 TL, and I haven't looked back. The TL is a lot more fun. The only thing I really miss is the low end torque of that 4.0L V8.
  • mdhaukemdhauke Posts: 202
    "My 2005 TL has 550 miles on it. I've heard different mileages when people get the first oil change done. Please let me know what you think. Thanks."

    When your maintenance minder tell you to.
  • Are you saying that your TL does not vibrate when shifting from 4th to 5th gear or from what I've read on the forums from 40-55mph? I am trying to find out if it is just a few TL's with this problem or all TL's. Also is the problem limited to just 2004 TL's or is it 2004 & 2005 TL's. And does it matter if it's automatic or stick shift?
  • I have the same questions, have you found anything more out? I am interested in buying a used 04 for a little less than an 05 new. I am wondering if I should avoid the TL altogether because of these transmission vibration issues? I would go for a G35 coupe, but the RWD won't work well in Chicago. THe ES is for older folks, and the 330xi BMW is really pricey - AWD. I would appreciate your thoughts/recommendations.
  • After problem-free driving Acura's for the past 8 years (1989 Legend & 2000 TL) I'm thinking about getting another TL. I love my 2000 TL but it's at the point (60K Miles) where I'll need tires, belts etc. soon and want to trade up before I have any problems. I've looked at the Infinities, Lexus, Caddys and I keep coming back to Acura.

    At first the new body style bothered me. I thought it looked too much like a BMW-immitation, but I'm getting ready to test drive it this week and may pull the trigger. Does anyone think I should hold out for the 2006's to come out?

    Peter
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,720
    Only about 1600 mile, no tranny probles, no vibrations and no cracked leather. I found the TL to be significantly quieter than the G35X with a much smoother ride. Loved the power of the G35 (the TL is no slouch!!!) and the stick to the road of the G35. But in the end, the (IMHO) superior internal and external style of the TL, ride and noise levels carried the day. Honda/Acura has long had a solid rep for build quality and reliability. My family has owned several Hondas & Acuras with nary a problem to mention. That is not to say that every one built is flawless, but I think the odds of getting a winner are quite high...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • Hi- I just bought a used 2004 Acura TL with 24,000 miles on it. Car is great but the gas mileage seems unusually low. I've been getting 17 to 18 miles per gallon in city and a bit of highway driving (mostly city). Have been driving very conservatively. The dealer put on new tires that are H rated (which are properly inflated). Was told that it should have V rated tires. Could this be causing the lower MPG? Last service was at 18,000 miles. What are others getting around the city? Any suggestions?

    Also the gauge will say empty and then it will turn out once I fill up that I have 3-4 more gallons in the tank. Anyone have this problem too? I can't get more that 240 miles on a tank at the moment which seems low to me (especially after my 35 mpg civic that got more miles on 10 gallons.)

    Thanks from a new owner
  • First of all, I dont usually post at this kind of forum because I find it funny just to say
    "hey, my car is in a great condition, no problem" and I believe happy car owner doesnt post at this forum a lot, but I think some of the posts are misinformed.

    I bought my G35 a couple months ago (only 600 miles tx to the snow) and also bought a used TL (auto non nav) with 25k miles last week. I got to admit for having been lurking at this forum for sometimes, and finally pulled the trigger. Its one of the first TL on the street (oil-jet installed), was bought in nov 2003. I know that the car has higher mileage than usual, but everything is in perfect condition, no rattle or vibration, flawless with a slightly better gas mileage than my G35.

    Speaking about vibration, I think TL is very quiet compared to my G and my cousin's 6 month old corrola type s. The only thing that TL lacks is rwd. It has great handling and performance (not just good but great) for real-world driving (unless for pro-racer).

    I'm still babying my new G35 and intend to keep it that way (low mileage) but driving around with the TL actually give me another satisfaction. I dont have to worry about break-in period, snow, fun to drive, best audio and its a looker too.

    I test drove 2 TLs before I bought mine and found no vibration issue except paint chipping around the muffler area and front bumper, wrinkled leather and one with scratches on the wheel. The one that I got is flawless but the mileage is too high and the passenger side's leather has a wrinkle.

    Anyway not all TL has the same flaw and its not a flaw by design. Test drive some used one just to get an opinion. I know thats what I did, and I am now a happy owner of the new TL and G35.
  • I have a 2002 TL Type-S and I had my transmission replaced at 30,000 miles and now at 80,000 miles (last week). What bothers me the most is how Acura Client Services is handling the situation. They are trying to sweep all the issues under the rug and deny as long as they can. I am sure all of you are enjoying your 2004 and 2005 TL's, but you are not out of the woods yet. I talked to my service guy and he said they are having a few issues with these models that corporate is not admitting to you yet. I would make friends with someone in service at your local dealership.

    My adivce to someone who is looking to buy a new TL is to find one where the Vin# starts with a "J" and not a "1". If it starts with a "J" it means it was put together in Japan and not here, like the ones that start with a "1". I love America but apparently they do not know how to put a car together. I was told that the only cars that are having the transmission issue is the TL's put together in the US.

    The problem is there are to many chat rooms/forums to go to and everyone is not able to see all the problems that are going on with these cars. I have seen on other forums where people from 2002 on have complained about the leather cracking. I have seen multiple years complain about the tranny and the navigation.

    Don't get me wrong, I love my car, that is when it works. If it was not for my local service department that takes good care of me, I would have gotten rid of my 2002 TL Type-S a long time ago and would not have leased my wife a MDX.

    Right now I am trying to get Acura to make my TL back and give me a decent trade in on a 2005. I am hoping that Acura will stand by their product. I have taken my car in for every single service suggested. I bought an Acura because of its reputation to last a very long time with minimal issues. With my current car I have not experieced that and I know that they know that they have an issue that they do not want to take care of properly. I can replacing the transmission once and saying we found the problem, but now a second time.
  • Lemon? MT6 Spd 2004 TL:Brakes squeeling,failed, squeeling and Vibration and Tire wear

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    I need some help--2004 TL July -9,300 MILES, Stick shift with Brembo brakes--BRAKE FAILURE ,SQUEELING METAL (very loud all of the time), AND VIBRATION at 5th gear at 55 -60 mph ( steering wheel actually shakes) and NOW tires wearing fast. I have a 6MT July 2004 TL 9,300 miles and have had squeeling from the beginning. I asked the Dealer if there were any service bulletins or recalls and they said NO twice AFTER THEY LOOKED AT THE PROBLEM. Than took it to get serviced at another dealership and asked theM AND THEY SAID no until I took it in and than they told me there was a service Bulletin and told me they would replace the brakes but had to reschedule ( UGH !). Than took it in and they told me that they would only replace the brakes and I asked what about the vibration from the possibly scratched rotors and they decided to replace the rotors supposably. They wanted to refinish the rotors and TOLD THEM NO WAY.
    Than I asked about rebalancing and checking the alignment and they said they checked it and THERE WAS no problem even though it was vibrating. Than I drove it and slowly the squeeking and vibration returned louder than ever. AND than the brakes failed ( good thing for stick shift) with the right brake vibrating like the wheel was going to fall off. I called the ACURA dealer and they told me that they could not fit me in for another week !!! . I told them that I demand that they give me a loaner now since I am driving without brakes ( If I appliced them , they worked but the entire car front of the car vibrated like it was about to explode) and they need to fix it. After hassling with them for 30 minutes , I got an appointment two days later. Guess what, the right caliper FAILED . They replaced it ( I think they screwed it up when they supposeably replaced the rotors and brake pads ) and asked again to check the balance and they noticed that the internal mass balance weights were destoyed ( basically the caliper came apart and ripped the inside of the alloy wheel ( I noticed this after I picked up the car and should have asked for a new alloy wheel). Well, now i have an appointment for the third time with brakes working STILL WITH a very LOUD noise ( everyone stops and looks at me when I stop the car next to other cars on the roads literally) and need to know if ACURA does have the answer or do I file for the lemon law and maybe the 2005 TL has the proper Brembo brakes without any problems.

    What about this lemon law in Pennsylvania ? How hard is the process? I like the 5 series BMW except the rear wheel drive will not work in the snow and the Infinity might be my only option but no stick shift .

    What should I do.
    NO PATIENCE in the Northeast !!!!
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    There are no J VIN's.
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