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Acura TL Maintenance and Repair

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  • ed31cincyed31cincy Posts: 56
    Well, don't buy my '04, it's not for sale. :P

    20K miles of trouble free driving.

    Generalities like "don't buy...nothing but problems" are pointless, as it applies only your circumstance.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 1,611
    I really like about my '04 Tl is the voice command (female) voice. I call her Trixie and she's got a sexy voice. The voice for Bluetooth is similar but she's more business-like with a greater sense of urgency to her.

    (Thought I'd post something positive on this forum. No, I am married and not lonely (LOL).
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Does 'Trixie' also appear in the form of an airbag? :P
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    If she did, she would have dual "airbags"! :P
  • smithdrgssmithdrgs Posts: 22
    Have an 05 acura TL with dark charcoal leather seats. they were flat finish and not glossy. had a spot to clean on one so I use turtle wax 2001 cleaner and conditioner with UV protection- bright green bottle. Should have spot tested it first. so the seat got all glossy, so i had to do the whole interior to match. Not only do i not like it as much, the dash now shines off the windshield. Will this fade? How can i reverse it? how do i fix the dash? what is a good cleaner/protectant with a flat finish.? thanks
  • tedescm1tedescm1 Posts: 309
    Right back to you.... your opinion applies only to you!

    Generally speaking, the 2004 tl is riddled with problems...read the posts.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    To be fair, I think some of the 2004s are riddled with problems. Aside from relatively minor rattles, my '04 has been trouble-free.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Generally speaking, the 2004 tl is riddled with problems...read the posts.

    You indicate to read the posts to support the concept that there are problems. Well...most of the posts you are referring to were posted by yourself. Sure...there were multiple posts indicating issues...but the majority originated from yourself.

    The TL may not be troublefree...as no mechanical or electronic item is. But it sure has a heck of a better track record than many other vehicles...and Consumer Reports attests to such. As for my 2005 TL...I have had no issues. From what I have read...not much going with others.

    So perhaps right back to you...your opinion applies only to you. You are in the minority.
  • revrasrevras Posts: 63
    take this car for a long test drive over various pavement surfaces before you buy or lease .In my opinion it does not have a smooth ride, my 2005 jiggled over any uneven surface. Coming from a 2001 Audi, I am used to road feel, but this car has very poor damping. My car also had rattles galor. In addition I found the hi c pillars to be a road hazard in terms of providing very poor visibility from the cockpit. I felt the seats were hard and unforgiving as well. In terms of good points, the engine is superb and so is the audio. I just felt that for 34k you should get more than a rocket on wheels with a good stereo.
  • ed31cincyed31cincy Posts: 56
    Boy, you sure state your point a lot better than I did!
    Nice post and happy TL-ing! :)
  • I test drove 2 TL's and purchased a different one. The demo, with 2-3k miles on it drove flawlessly. I wanted a green TL with camel interior. When we test drove it my wife hated the interior color and I was noticing the harsh vibration. I assumed the tires were way over inflated. We ended up buying a green TL with parchment. When it was being preped I told the salesman to adjust the tires to factory specs. We never drove it before purchase. It has drives like a cloud in the air.

    I bought a Cingular Motorola V551 and the clarity (using the hands free link) is better than our home phone.

    The only negative so far, is that I notice the outside temp display to be "slow" to give an accurate display. Also, that display should be visible to the passenger. I guess there is no way to do that.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    People posting about problems in this forum are not a representative sample of TL owners, therefore, basing opinions about posts here is not logical (I am not Spock). However, they can help alert people, for example, checking for vibrations during test drives and questions to ask when buying, very helpful.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 1,611
    No the airbag(s) is(are) mute, "the strong silent type".
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Thanks for the compliments...but what is bugging me regarding this forum are the following...and why I am firing back a bit to others that don't appear representative:
    1) We have found a 'troll' here within the past two weeks where a person is reporting problems...but his profile indicates he does not own a TL and does not support any non-american made cars (btw...the TL is assembled in the USA in OH).
    2) Isolated issues which are extrapolated to all. Throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    Guess what I am getting at is what we are reading on this site are problems (Frisconick is correct..not a representative sample). But can we infer all have the same problems...no. Reason is that only problems are reported...no problems remain not reported.

    Any case...I was a little miffed with how that person flamed on another. And pay attention to the Consumer Reports reliability rating...which is a great gauge for all.

    ok...I am stepping off my soap box..sorry

    As for Frisconick....you may not be Spock...but your car sure does have the lines of a great spaceship
  • ...and I surely hope so... one question I have, and probably has been mentioned before is about oil changes. I've been on the road with my TL for a little more than 2 weeks, and having put on 1000 miles on it already, I found my oil quality gauge showing at 90%. According to the salesman, I should throw out the window all that rule of thumb about having to change the oil every 3000 miles, and just take a peek at this percentage, and wait till the car tells me to change the oil. According to salesman, oil has to be changed at 10000 miles, but that seems kind of a long shot.... so what do you guys thnk?
  • I always thought the voice on the bluetooth, resembled more to the voice of an old biker chick with a smoking habit...
  • ed31cincyed31cincy Posts: 56
    The oil change interval has been quite an adjustment for me, too. You will find that the monitor will have you change it between 7500 and 10,000 miles, depending on how you drive and weather conditions, etc. If your salesperson didn't tell you, you definitely do not want to do your first oil change early. The factory placed additives in the oil that need to stay there for the entire oil change interval as noted on your monitor. I trust Honda/Acura on this because of their quality history. When you think about it, wouldn't they want you to come into the service department more frequently to increase dealer profit? Now they are telling you to come in less frequently. I'm okay with that!

    You will also notice that other manufacturers are backing off of the old 3 months/3000 miles. There are oils on the market claiming 5000 or 7500 mile intervals. I have been told that the 3/3000 was overkill and bad for the environment.
    Hope this helps.
  • gandb77gandb77 Posts: 4
    I have a 1999 Acura tl with about 70,000 miles on it. Other than normal oil changes, the engine has never been touched. This primarily because I felt that "Leave well enough alone, "mechanics might just screw up a good thing".
    However I am about to change my mind.
    Can anyone help me as to what kind of work should possibly be done on the engine and what should be checked? And what the cost may be? Has original, untouched plugs, etc.
    It seems to run good but also seems to lack a little power and mileage.
    Any help is appreciated. Thanks george
  • taxesquiretaxesquire Posts: 681
    I, too, strictly rely on the computer for oil changes. My reasoning is that the goal of every car manufacturer (from Kia to Ford to Ferrari to Honda) is to make a car that people like so much, they buy another one...and another one...

    Toyota and Honda have done particularly well at this with the Accord & Camry. I bet there are more people that only buy accords, or only buy camrys than any other car. I think it used to be that way for Cadillac, back in the '70s.

    Anyway, this oil-minder is not something Acura really hyped, and it's not something that people necessarily expect of a car in this range (now auto-headlights is something people expect!!!), so it's not like they had to rush this out to the market for competition reasons. Based on that, and Honda's general conservatism, I am confident they wouldn't add this computerized feature to the car unless they were confident it would work.

    If you think about it, probably their biggest defense against engine problems is "the consumer didn't change the oil enough." Well, they just blew up that defense if the consumer can show the car didn't alert them to the need for an oil change.

    Another way of putting it, is that Acura just took on a responsibility and a liability that was formerly the consumer's. That wouldn't make financial sense unless they were confident in the system.

    And, frankly, it's one of the things that has won me over with this car, and is something I will definitely consider when making my next purchase.

    PS - a counterargument to my reasoning is the Sienna tire-pressure gauge. There're a lot of problems for people with run-flat tires. I discount that error b/c the problem is that Toyota installed a gauge that measures how fast a wheel is spinning. With regular tires (that are on most fo the Siennas), if 1 tire is low, it'll spin faster than the others (a mathematical/physics thing based on circumference and distance - trust me). Run flats, of course, are purposely made to maintain their shape when flat, so the computer system doesn't recognize the difference. Anyway, this is an instance of not thinking of the effects w/r/t an add-on option (you get the run-flats only if you have an AWD minivan). The Acura oil monitor is on every TL, and the internal systems are the same, so you don't have the variables to contend with.
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    I will concur with ed31cincy regarding the initial oil change. I posted several notes to also indicate that there is a break-in additive in the initial fill. I just have to believe the Acura/Honda engineers know what they are doing. What it does...I do not know.

    After the initial oil change...my plan is to change it at when it reads 20%...probably about 6,000 miles intervals. Figure that oil changes are cheap enough and over the course of 60,000 miles that would translate only into two additional oil changes. Chump change.

    A few questions....which others can help on
    1) If I change my oil and reset the monitoring system...how will it effect the other servicing reminders (ie rotate tires, etc). So if I change the oil more often...does it goof the other reminders.

    2) From real world experiences...when does everyone actually receive reminders and what does it tell you to perform at those intervals?

    3) For oil changes...is everyone going to Acura for the change or outsider servicers? The real question is...should we trust the generic oil filters that the outsiders are using?

    Thanks...
  • taxesquiretaxesquire Posts: 681
    1) If I change my oil and reset the monitoring system...how will it effect the other servicing reminders (ie rotate tires, etc). So if I change the oil more often...does it goof the other reminders.

    I don't believe they're related. I got a little concerned that when my "Change oil now" message came on, it didn't alos ask me to rotate the tires. My plan was to have them do both anyway, and specifically ask them to reset taht tire rotation gauge. Anyway, the day before my appt, the tire rotation notice came on. My conclusion from this limited experience is that they are based on separate notifiers. I assume the Oil notification is based on oil level and some "dirt-sensor," while I expect the other stuff is based strictly on miles.

    My plan is to change the oil when it says to, and if my book shows I'll need something else soon, I'll get that done too and ask them to reset the appropriate gauge.

    3) For oil changes...is everyone going to Acura for the change or outsider servicers? The real question is...should we trust the generic oil filters that the outsiders are using?

    That's a tough question. I went to Acura for my 1st, and I don't really trust the Jiffy Lubes/5-minute, $19.99 oil-change places of the world, but we had a good experience with the folks at our local Sears store and also had a good experience at a local tire salesplace that does minor services, so I'd be open to using them. I might talk to them about different filters, but I doubt it really makes a difference. For oil, though, I insist on fully-synthetic.
  • ceraulicerauli Posts: 44
    I'm trusting the sensor on my 04 TL (I'm at 7,300 now) so I have only changed it once at 4,700 when the % was at 20%. I will change it at 20% every time... my own idea...

    As for the oil sensor... I was told that it measures the oil temerature... I guess as the viscosity of the oil breaks down, the temperature will rise.

    I am only taking mine back to the dealer for everything... If anything happens, I do not want to hear that it was because someone else touched the car. I have the 6/75K extended...

    With the technology in the car... I am not messing around. :sick: I figure for the extra $10.00 an oil change it is worth it in peace of mind! I spent $33,000, I guess I shouldn't penny pinch on the scheduled maintenance? And plus... there is a cuppichino machine in the waiting room of my Acura dealership and the girl at the cashier is pretty hot!!! :blush:
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Hot girl and drinks? I think I will change mine more often at the dealership.

    Actually...the big thing with changing it at the dealer is the oil filter...as I don't in my mind believe all are the same. Not because filtration quality...but the pressure relief overflow...where the oil goes unfiltered if excess pressure is sensed. (someone confirm my thoughts).
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,730
    Free washes for life were promised with my wife's Lexus. As they put out a breakfast spread on Saturday mornings, that is usually when I take it in for the "Breakfast with Lexus" wash. And to watch the various ladies of the dealership go about their business. Unbelievable, the hiring manager has a very good eye for talent! Luckily the wife has no interest in my breakfast dates! And, of course, I'm 99.99% sure the Lexus Ladies have no interest in me... :cry:

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    Lexus dealerships may have the ladies.... But according to 'carnaught' post #2584 from yesterday...we should be fine with the digitized voice of "Trixie".
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    check the oil level religiously? I have found the TL (and other Honda V6 models) to burn so little oil that checking the oil level seems almost superfluous! I can't remember the last time I checked the oil and actually found the level has dropped! If anything, I worry about it being over the Max line. So to make sure it isn't, I try to check it first thing in the morning, or after the car has sat for many hours.
  • ed31cincyed31cincy Posts: 56
    I agree with your statement about taking it to the dealer for service, even the oil changes. I don't want them threatening to void the warranty because of errant work by another service provider. Actually, I think the price for the oil change is very reasonable at my local Acura dealer. I also agree with the assessment of oil filter quality. I'll stick with the Acura filter and I will not buy aftermarket filters for this car. I don't want to take any chances and potentially hurt this sweet engine!
  • oh yeah... the TL.... I hate this miserable piece of junk!!... I hate it so much, I flew over to another city to get one!!... and then there's the 25 MPG in mixed driving with A/C on.... gosh, I so much miss my Expedition!!... if I only knew at what junkyard I left it at!! ;)
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    I check my oil regularily for several purposes. First all cars will lose a bit of oil (I don't call it burn oil...as that would indicate a engine problem and a rapid loss of oil). And I really keep an eye on it after each oil change to ensure no leaks or other issues with a blown oil filter. But better yet...I keep an eye on the oil that is on the dipstick...to see if it is dirty beyond expectation (no...no...I know that it does turn black after time....and whether I need to step up the oil change. However...this might not be an issue with how the TL's maintenance reminder works).

    Regarding the comment about changing the oil at the dealer. My major issue is the time to get an oil change at the dealer with the free wash. I really don't want to spend 1.25 hrs when I can get it done in 20 mins elsewhere. However...I will suffer the first few times and periodically there...why not...and check out the cars in their lot and the surrounding dealers.
  • Well as far as your 3rd question concerns, I think any place would be good for an oil change... .BUT....after the oil change is done, make sure you check if there are no oil leaks (the drain plug is not tight enough), and that nothing is left open on the engine compartment. Do make sure to check all this even if you took your car to the dealership's service department. I've had a few experiences to share. Once I took my car to Wal-Mart where they did a tire rotation and an oil change, but then I opened the hood and noticed they left an open can of oil stuck in a corner of the engine compartment...and there was plenty of oil in it... A second time, I took my car to the dealership (not Acura, but Ford), and noticed there was a bit of oil dripping under the car.... turns out the plug was not tight enough, so it could have eventually fell off along with all the oil in the engine, and my engine would have gone "caput!"

    So don't feel so confident if you take your car to the service department... just check the work for anything wrong just in case... that could save you a lot of trouble eventually. Otherwise the oil is the same anywhere you take your car. They will put in 10W-30 grade. If your car has more than 50k or 60k miles, you might want to put 10W-40 grade which has more viscosity.

    Also about rotating your tires.... always mark your tires before they do the rotation... just in case they do the oil change, but "forget" to do the tire rotation because they got so many cars to work on...but still charge you for it.
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