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Toyota Prius

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  • I think the laws may vary from state to state but I know that in Ohio car dealers must refund deposits when requested IF the deposit was not for a specific car, i.e. Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) specified. A VW dealer tried to keep a deposit when the new Beetles were coming out in 1998 and was quite adamant and nasty about it. I found out that it was against the state law for them to do that and told him I was going to contact my attorney. We picked up the refund later that day! This was the same dealer that was charging $3000 or more over the sticker price with no promise of what color we would get or when we would get it. We were very fortunate to get exactly the color we wanted for the sticker price which was unheard of in those first months. Good luck!
  • "Actually, that number [36,000] is for the first production cycle, not year. It turns out that a second cycle will begin early next spring!"

    Do you anticipate (or know) if, for the "second production cycle" next Spring, there will be any revision in either the USA 2004 Prius offering itself -- e.g. "Japan Prius" features like 16" wheels?...EV button?...parking-assist...whatever else -- or perhaps revisions in the option-packages or trimline options? (Someone had pointed out there seem to be differences in the Prius versions being initially released in the US and in Japan, and the following video reveals some differences as well http://www.toyota.co.jp/company/prius/channel/vod_300k.html )

    mjcpl
  • I am very interested in the 2004 Prius but need to buy my car in this calendar year. I have contacted the Toyota dealers in the past day about availability but have not heard anything yet. If I am not able to buy a Prius this year then I would buy the 2003 Civic Hybrid. This evening is my first night on the two messagge boards for the PRius but it doesn't look too promising for a 2003 delivery date for a Prius. Any odds? Any thoughts!

    Thanks.
    BichonCar in Cincinnati
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > second production cycle

    Since Toyota has been known to change package offerings throughout the year, actually planning to begin another cycle in the middle really doesn't surprise me.

    > 16" wheels

    That's just plain not going to happen (especially since the aftermarket route is so simple). It would compromise city performance. What would you gain?

    > EV button

    With the way misconceptions about hybrids thrive in this country still, I really don't think the market is ready for it yet.

    > parking-assist

    That's possible.

    JOHN
  • boxfanboxfan Posts: 180
    "The S Touring Selection and G Touring Selection are fitted with a specially tuned suspension for a sportier driving feel." The "S Touring Selection and G Touring Selection" also come with the 16" wheels. I wonder if the US version will have the "specially tuned suspension?" It doesn't seem to be an option, but maybe that's the standard suspension for the US version?

    Re: 16" wheels--"What would you gain?" Well, better handling. That's the original reason for bigger wheels and lower profile tires, although most people now buy them for looks. In principle, you'd think you could find lightweight rims that wouldn't compromise mileage much, but I don't know how you'd choose the rims.

    I do think the new Prius looks better with lower profile tires. The show car version had ridiculously large rims, but I think they made the car look better. Just my opinion.
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    What is meant by EV button.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > What is meant by EV button.

    Prius offers an EV mode called "STEALTH", the ability to drive up to 42 MPH without the engine running (this speed is expected to be faster in the 2004).

    The engine will restart when the electrical draw becomes high and the battery-pack desires (but does not need) to be recharged. The system then takes advantage of the engine to both provide thrust and electricity at the same time. So of that electricity is immediately consumed by the motor for additional thrust, the rest is used for recharging. The end result is an efficiency gain.

    In some cases, drivers would like to prevent the engine from restarting, since they can predict what the driving needs will be. The hybrid system can't, it only knows what conditions are at that moment. An EV button would allow owners to inform the system that it is ok to leave the engine off for awhile. Then you can enjoy the pleasure from "stealth" a little longer.

    JOHN
  • In the US, the 2001-2003 Prius has an EPA rated
    average 48MPG. In Japan, the equivalent agency to
    the US's EPA also tested the Prius to their testing
    cycle, and gave it a MPG rating in the 60s.

    Different testing cycle, different results.

    Same thing goes with reading Canadian estimated
    l/km (convert to MPG) - different test cycle than
    in the US, often rates higher than in the US.

    Also remember when doing your l/km conversions, to
    convert to US gallons rather than the (larger)
    imperial gallons.
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    British don’t use gallons, quarts, pints, ounces anymore.
    They sell gasolene and all other liquid stuff only in liters.

    Liberia is the only other country in the World that uses
    US gallons, ounces, etc.

    It will be better if the testing can be standardized.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > It will be better if the testing can be standardized.

    How?

    Road & Temperature conditions vary drastically throughout this country alone. Those factors have a profound effect on efficiency. So even the just the EPA testing here doesn't reflect what many drivers will actually encounter.

    And to make matters even more complicated, the fuel itself differs. The stuff I use is 10% ethanol, 90% gasoline. It isn't as efficient as 100% gasoline, but it is cleaner and does reduce oil dependence a little.

    JOHN
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    "Road & Temperature conditions vary "

    So do they take the average of Colder North (Minnesota, Massachussets)
    and Hotter South (Texas, Florida) in their mpg figures.

    "10% ethanol, 90% gasoline"

    Is gasohol more expensive than the regular gasolene.

    Many countries like Japan, India, Thailand, etc are venturing
    into bio-fuels, hope they become part of the regular fuel for
    Transport.

    BTW, GM, Ford & Chrysler have taken a big lead in FFV.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > So do they take the average of Colder North (Minnesota, Massachussets)

    I lived in both MN and MA. They quite simply don't compare. You'll never see -13^F there like I did with my Prius here. The Hotter South isn't accounted for either.

    Vehicles are tested at 68 F to 86 F ambient temperature, without the A/C.

    That obviously doesn't reflect what owners actually have to deal with for temperatures.

    > Is gasohol more expensive than the regular gasolene.

    That's the only thing available here in Minnesota. We literally don't have the option of buying it any other way in the metro area. And out in the rural outback, 100% gasoline only available in the highest grade for special engines only (like for boat & snowmobile use). That means ethanol production is fairly competitive. Prices are similar to what others pay for gas throughout the country.

    > GM, Ford & Chrysler have taken a big lead in FFV.

    Not really. All they actually do is make the technology and collect the pollution credits from each sale. They do no advertising of the FFV abilities whatsoever.

    E85 is commonly available in the metro of Minnesota. It has been for years. I've never, ever seen an advertisement from GM, Ford, or Chrysler stating their vehicles can use it. In fact, I've only seen 1 FFV owner ever that actually did. Most don't even realize the vehicle they've own for years can use E85. That's really sad.

    JOHN
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Well, the reason the big three created Flex Fuel Vehicles is because they wanted to sell more SUVs, so they got more credit for selling FFVs. In fact, almost no one uses FFVs. You may be able to get one delivered in December if you're lucky- otherwise a January or February delivery date is more realistic.
  • do anyone know how many years the battery will last before replacement? What about cost?
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    have a seven year warranty but are expected to last over 200K miles. By then, you would have bought a new Prius.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    because it was not within our Town Hall guidelines. Please be aware that while it's okay to link to 2004 Prius information at Toyota's main website, our policy does not permit links to individual Toyota dealerships or salespeople's websites.

    To those concerned - Feel free to email me if you have any questions regarding this matter. Please do not address this with me here.

    And let's get back to the subject of the 2004 Toyota Prius. Thanks! ;-)

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  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    The classic (2001-2003) battery-pack was expected to last 10-12 years or 150,000 to 200,000 miles. We obviously can't confirm that time aspect, but we do know of one owner that exceeded 200,000 miles without any trouble.

    I'm not sure what the original (1997-1999) was rated for, but it was bigger and not as powerful. So Toyota's continued research is paying off.

    And now for the 2004, the pack offers an even greater energy storage density and the module count has been reduced from 38 to 28. So obviously, cost is dropping as a result.

    JOHN
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    "module count has been reduced from 38 to 28"

    Any idea of whether the battery size has increased.

    As far as I know the Prius (2001-2003) has the same
    size battery as Prius (1997-1999) while delivering
    25 % more power.

    Same is the case of Civic hybrid over Insight.

    Improvements in battery tech in hybrid vehicles will
    also benefit other products like

    * Electric Vehicles (Grocery store & golf carts, electric scooters, etc)
    * Portable Devices (Notebook computers, cellphones, etc)
    * Battery based generators / power storage systems.
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