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Toyota Prius

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  • rsharprsharp Posts: 103
    Thanks for the replies. It seems the Prius family is pretty broad which is what I had hoped was the case. I find it interesting that the marketing materials for the Prius really target the eco-green aspects of the car and of course Hollywood types latched on to that and made the Prius a symbol. It will be interesting to see if Toyota changes their message somewhat in future marketing.

    I suspect that more and more people will be interested in a sales pitch that says the Prius is a midsize family car that is versatile, affordable, gets outstanding mileage and has all the comforts you would expect. Over the pitch of Prius being a "green" car and full of new technology that people don't understand.

    Of course with gas prices as they are Toyota won't have to do much marketing anyway.
  • sappel1sappel1 Posts: 2
    Here in MD/DC/NOVA, hybrids can use HOV lanes even if there's only one person in the car. Unfortunately, with the popularity of hybrids, the HOV's are becoming corwded.

    I paid sticker for the Prius. No dealer in this area is offering any breaks as the cars are either sold before off the truck or within minutes after. Most places around here don't even have one availabel for a test drive. The one I bought had been ordered by someone. When he came in with his wife to get it, she decided she did not like it and wanted a Sienna instead. My fiancee and I test drove it on a Monday night. I called back Tuesday afternoon to say I'd take it (after calling around and finding NO ONE had any in stock) and found it had been sold already! Then, 2 days later I get another call from the salesman (jonathan). He said that the other salesman's customers had failed to qualify for financing, so the car was mine if I still wanted it. I immediately put a $500 hold on it. It was not my first choice for color (Driftwood) or package (#4). But when I found out that I'd have to wait 6 months if I orderded one, I realized I could live with the car as it is. Maybe it's just the new car euphoria, but I like it more and more every day I drive it!
  • I was wondering if anyone has paid attention to the Edmunds Special Report which casts a skeptical light on the long term cost effectiveness of Hybrids.

    http://www.edmunds.com/help/about/press/105827/article.html?tid=edmunds.h..pressrelease..1- .*

    I was especially concerned about how the Prius will actually cost me almost $10,000 over a 5 year period compared to a comparable Civic/Corrola. I believe the Edmunds report assumes $2.50/gallon gas and factors in the $3000 tax credit in the new energy bill. So i'm now uncertain about whether or not a hybrid is even worth it.

    Is there any discussion on this board or elsewhere on this report. I was just curious on poeple's viewpoints on the Edmunds report.
  • molokaimolokai Posts: 313
    Thanks for popping by. I am surprised you traded a Tc for the Prius. The Prius does have more content, but the Tc is really a nice looking coupe/hatch and has great value, just not the mileage. Enjoy your Prius and let is know how you're doing. I've had mine since 11/03 with nary an issue. Runs like the day I got it. Can't beat that!! The recent gas increases don't even bother me. Eventually they will, as the trickle down effect with prices on other goods will certainly be effected.
  • molokaimolokai Posts: 313
    I wouldn't take any of those reports at face value. Depreciation is a big component that is NOT a cost outlay. If you keep your car till it dies, depreciation is NOT an issue. I don't even know how they figure the depreciation since the hybrids (especially the Prius and HCH) are keeping their resale values quite high. For 26k you get a fully loaded fantastic automobile. I got rid of a Liberty and have saved over 3 grand in just a year and a half! No brainer for me!!!
  • otis1otis1 Posts: 142
    Am i missing something? I looked at that report and for the prius and corrola, the TCO is $29.5k and $26.5k respectively, if you go into the edmunds.com site. with the $3k tax credit, this difference becomes a wash. The numbers are more favorable if you compare the prius to the camry. Where did Edmunds get those numbers they used in the report ($37.8k and $32.6k)- it wasn't from edmunds.com!
  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
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  • priusprius Posts: 6
    I have been in contact with Libertyville Toyota, they say my "no option" prius is due to come in but it is in Super White not Salsa REd like I ordered. So I have requested if I put on option 1 how soon can I have my Salsa Red car. They will get back to me.
    You mentioned 06 model will have slight appearance mods and other assorted goodies. What kind of goodies and what slight appearance mods? And what is the added cost of a 06 model?
  • molokaimolokai Posts: 313
    The grill is supposed to look a little different. I believe they are discontinuing Salsa Red but will have another variation in that hue. Headlights may have some slight change as well. I think they changed a few other items that will not be visual, but improvements none the less. Don't forget about the tax credit you'll get if you get the 06 delivered after Jan 1. As to price, I believe there was talk of about a $300-500 increase. Not really sure on that one. Will post more info as I read about it. As usual, nothing is etched in stone yet, but the source from some of this info is someone from Toyota.
  • I always find comparisons between the Prius and Corrola onerous as they aren't even in the same size class. The Corolla is sub to compact in size while the Prius is classified as mid-size. Very unfair comparison.

    Further, the Prius should be compared to the car it replaces. Getting over twice (21 MPG vs 52 MPG) the mileage from the car my Prius replaces, I find myself saving over $1,800/yr and over $3,500/yr compared to my Lincoln Aviator (which I need for family hauling and towing).
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,784
    "I always find comparisons between the Prius and Corrola onerous as they aren't even in the same size class. The Corolla is sub to compact in size while the Prius is classified as mid-size. Very unfair comparison. "

    If it weren't a hatch back, it would be compact. Having the trunk included in the interior pushes it just into the mid-size by EPA volume. In fact, Edmunds list it as a compact.

    In terms of actual size and weight, it is very close to the Corolla.
  • Funny thing happened at the gas station yesterday. A 3-piece suit* pulled in next to me and filled up his "HUMMER". (Gas was $2.79.9) All said and done, his pump read 35.6 gallons..&..$ 99.89 Total. My PRIUS fill-up was 8.4 gallons..&..$ 23.51 Total. I figured @ 9 mpg..he'll be back @ 316 miles while I 'll be back @ 421 miles while getting 50 plus MPG's. Interesting ain't it? Just makes you wonder why anyone would drive a "HUMMER" or the like!

    * 3 piece suit & a Hummer seem like strange bedfellows to me. Almost an oxymoron. Whats wrong with this picture? ;)

    Railroadjames(Want World Peace?..Use your Turn-Signal)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,886
    3 piece suit & a Hummer seem like strange bedfellows to me.

    It may be to portray the perception of wealth. It is all about image. Not much other reason to drive a Hummer. They are not that great a vehicle. Some people drive a Prius to present a certain image. Some drive a Hummer. I would say they are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. You do seem to be attracted to the Hummers. Does your alter ego really want one in the driveway? I don't see either filling my needs or desires in a vehicle. Remember he is contributing a lot more tax dollars to the maintenance of our roads and bridges than the person driving a Prius.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    In other words, if the Prius were not a mid-sized car, it would be a compact?

    If someone is going to compare the Corolla and Prius, they should at least compare the hatchback version of the Corolla--Matrix--to the Prius. Very comparable in interior room and utility. Prius still has more rear-seat leg room, however.
  • rasmanrasman Posts: 10
    took delivery last week, I LOVE this car, especially whatching gas go up at stations, makes me very happy i'm not driving a gas guzzler anymore. I'm totally impressed. nav system is going to take some time to learn, however will be usefull once i master it, but i may need a masters degree to do so. o well , kinda feels like wem i bought my first computer, not scary, but intimidating, becuase of my lack of familiarty. IF U CAN FIND ONE<<< BUY IT. i was lucky enuogh to get 2000% off packed sticker and a good trade in price for my 03 acura tl. Life is good after gas guzzlers!!!!!!
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Perhaps your alter ego wants a Prius too as demonstrated by your frequent participation in this forum. I would imagine railroad is just using that particular vehicle as a symbol of excessive waste.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    I guess if you have to ask that question you will never be lucky enough to own one. Some people make enough money that gas doesn't mean anything to them. They spend more money on their country club membership per year than your Prius cost.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    I definitely can afford a hummer but would NEVER buy one. They're not really expensive. Just ugly, wasteful vehicles. The guy was just trying to make a point.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,886
    Maybe the Hummer is a whipping boy of the eco crowd that loves the Prius. Why not be realistic and take a jab at the real gas wasters. The 100s of thousands of CamCords that get less than half the mileage of the Prius. 2.5 CamCords use as much gas as 1 H2. They have sold 11k Hummer2s this year so far and 471k CamCords. You do the math on the waste of gas. The Hummer is an insignificant user of fossil fuel compared to all the cars on the road. While you are busy patting yourselves on the back you act like those buying the RH & HH are doing their part to save the world. It is all hype. The Prius contributes a little to saving fuel just as the Hummer contributes a lot to the road use tax base. That does not make one owner any better than the other. We all need to cut back on our driving whether we get 2 miles to the gallon or 100 MPG. Remember the guy that drives a big vehicle 5 miles to work uses less gas than the guy in the Prius driving 30 miles to work.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,886
    Just ugly, wasteful vehicles.

    Many would say the same of your Bentley GT. They are bigger gas hogs than any SUV the EPA has listed.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,859
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  • Gary...Now that you mention it, YEs I'd like to own one of them big, macho mechanized Swartzinegger muscle flexers. BUT... that would be in a world of 99 cent a gallon gas or putting it another way.."when pigs fly!!" Who cares that it takes up two parking places and hardly ever fits in any garage except a barn perhaps. Who cares that if a "Hummer bumps into you it'll probably run over you.
    As to my alter ego ....I guess what I'd prefer to entice the hot babes with is an Austin-Martin (James Bond style). It seems to me that our cars do reflect alot about us but not everybody sees us as what we really are...just people going from point "A" to point "B" only some of us choose to make a statement thru, as you put it, our alter egos.
    One thing for sure. We will adapt when fuels become either short of our demands or so expensive that modifications will be in order. That includes you too!! Oh!! And everyone else
    Railroadjames :surprise:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,886
    I'd probably be happy with an S2000 or Boxster for cruisin' chicks. My wife won't let me buy one. I understand what you are saying and agree with most of your posts. I came to Edmund's 6 years ago looking for a decent mileage PU truck. Guess what? They are still not available in this great land of ours. There are small PU trucks the world over that get 45 MPG. Not here we have gas guzzler small PU trucks. You are lucky to get 20 MPG out of the smallest PU available. I am happy they are making a little progress with cars such as the Prius & HCH. What about the other half of the population that don't like driving a 4 door sedan?
  • waltercwalterc Posts: 6
    Hi,
    Anyone have any recent talk about the 'o6 model? I have a chance to buy an '05 but since patience is the only virture I have in abundance, should I wait for more improvements?
    Thanks.
    Walter
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    I've read conflicting reports. I know that the Salsa Red will not be an option for '06. There will only be 3 options packages. I did hear something about a different grill but that is still unconfirmed. Overall, pretty much still the same car. Wait for the 06 and get a nice juicy $3100 tax credit. I have my order in already.
  • rasmanrasman Posts: 10
    anyone know what the tax break is, i believe its 2000$, can u take an accelerated one time deduction, or does it have to be amortized over several years, best regards all, and thanks to anyone who answers with the facts!!!!
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    $2000 deduction. No need to amortize.
  • In terms of interior size, it's close to a Camry than a Corolla:

    Passenger Volume (Prius/Camry/Corolla) 96/102/90
    Wheelbase (Prius/Camry/Corolla) 106.3/107/102.4
    Front Leg Room (Prius/Camry/Corolla) 41.9/41.6/41.3
    Rear Head Room (Prius/Camry/Corolla) 38.6/37.8/35.4

    I wouldn't have thought Passenger Volume would include a trunk calculation.
  • I also wanted to add that in terms of weight, the Prius' curb weight is 2,890 lbs, the Camry 3,108 lbs and the Corolla 2,530 lbs. In fact the Prius is closer in weight to the Camry (218) than the Corolla (-360).
  • otis1otis1 Posts: 142
    I wasn't trying to compare the prius to a corolla. if you re-read my post, I was wondering where edmunds got their numbers. If they use the numbers on the edmunds.com TCO, the prius and the corolla cost the same in a 5 year period and the prius is CHEAPER compared to the camry.

    I was wondering why that edmunds report used different numbers to skew the results.
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