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Toyota Prius



  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    WOW the OEM tires were replaced after only 15,622 miles because ONE of FOUR tires had a piece of metal in it. Why not just replace the one tire.

    I had heard that the Prius I was hard on tires because of the load rating. It also appears that the Prius II is equally hard on tires.

    In reference to #3503 and #3506, John you yourself have said that the Prius II is not profitable yet. Did you mean unit profit or bottom line recovery of the HSD development costs?



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  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > Why not just replace the one tire.

    Read the title.

    These new tires clearly hold the road better, in both wet & dry conditions. And they last twice as long... which that alone covers the cost.

    > It also appears that the Prius II is equally hard on tires.

    How in the world can you jump to that conclusion? It is totally, completely false... nothing but an attempt to create a misconception.

    The classic Prius had tires with a treadwear rating of 160. The 2004 tires have a treadwear rating of 460 and the surface area is greater. That's a huge improvement.

    Of course, some classic owners (like me) just upgraded to better tires anyway. And that ended the rapid wear problem immediately.

  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    I upgraded my tires because I didn't like the OEM tires. I had them once before on a RX300 and they were horrible. If you read the tirerack reviews, no one really likes them. My replacement tires have over 12,000 miles with no signs of wear. I love this car.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    Look back at post #2102 by John1701A. He changed to GoodYear Integrity on his Prius I and recommneded it to Toyota and was please that they put it on the Prius II as OEM.

    to quote:

    "By the way, that's another "amazing coincidence" for Toyota. They just happened to choose the same type of Goodyear rubber for the 2004 that I bought and promoted as an alternate for the classic...


    john1701a Jan 6, 2004 9:36pm!keywords=allin:msgtext limit:.ef169e3 goodyear

    Does that mean your recommendation has changed now to the Michelin Hydroedge long wear 760 A B ?


  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > He changed to GoodYear Integrity on his (classic) Prius


    I changed to Goodyear ALLEGRA tires.

    That are not the same.

    It turns out that they are more different from the Integrity tires than the specifications initially indicate. And I photos to help support that too, besides the 16,000 miles of driving comparison.

    Remember, just because the rubber is a similar compound, that does not mean it will react the same way when a different tread-pattern is used.

  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    Whatever, I was just stating what you said back in Janaury. If you want to dispute you own statments then have at it.

    If you changed to Goodyear tires on your classic Prius, Prius I

    And if Toyota used the same type of rubber that you had bought.

    One would assume that when you said same type you were referring to the GoodYear Integrity rather than the Goodyear Allegra.

    Anyway, being somewhat conservative minded myself, I would have bought one tire and upgraded when all the tires were worn. Wouldn't that also be the green Prius approach. Do you realize how much pollution making just one tire, let along four creates??

    telle est la vie,

  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...does every post require a response, or a challenge? Why does this board, which can be so informative and helpful at times, have to periodically turn into this contest of wills?

    Like most here, I value John's insights and contributions, and wonder why each of his posts seems to require a response from you, usually a negative one? Am I the only one who feels this way?
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    "Twice as long"

    The treadwear ratings are only accurately comparable between tires of the same brand per UTQG. So a 760-Michelin versus a 460-Goodyear is not numerically double, nor is comparable between the two different brands. Many complain about the characteristics for the Integritys, but most get over 60,000 miles wear. I doubt the Michelins will get on average 120,000 miles.

    Given also that the Goodyears are $51 versus $97 on Tirerack, I don't think economics vs. wear would make much sense. The handling, wet weather capabilities, and mileage may be a far different story.
  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    Midcow is really not a troll. He just likes to bait John. I'd call midcow a strong minded Texan with a heart of Prius. I actually think he adores the car but just can't say it in public. Msg to John:

    I salute you and all your efforts to the Prius community. I believe you make every effort to make sure you convey accurate information. Keep up the great work!!
  • tfilibertitfiliberti Posts: 21
    Just came across a used 2004 Prius at Wappinger Falls Toyota in New York State, 18k miles ,
    dual airbags only option mentioned....
    $29,777 people I show this to think it's a misprint... I DOUBT IT !!!! LOL
    Ordered mine in Nov' 03 still waiting :-(
    #5 on the list so I figure in the fall...Dealers in this area ,Hudson Valley, already stopped taking new orders .
  • I prefer to use good but inexpensive tires because tires perform horrible near at the end of the tread. Increase in road noise, degrading grip, etc... Changing out with another set of inexpensive tire would give me another brand new performance. Installation and alignment here is only $15 for all 4 so, it is still worth it.

  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    WOW... I feel for you. I wonder if that deal will get his price? I got mine at a rural PA dealer on Nov 8th. I placed myself on the list last July. Best thing I ever did. Was wondering why you're getting rid of your Jetta. Problems?
  • rpgolferrpgolfer Posts: 157
    Hi gang,
       I have benefitted from john1701a's knowledge and experience too many times to subject him to a microscope. There's a difference between "been there/done that" and "it should be like this".
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    I like all the Prius experience(s) and knowledge that 1701a provides, it's a shame that everything he says is nit picked to death - I have to wonder what he might share if not under a microscope all the time, your web site is great, thanks John.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    Yes, they should last twice as long (or so). Close is more than good enough anyway, considering the handling benefit. The Integrity tires are warrantied for 50,000 miles. But actual observation (tread depth remaining), put them at 40'ish for real-world life. The Hydroedge tires are warrantied for 85,000 miles. I'll have data available by the time others actually need it.

    And guess what, I was wrong! (How about that?) Some of the Hydroedge sizes, including mine, provide support for a maximum PSI of 44. So it looks like I might not be taking any MPG penalty at all. We'll see.

  • xcelxcel Posts: 1,025
    Hi John1701a:

    ___Let me know about your real world mileage experiences with the Hydroedge’s on your Prius II also. The Integrity’s on the Corolla are at 63,000 and probably only have another 5,000 or so to go. With that, I am actively looking for another reasonable priced LRR tire(s) as replacements.

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne R. Gerdes
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    My driving is quite a mixture of city, suburb, and highway. So I'm not sure how that would apply to your highway-cruising-only use. But you never know what we'll find.

    I'll share discoveries as I make them.

  • little_pogilittle_pogi Posts: 148
    John, I would assumed you used the same tire size. Some postings from another owner earlier this year recomended changing to a 195/60R15 to improve handling and minimize the floating effect experience by most 04 Prius drivers. Are you experiencing any floating effect on the hydroedge tires? How about road noise while running in dry pavement?
  • eyeman2eyeman2 Posts: 5
    Thanks for the reset-maintenance light info. Tell me how to eliminate the annoying reverse-gear beep? Thanks again!
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    I'm not sure what "floating effect" you are referring too. Got details?

    And switching to a wider tire would be the opposite of what I'd recommend. Having so much experience with snow driving, I know well that thinner tires dig better. In other words, you want as much weight as possible on the contact patch.

    Whatever the case, the new tires (same size) handle better. I can take corners even harder now.

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