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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,890
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  • Falconone:

    Thanks for the post on the 2006 Prius specs. I have my name down at a large Toyota dealer for a 2006 Prius option package #6. Didn't have to put down a deposit or anything.

    Well I sold my old Lexus to Car Max but I didn't buy a replacement now down to only trhee cars.

    Didn't buy becuase of several factors:

    (1) Insight or Prius - my wife feels power would be marginal in Houston traffic. I did get cought in one line in the slow Lexus ( only 0-60 in 8.3 seconds)that was turning and almost was stopped and the lane next to it was still going 50-60 mph. I was barely able to break into the fast line. Alas I would have been stuck in either a Prius or 5-speed Insight.

    (2) Wants to wait until April next year ( raise / bonus time)

    (3) She suggested that a Civic Si would be more my style of a commuter car ( Actually I was also looking at an MX5 and convertable Mini S ; the MX5 Touring is under $21K)

    (4) Do the math. If I got either a Prius or Insight I would be paying $400-$500 per month for payment. I would save, in my case around $125 per month. Do the math that is a net increase of $275 to $375 per month.

    You should be down to about 6 weeks till you get your Prius.

    Cruis'n in 6th,

    MidCow

    P.S.- Is VW stupid or what they raised the price of their enw Jettas $5-6 K , now a fully loaded one is $26K and for the TDIs they want to charge a premium of $1,500 to $2,000
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    You must be joking midcow!! Can't believe you but the bullet. I encourage you to go through with the purchase, but don't expect to save money. It's a FUN car. Are you keeping the sweet Accord 6 speed?
  • I was quoted MSRP by a couple of dealers in the SF Bay Area for delivery in January. That seems like the best price I can get. Anybody else know of a dealer in this area or around it selling for below MSRP?
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Highly unlikely. You MAY get a deal on an 05 before year end though. Most people are putting off their purchase to get that nice fat tax credit of ~3 grand c/o Uncle Sam.
  • Falconone,

    It's a hedge, the odds are on a "Rallye Red" Civic Si. Oh darn! it only comes in a 6-speed manual.

    IF frogs had wings they would fly, If a Prius had a 6-speed I would buy (Please listen Toyota representatives)

    Cruis'n

    MidCow

    P.S. Prius +gas mileage, techno, utility -colors,performance, lack of 6-speed

    P.S.S.- 6 speed Accord will remain. The accepted proposal was for an ADDITIONAL "commuter" car ;)
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Get the Civic SI. Love the looks and great mileage. PLUS... it's a Honda. Can't go wrong with that. I would have cringed if you wanted the Cobalt SS (super silly). LOL!!!!
  • Falconone,

    I thought you said you would only cringe with a SRT-4 choice :P Yes Rallye Red Si it will be come April 2006.

    How long until your Prius comes in ?

    I have decided after many years and many cars the best reliability is either through Toyota/Lexus or Honda/Acura. I had one BMW and I like the handling and the engine performance, but it had a lot of TSBs and I nkow what they mena when they say "Break My Wallet". Anything not covered under scheduled maintenace, which was pretty long intervals, calculated by the maintenance minder, was very $$$

    From a technological, features, utility and high gas mileage standpoint the Prius is the clear winner! I analyze lots of cars and lots of fetures and I find it humerious that about the only thing nay-sayers come up with is that a handful of Priuses encounter a software problem so therefore empirically all Priuses must have ctatstropic software problems. It is kind of like the auto Accord tranny problems. Makes no sense!

    Good Car! Good Luck! Enjoy!

    Cheers,

    MidCow

    P.S. _ I'll bet the wait is worse that it was waiting for Christmas when you were a kid :)
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Actually... with the brake failures I am uncertain now. I am going to get a Bimmer instead. I am so scared about a brake failure that I had to take two Xanax this morning. I even called my therapist to schedule an additional session this week. Would you like my Prius that is slated for early/mid January? It is #7 (everything sans leather). $500 under MSRP.
  • I was unaware that the price for the '06 had been announced...I cannot find it on the Toyota website or any dealers websites. True, I was out of the loop for a couple of days (sprained ankle), but I didn't think that the MSRP would sneak past me....
    So, what is it, or where can I find it :confuse:
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Posted in Prius 2004+ thread. I've heard there have been tons of cancellations due to the brake problems.
  • I suggest all those who own or are looking at owning a Prius to seriously look at this article. Hybrids are not all they say they are and Definitely not the Ecofriendly 'magic bullet' all the tree huggers were hoping for. All get much worse than the projected EPA estimates. Hybrids are a joke!!
    And Toyota's corporate fuel economy has slide considerably in the last 20 years becasue they build just as many GAS Guzzling trucks as the big 3!!! Toyota has got the American public duped and Americans just such it up!!! Amazing!!
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    jonnyanalog, just a minit thar, pardnar !! Time fer some EDUMACATION !!

    You say "Hybrids are not "all THEY say they are.""

    Who are these mysterious THEY people? Certainly not the mainstream media, who talks incessantly about the "hybrid premium" and how "you'll never recoup your extra money in gas savings."

    You've apparently not got the facts right, amigo.

    Last I checked, the Prius is the second cleanest internal combustion engine car in the USA, right behind the Civic GX CNG car. And the Civic Hybrid ties with the Prius for the Best EPA Air Pollution score ever issued, a 9.5 on a 10 scale. And both cars score a 10 on the GreenHouse Gas scale.

    And you don't even know about the flawed EPA tests, do you? Even the EPA has acknowledged that the 40 year old test, only SLIGHTLY modified in 1986, is severely flawed.

    Did you know the cars never leave the test lab?

    Did you know the Hwy test never goes above 55 MPH?

    Did you know that ALMOST ALL CARS ON THE ROAD IN THE USA come in below the EPA estimates?

    Did you know that a Prius was recently driven almost 1400 miles on one tank for a 109 miles per gallon figure, on REAL roads, by REAL drivers?

    Did you know that there are many drivers of the Honda Civic Hybrid who achieve more than 55 miles per gallon?

    I think if you are gonna come in here talking all wild about the misgivings of Hybrids, you should know the fax, my friend. I welcome any further questions or requests for clarification. :shades: :D
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Thanks so much for the headsup. Due to all the other information I've gleaned from this board I've cancelled my order. Especially after that Auto Week article. Jeez.... such awful mileage. I am so glad I am a member here. I've learned so much!! Thanks y'alll.... Now...over to the Bimmer forums.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Here is something I cut and pasted. PLEASE..don't laugh..

    ON MARCH 26,2005, I WAS DRIVING HOME FROM TEMPLE. SUDDENLY, MY CAR LOSE POWER. ALL PANEL LIGHTS LIGHTED UP. I PUSHED THE GAS PADDLE, BUT THE ENGINE WOULD NOT RESPOND. I TURNED OFF THE POWER THEN TURNED BACK ON, BUT I CAN ONLY SHIFT TO NEUTRAL. ALL PANEL LIGHTS STAY ON. I USE MY INSURANCE TO CALL A TOW TRUCK TO TOW MY CAR TO WONDERIE TOYOTA. THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT TOLD ME THAT THEY REPROGRAMED THE COMPUTER. THE CAR WORKS AFTER REPROGRAM AND THEY COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. ON APRIL 6,2005 IN THE MORNING, I TURN ON THE POWER. ALL THE PANEL LIGHTS STAY ON AND I CAN'T SHIFT. I CAN ONLY SHIFT TO NEUTRAL. AFTER ABOUT 15 MINUTES, I GOT OFF THE CAR AND OPEN THE CAR HOOD. I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. I REMOVED MY HAND WHICH HOLDING THE HOOD SO THE HOOD DROP HARD ON TO THE CAR. I WENT BACK IN THE CAR. THE CAR START COULD RUN AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW IF THE HOOD DROP HARD ON THE CAR HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT OR NOT. I TOOK MY CAR BACK TO WONDERIE TOYOTA, THE SERVICE REPRESENTIVE DID NOT WANT TO TAKE MY CAR IN. I TOLD HIM THAT I WON'T TAKE MY CAR BACK WITHOUT CHECKING. I READ THE COMMENTS ON THE RECEIPT AFTER I PICK UP MY CAR. THE MECHANIC DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS WRONG WITH MY CAR. HE DID NOT DO ANYHTING. Obviously

    We do have to accept that some complaints are valid, but I simply cracked up reading this one. Someone should tell this guy that it is a no, no to DRIVE to Temple!!
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Please... if you're familiar with the Prius..try and contain yourself:

    I DID NOT HAVE A FAILURE, BUT I HAD AN EXPERIENCE THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOU AND TOYOTA. MY EXPERIENCE WAS ACCIDENTLY HITTING MY RIGHT KNEE LIGHTLY UPWARD AGAINST THE LEVER THAT IS USED TO PUT THE CAR IN DRIVE, PARK, REFERSE AND BATTERY. I WAS TRAVELING ON THE HIGHWAY AND WAS SHIFTING MY WEIGHT SLIGHTLY TO GET MORE COMFORTABLE AFTER I HAD BEEN DRIVING SEVERAL HOURS. WITHIN A FEW MINUTES, LOOKING AT THE DASHBOARD, I NOTICED THE CAR WAS IN THE "B" MODE WHICH I GUESS IS CALLED BATTERY. I SHIFTED BACK INTO DRIVE WITH NO PROBLEM. HOWEVER MY THINKING IS THAT IF SOMEONE DID WHAT I DID (IN THE WAY OF ACCIDENTLY TAPPING THE SHIFT LEVER WITH THEIR KNEE) AND DID NOT NOTICE THAT THE CAR HAD SHIFTED TO BATTERY, AFTER DRIVING FOR SOME TIME (X HOURS OR MINUTES) THE BATTERIES THAT DRIVE THE ELECTRIC MOTOR/ENGINE WOULD RUN DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE THE CAR WOULD STOP RUNNING AND COULD NOT BE RESTARTED BECAUSE THE BATTERIES WERE SO RUN DOWN. ALSO THE ENGINE WOULD NOT START AGAIN BECAUSE THE BATTERIES RUNNING THE ELECTRIC MOTOR WERE NOT ASSISTING IN THE DRIVE OF THE CAR AS DESIGNED. I NOTICED A NOTE ON A WEB SITE THIS EVENING THAT INDICATED THE CAR WOULD NOT RUN WHEN THE BATTERIES WERE BELOW A 20% CHARGE. IF THIS IS CORRECT, IT WOULD FIT IN WITH MY THEORY. THE SHIFT LEVER NEEDS TO BE HARDER TO MOVE SO THAT ACCIDENTAL CHANGES SUCH AS I EXPERIENCED WOULD BE PREVENTED. IF THIS IS TOO EXPENSIVE, MAYBE A CHEAPER WAY TO FIX TGHE PROBLEM WOULD BE FOR AN ALARM LIGHT OR AUDIBLE SIGNAL TO GO ON WHEN THE BATTERY PROPULSION HAD BEEN GOING ON TOO LONG UNASSISTED BY THE GASOLINE MOTOR. MAYBE I'M ALL WET, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T HURT TO LET YOU KNOW MY THOUGHTS.

    So..this guy owns this car and thinks B is for battery!!!

    Hey... hello...READ THE MANUAL!!!!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022
    So..this guy owns this car and thinks B is for battery!!!

    Seems some Toyota salesmen think "B" is for battery also. Who wants to spend hours reading a manual when they buy a new car? I never do. Check it for maintenence schedules etc. It sounds like you expect the people that buy a hybrid to all be engineers and understand what some engineer at Toyota had in mind. Not all car buyers spend as much time on the computer researching as you and I.

    kevinfla, "2006 Hybrid Toyota Highlander" #2117, 9 Nov 2005 11:07 pm

    I have a question about the "B" on the drive shift. The salesmen said it would allow me to drive on Battery only.
  • 3c33c3 Posts: 74
    Toyota Sunnyvale. $350 off MSRP for 2006 package 7. I put down my deposit in August, so I don't know if they're still offering discount off MSRP.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    If you buy a car, you should read the manual. I'll make this short and simple. I have NO pity for them. As to car salesman's knowledge, it's very poor as well. I can quote wrong answers from the best dealerships. One guy from a Nissan dealership said "nah...you don't need ABS, this car is light". My friend took a Toureg for a test drive and the salesman did not know how to adjust the suspension. PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE is valuable. The Prius is really different from many other cars. If you go to specific Prius chat rooms you'll be amazed at some of the nuances of this fabulous automobile.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022
    If you buy a car, you should read the manual.

    I rent a lot of cars. Sometimes to drive a few miles. I am not going to read the manual on all those different cars. It is the job of the engineers to design a car that is intuitive. If it is a car that can run on batteries a "B" button would logically denote battery operation. I know on the HH and RX400h there was a lot of debate on that very subject. About the only thing I have needed to check the manual for in any new car was setting the time and what kind of oil to use. Most problems encountered with newer cars is not in the manual. It would be nice if they included a DVD with the shop manual. It would not cost them more than a buck. Then you would have some useful information. For example, how many people have enquired about the voice commands, Bluetooth application & NAV operation? Is it detailed in the manual included with the car? I do agree those kind of problems should not be posted on the ODI website.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    The problem is that non computer literate people are buying highly complex cars. I dare you to master the Idrive of the BMW or the COMMAND system of the Mercedes as soon as you get into the driver's seat. Rental cars are intuitive because they're simple!!! Not much complexity to an Impala/Hyundai Elantra, Ford Focus etc. As to the voice commands, there is a spreadsheet available on the net with all of them. Do you actually think people are going to memorize 300+ commands? It's a novelty. The NAV system is very intuitive. I did not even have to read the manual when using it.
  • canccanc Posts: 715
    Including a DVD with the owner's manual is a valid suggestion, but bear in mind that it would cost a lot more than $1; although the DVD itself would be cheap, production costs (actors, texts, editing, layout, etc.) would be very expensive, and since the information is already covered in the user's manual, it would be an unnecessary cost for Toyota.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022
    production costs (actors, texts, editing, layout, etc.)

    I am referring to the shop manual. A printed document such as a PDF file available on CD or DVD. It should be available. Usually you pay several hundred dollars for them. I don't work on my cars like I used to so I really don't need one. It would be handy for the more intricate questions that arise with most new cars. Such as the 300 voice commands that are used with the NAV system.
  • canccanc Posts: 715
    In that case, you're right. I thought that your idea, or at least what I thought you said, was really creative--why not have a DVD flash-based or similar user's manual? It would be far more interactive, and perhaps less complicated for people that are really not "mechanically enclined". With printing costs only going up, it would be a great way for companies to cut down on these costs by replacing the printed version with a DVD.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Actually... what they should do is get your email address and just forward you the manual in a PDF format. I already have the manual for many cars in PDF format just for informational purposes.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022
    That is how we get almost all out manuals now for Telco gear we buy. Or download from the website. It would be a good service for automakers to offer on their sites.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Actually... Toyota has a ebrochure on their websites if you're interested in purchasing one of their cars. I did this when I purchased my Mini Cooper too. Heck.. I think most of them do now.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,022
    if you're interested in purchasing one of their cars.

    I would never say never. I thought the Camry I rented was decent, better than the Sebring. If the Cambrid gets high 30s to low 40s on the highway, it would be a possible. That is after the smoke clears. I learned my lesson on buying frenzies forty years ago.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    Just said Toyota... I meant any manufacturer. I'm neutral because I come in contact with Prius owners all the time who have more passion for their cars than their significant others!! Go figure!! I go by statistics. I am quite confident that a huge majority of Prius owners will have trouble free ownership.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    I've got that one beat. This is the funniest complaint I've found:

    I HAVE A 2004 PRIUS. (YOUR SUSTEM DOES NOT SHOW A PRIUS, SO I CHECKED THE TOYOTA MATRIX BOX, SINCE THE SYSTEM MADE ME CHECK SOME MODEL BOX.)THE TOYOTA NAVIGATION SYSTEM IS DEFECTIVE--IT DIRECTS TURNS ONTO NON-EXITENT ROADS. PEOPLE WILL DIE WHEN THEY FOLLOW THE SYSTEM'S DIRECTIONS AND DRIVE OFF ROAD AND CRASH. LETTERS TO TOYOTA HAVE GONE UNANSWERED. BY TELEPHONE TOYOTA ADVISES THAT THIS IS NOT THEIR PROBLEM

    I try to picture in my mind the idiot who would turn onto a nonexistant road at a speed high enough to cause death.
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