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  • ...this may have been discussed previously but when you let the Prius coast what are the advantages?
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > when you let the Prius coast what are the advantages?

    The engine shuts off. And not just while you are coasting either. If the power demand remains below 10kW, the motor will supply thrust exclusively.

    So you can be cruising alone the highway at 65 MPH gliding down a very gentle decline (less than 1%) and the engine stop using fuel. (It will still spin though. 42 MPH is the threshold.) That will increase efficiency while still maintaining the same speed.

    JOHN
  • With the Smart Start/Entry, do you have to actually put the gizmo (for the lack of a specific term for this new fob-device) into the dash like in that one set of pictures for the pre-preproduction model? My impression all along has been that you don't plug any recognition device (ie key/fob) into the dash--you only press the Start button.
  • John, I thought I read somewhere that the threshold for the engine to kick in was higher than 42mph in the new Prius. Maybe I am thinking about the lower threshold for the older Prius.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > do you have to actually put the gizmo into the dash

    Nope! :)

    You just leave the fob (gizmo) in your pocket or purse.

    JOHN
  • I was reading the Edmunds review on the 04 Prius and it said that you can get satellite radio as an option? I thought that this wasn't available? Can anyone confirm?
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    Correct, the threshold for the 2004 Prius is higher. The specs state that Voltage, RPM, Torque of the thrust-motor have all been increased, so we know there's an improvement. However, we don't know what the heck that new threshold is... yet.

    Deliveries begin in less than 2 weeks. The proud new owners will gladly research this and report back to us... Hmm, I wonder who will be first? Since I live in the Midwest, it unfortunately won't be me. Those on the West Coast don't have to wait for train transport. So someone out there will likely have the honor.

    JOHN
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    coasting down the road- it earns you more battery "bars" as Motor Trend likes to put it.
  • Thanks! That's what I thought but those pictures said "smart start" on them and the guy put the gizmo in the dash. I love this car!
  • I am in Virginia and my dealer says I can expect my Prius the first week of November. They only had two orders, both for the fully loaded car, and both are being delivered that week. By then, these boards should be full of reviews. I am especially curious about Bluetooth and the Nav systems.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Re availability... here is the response I got today to a query I sent to a dealer in the Twin Cities, through Edmunds.com's referral service, regarding availability:

    <start email>
    Unfortunately no one has the 04 Prius in stock at this time. The 2004 Prius are expected to start delivering to those who have them on order in late October early November. We are expecting to have a couple of "taxi" units, i.e., demos units for test driving only and not for sale, about the middle of October. We currently have a backlog of 25 units on order, and the list is growing. Last Monday the order count when I logged an order was 17 and now its 25. It takes a $500 deposit to get in the queue, which allows you to define the color and the package.

    In the initial rollout they are planning to limit the build pattern to three configurations. We expect this to be the build pattern until they can ramp up production. As with most new product introductions our "Best Price" will initially be set at $500 off sticker.
     
    04 Prius Configurations and Pricing including the $515 Destination Charge:

    Pkg. #3/AF includes: Rear Intermittent Wiper, D/P Side & Curtain Airbags
    $21,345.

    Pkg. #8/BG includes: Rear Intermittent Wiper, Smart Keyless Entry System, GPS Navigation, JBL Premium AM/FM/Cass/6-CD w/9 Spkrs.
    $23,665.
                         
    Pkg. #9/BC includes: Rear Intermittent Wiper, D/P Side & Curtain Airbags, Smart Keyless Entry System, Security Alarm, HomeLink Garage Door Opener, GPS Navigation, JBL Premium AM/FM/Cass/6-CD w/9 Spkrs, Vehicle Skid Control, Fog Lamps, HID Headlamps
    $25,760.
    <end email>

    So if we do a little math, make a very rough estimate of 1000 Priuses for all of Minnesota for a year, about 80 per month, less than 10 per dealer per month... 25 cars represents a 2-3 month backlog. That's VERY rough math. You should ask your local dealer about their backlog, it could vary based on several factors. Also bear in mind that current Prius owners get first dibs on the '04s, so that demand must be satisfied first. When the word gets out about this car, I don't think Toyota will be able to make them fast enough.
  • Toyota had a Prius seminar for SoCal dealer sales people last Friday. My salesman said that he got a chance to test drive one of several Prius for the event. They were told that local dealers could start seeing deliveries as early as next week. He promised me to give me a call and have a test drive as soon as a Prius comes in. I am looking forward to that.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > but those pictures said "smart start" on them and the
    > guy put the gizmo in the dash. I love this car!

    There are pictures that *STILL* show the original (1998) Prius and claim that it is the classic (2001). So it won't surprise me at all to see a number of mislabeled pictures for the newest (2004) model either.

    Lot's of pre-production photos are already making the rounds. Just look for a "Start" button. There isn't one on the production model. The name got changed to "Power". But reporters won't pick up on the fact right away, since they commonly reuse existing materials released to the media. Oh well.

    JOHN
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    That actually matches the info I have fairly well.

    One addition is that I GOT MY CALL yesterday from regional! My 2004 is on the way and will be here in less than 2 weeks. Yeah!!!

    So watch for a Silver 2004 Prius cruising the streets of the Twin Cities very soon.

    JOHN
  • Hi

    I had a chance to drive the new Prius & test the intelligent park assist last week in Japan. All I can say is VERY IMPRESSIVE.

    The IPA system works very well and it's really quite amazing to experience. As someone mentioned in an earlier post, it doesn't use sonars but instead the rear-back-up camera (Japan-spec only). However, there is no need to worry about running over a dog or anything else for that matter because you, the driver, control the reverse speed by pressing/releasing the brake.

    Also, to answer another question about why "P" wasn't part of the shift-lever. I understand from speaking with regulatory people that in some cases (and I don't know what those are), NHTSA requires that the PARK gear be separate from the other gears. As this is not the case with 'conventional' vehicles, I assume it has much to do with the shift-by-wire design.

    Anyway, for everyone that has ordered/purchased a new prius, congratulations.. you're getting a great car.
  • Thanks Eatmyvoltage for the info on "P". At least now I see a reason for the "P" not being part of the shift lever.

    On another note, my sales rep told me recently that his dealership will definitely have one Prius as a demo vehicle. Since I ordered my Prius early Sept. I don't expect to see it until late November to early December. Hopefully sooner than latter. My rep also mentioned to me that a few reps from each Toyota dealer around the state (Texas) will be going down to Austin for a demonstration and education session on the new Prius put together by Toyota.
  • oldfoxoldfox Posts: 29
    "Backy" posted that the initial release would offer only three build packages. Can anybody else provide additional info. on this?
    I plunked down $500 at my local dealer and was told I was first in line to get the single prius they had been allocated for a January delivery. The dealer called and got a commitment for Red which is the color I want but they were unable to tell me which package would be on the car. I would like #6BI and will be real ticked if it has the most expensive #8 or 9 and I have to start all over again. Seems that package #6 with the air bag combo and smart entry would be the most popular. T.
  • dupiedupie Posts: 22
    jeep2jetta: I just returned from the dealership that I ordered my 04 Prius from, the sales person said he and others from the dealership were going into Minneapolis for a training session next week on the new Prius, he also confirmed that their TRAC Prius will be in on the 15th of October, and that he will call when it arrives.
    The mechinec who works on the Prius models had his training three weeks ago.
    dupie61
  • Dupie, yes, that is what my sales rep told me. Looks like a bunch of sales people will get training on the Prius, which is a good thing. Funny thing may be that some of us here (not me of course, still a novice at this hybrid thing) will have more knowledge of the Prius then some of the sales reps out there come delivery date. Since I do not expect my car to be in until December, I had put my name down at my local dealer to take a TRAC Prius out for a few days. I figure it's not going to hurt to have an extended test drive and get to know the car before I get my own.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Does anybody know why we don't get IPA if the driver has master control? Just stick a huge sign in the window that says:
    WARNING. DRIVER HAS MASTER CONTROL OF THE IPA SYSTEM. PLEASE TAKE CAUTION.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > Does anybody know why we don't get IPA if the driver has master control?

    The liability is a huge gray area... and you know how sue happy some people are.

    Just look at the odd situation Segway is in. Some people IGNORE the low-battery warning. So after awhile of driving that way, the person falls over because the motors don't have enough electric to balance anymore.

    And of course, it won't work well in the north. Optical systems are almost worthless in deep snow. There just plain isn't any way to figure out where the heck the curb is.

    Then you've got the possibility that some people will abuse the system by figuring out a way to fake it into doing something it wasn't designed to do. Unfortunately, Americans are well known for being "innovative".

    So it quite simply won't be available here at first... someday, perhaps.

    JOHN
  • Also, I can see the Japanese needing a car that can park itself in tight spaces given that country's more urbanized and crowded society.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    I know you said you wanted a response from other people on the packages, but I think if you read the dealer email I posted, it's pretty clear that Toyota is going to be limiting Prius production to just 3 configurations, or package choices, until production ramps up. Makes things simpler for them, probably helps with quality control. The details on the three packages they'll be offering first are in that email.
  • horsejdhorsejd Posts: 18
    In response to the package issue. I e-mailed several local dealers and, among other things, asked about the package availability based on the above noted post. The response I received was that initally the post was correct, only three packages were going to be offered, however, that is no longer the case and all 9 packages will be available. I am located in Southeast Florida so may be that is the difference. Also, I have not tried to order one with a different package so I cannot confirm that all packages are available. (New to the forum and enjoy the info)
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    horsejd- Welcome to Town Hall, and thanks for your message.

    Also, a special thanks to john1701a, mrvadebon, backy and others regulars here... that have provided a lot of helpful information and feedback in this discussion! ;-)

    Revka
    Host of Hatchbacks & Wagons
  • depends on how tenacious your dealer is, and what
    packages your region has decided to order. Yes,
    there are 9 packages available from Toyota, but to
    make things easier on the individual dealer each
    region picks what they think will sell in their
    area and that's what's available to dealers in that
    region. If you have a good dealer, they may be
    able to get you a package that's not in your region,
    either through special order, or by swapping with
    another dealer in a region that offers that package.
  • Here's the list of factory-installed option packages available to dealers
    for model 1224 (2004 Prius). Each region chooses among these packages for
    what will be ordered/available in that area (so you may not have all 9
    options to choose from depending on where you are). With the exception of
    FE = 50 state emissions, each package conflicts with all the other
    packages (so you can't double them up).

    Base 2004 Prius MSRP is $19,995. That does not include the Delivery,
    Processing, and Handling (DPH) fee, any option pricing, or any taxes or
    advertising fees.

    FE = 50 State emissions = MSRP $0

    RW = Package #1 = MSRP $180
    Rear Intermittent Window Wiper

    GY = Package #2 = MSRP $650
    Driver/Passenger Side & Curtain Airbags

    AF = Package #3 = MSRP $830
    Rear Intermittent Window Wiper
    Driver/Passenger Side & F/R Curtain Side Airbags

    AG = Package #4 = MSRP $1,100
    Rear Intermittent Window Wiper
    Security Alarm
    Homelink Garage Door Opener
    Smart Keyless Entry System

    AI = Package #5 = MSRP $1,920
    Rear Intermittent Window Wiper
    Driver/Passenger Side & F/R Curtain Side Airbags
    Security Alarm
    Homelink Garage Door Opener
    JBL Premium AM/FM/Cassette/6-CD In-Dash Audio w/9 Speakers

    BI = Package #6 = MSRP $1,280
    Rear Intermittent Window Wiper
    Driver/Passenger Side & Curtain Side Airbags
    Smart Keyless Entry System

    AM = Package #7 = MSRP $2,255
    Rear Intermittent Window Wiper
    Driver/Passenger Side & F/R Curtain Side Airbags
    Smart Keyless Entry System
    Vehicle Skid Control (VSC)
    Fog Lamps
    HID Headlamps

    BG = Package #8 = MSRP $3,150
    Rear Intermittent Window Wiper
    Smart Keyless Entry System
    GPS Navigation
    JBL Premium AM/FM/Cassette/6-CD In-Dash Audio w/9 Speakers

    BC = Package #9 = MSRP $5,245
    Rear Intermittent Window Wiper
    Driver/Passenger Side & F/R Curtain Side Airbags
    Smart Keyless Entry System
    Security Alarm
    Homelink Garage Door Opener
    GPS Navigation
    JBL Premium AM/FM/Cassette/6-CD In-Dash Audio w/9 Speakers
    Vehicle Skid Control (VSC)
    Fog Lamps
    HID Headlamps
  • I've gotten some info on the New England region 2004 Prius availablity.

    In this region, there are only 3 "accessory combination" packages
    available for Model 1224 (2004 Prius 5-door liftback, CVT-E). For the
    region, 92 Prius were ordered in August (for the September
    production/October arrival).

    20% of the orders (18 vehicles) were for:
    Suffix AG = Combination packages AF + FE = MSRP $21340
    AF = Rear window wiper, side & passenger side and curtain airbags
    FE = 50 state emissions

    40% of the orders (37 vehicles) were for:
    Suffix AH = Combination packages AI + FE = MSRP $22430
    AI = Rear window wiper, anit-theft system, garage door opener, driver &
    passenger side and curtain airbags, JBl AM/FM/cassette/CD changer with 9
    speakers
    FE = 50 state emissions

    40% of the orders (37 vehicles) were for:
    Suffix AA = Combination packages BC + FE = MSRP $25755
    BC = Rear window wiper, anit-theft system, garage door opener, driver &
    passenger side and curtain airbags, JBl AM/FM/cassette/CD changer with 9
    speakers, Smart Entry and Start system, navigation, VSC, HID headlamps and
    foglamps
    FE = 50 state emissions

    Color choices were for:

    Exterior color: 040 Super White
    Interior Color: 08 Brown/Ivory = 5%
    Interior Color: 18 Burgundy/Dark Gray = 5%

    Exterior color: 1C0 Millenium Silver
    Interior Color: 18 Burgundy/Dark Gray = 26%

    Exterior color: 202 Black
    Interior Color: 08 Brown/Ivory = 4%
    Interior Color: 18 Burgundy/Dark Gray = 7%

    Exterior color: 3Q3 Salsa Red Pearl
    Interior Color: 08 Brown/Ivory = 11%

    Exterior color: 4S2 Driftwood Pearl
    Interior Color: 08 Brown/Ivory = 18%

    Exterior color: 6S9 Tideland Pearl
    Interior Color: 08 Brown/Ivory = 11%

    Exterior color: 8S2 Seaside Pearl
    Interior Color: 08 Brown/Ivory = 13%

    I hear that these will be in by the end of the
    month (October). Also, brochures are arriving at
    dealerships!
  • Question for Jason. I didn't see the answer to the question, does the 2004 prius have an option for satellite radio? Do the blue tooth capabilities of the car go beyond cell phones? Perhaps one could use a blue tooth PDA to upload names, phone numbers and addresses (for the navigational system)?
  • I had originally wanted Salsa Red but my wife does not care for the ivory color interior so my second option was the Millenium Silver which comes with the gray interior. From various pictures I've seen, it looks like the interior for the Millenium Silver cars were light gray and black but now I keep seeing posts of burgundy/gray combination. Which is correct? I thought that the burgundy/gray combo was for Japanese versions only. Any info Jason4Toyota??
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