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Toyota Prius



  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    of BS-ing, if you ask me- when the Camry came out in 01 as an 02, they were saying that the new 4cylinder could joust the vehicle to sixty more than a second faster than the previous version, in the mid-nines. Now, the Prius is coming out, and the Camry takes mid-tens for the same task. Nice and deceptive, if you ask me, and I'm a Toyota fan.

    Backup? The Feb 03 issue of Car and Driver has the manual 4cly Camry running to 60 in 8.3 seconds. I hardly belive the automatic would add a full 2+ seconds to that time.

    Motor Trend last year posted similar numbers for a manual, and in the same test, got, I believe, 9.2 seconds for an automatic. A slightly heavier LE 4 auto with moonroof, airbags, etc in the April 03 MT ran 9.5 seconds.

  • ksprisskspriss Posts: 1
    I don't know about sales, but looking on the road I see maybe one or two current Prius(es) on the road a week, versus maybe three or four Civic hybrids a day. Even as a Honda-Biased man, I admit the Prius has far superior technology, and I LOVE the hatchback idea, but Toyota has to get rid of the ugly, annoying, and just plain stupid interior. Didn't we already learn in the late 80s that digital dashboards are just a pain in the butt and nothing else? Small, offset numbers, which are hard to read, are paired with perhaps the biggest mistake to ever hit an automobile - the touchscreen. The Civic might get less MPG, but it has nice analogue gagues which are easy to read (still not as easy as a regular civic, though) and a simple radio/climate control system using knobs and no glitz.
    The original Prius' flaw was its ugliness and its horrendously difficult to read dashboard. Now I like the new exterior design, but shame on Toyota for keeping the same, idiotic interior design.
  • little_pogilittle_pogi Posts: 148
    There's a popular quote "one man's junk is another man's treasure" ot how about "it may be ugly or stupid to you but to me it's not". In southern California, I see more Prius on the road than Civic Hybrids. Maybe someone can provide official sales stats on Prius and Civic hybrids for the year 2003. Ultimately, it is the consumer(us) who decides if the Prius is indeed ugly or practical.
  • Here in Flagstaff AZ (pop. about 50K) I see at least 5 other Prius on the road in town, but rarely see a Civic hybrid. In our case, I think it has to do with dealer influence. When we were shopping we were told the HCH was special order only and the Toyota dealer had 4 Prius on the lot. We drove the Prius and loved it, we couldn't drive the HCH. Not a tough decision there.
    In the Yahoo Toyota-Prius group there is a couple who have one of each and like them about equally.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    how it looks in person - I think that as with many slab-sided Toyota cars of late, this one has the potential for the stock wheels to look too small in the wheel wells relative to the size of the side of the car. I hope I am wrong. I think in all other respects this one is worlds better than the first one. I especially like the keyless unlock and start option. That will come in various packages, the cheapest of which will be $1120 and include cruise and a couple of other things. So the car equipped the way I would like would cost $21,115 MSRP. Still no factory moonroof though, as far as I can see.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • boxfanboxfan Posts: 180
    nippononly - I agree that the stock wheels look too small in the pictures I've seen of the 2004 Prius. It looked much better as the concept car version shown at the NY Auto Show, with the oversized wheels. I've also noticed that the wheels look small in the current Camry. I certainly don't think this car could sell by looks alone, in fact the looks might keep me from buying one. I'm a big fan of hatchbacks, so in many ways this is the car I have been looking for (although I'd prefer a manual and I'll have to see if it's at all fun to drive), so it's a shame that it's so funny-looking. Maybe I'll like it better in person.

    I see more Priuses in St. Louis than Civic Hybrids, but the Prius has been for sale for several years longer, so you can't really compare. Anyone know the annual sales figures?
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    I really like the look of the Prius--it's very G35/Estima looking. Concerning the interior--I don't mind having something different...I don't want to think I'm driving just another economical vehicle ie Civic/Corolla.
  • little_pogilittle_pogi Posts: 148
    Estima is a minivan sold only in Japan. The old Toyota minivan prior to the Sienna, if I I'm not mistaken is called Estima in Japan. Interestingly, the Estima is one of 3 current Hybrid production models sold in Japan. Go to if you want to see how it looks like. Just just work or figure your way through the Japanese script.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    than the original Toyota van, though. It is a microvan, about the same size as the bb now being sold here as the Scion xB.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • boxfanboxfan Posts: 180
    I don't think the Estima is THAT small. It's smaller than the new model (2004) Sienna, but still seats 7 or 8. I was hoping they would sell the Estima hybrid in the US, but I think Toyota (rightly) thought it was too small for American tastes. It would be great if they put the new hybrid system in the Sienna here.

    The predecessor to the Sienna in the US was the Previa, which was pretty big (my parents have one). I think it was called the Estima in Europe (and possibly Japan), and the current Estima in Japan looks like an updated version of the older Previa/Estima.
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,675
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  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I like them both. The Prius sounds like it's the more practical one, with fold down seats. The RX330 and Escape sound promising too.
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    Hatchbacks are efficient design, since the trunk extends to the roof height. Infact we can put box shaped goods like TV, washer, dryer, etc in hatchback, but not in sedan. There is no reason why some people think ugly. Anyway here is the comparison between
                     Camry, Corolla, Prius
                     ------ -------- -----
    Length 189.2, 178.3, 175.0
    width 70.7, 66.9, 68.0
    Height 57.9, 57.7, 58.6
    Cargo Capacity 17.0, 14.0, 16.0
    Front head room 39.2, 39.1, 39.3
    Rear head room 38.3, 37.1, 37.1
    Front Leg Room 41.6, 41.3, 40.1
    Rear Leg Room 37.8, 35.4, 37.2

    Even though Prius-2004 is much smaller, it outweighs Corolla and compares quite favourable with Camry, that is why it is qualified as a mid-size vehicle.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    of the center arm rest to get it off the floor into a good position to rest your arm on.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    on the "update list" with Toyota for '04 Prius info for quite some time now, and I have yet to hear from them! I would still like to know what size and type of tire it will use...

    I hear they will be out in October (Limited availability at first)...I wonder when they will be available as TRAC cars...I would like to take one out for a weekend and see if I can really get 55+ mpg out of it.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • boxfanboxfan Posts: 180
    Apparently Toyota is adding hybrid versions of the Sienna and Highlander as 2005 models in the US, in addition to the Lexus RS330 model they had already announced. _code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=01546239
  • little_pogilittle_pogi Posts: 148
    Security System/Garage Door Opener that cost another $340. If the Smart & Entry Start system prevent the unauthorized engine start-up, what does the security system do? Isn't the Smart & Entry Start some sort of security sytem?

    I also have one hypothetical situation. I am stop at a red light waiting for the light to turn green. Suddenly an armed person decided to carjack the car to make his get away. Pulls me off the car, get into the drivers side and drives off. If I have the Smart & Entry system, will the car stop dead in its tracks after a few feet? If it does then "cool" and if it dose not "bummer".
  • quasar4quasar4 Posts: 110
    Uhm, if the new Prius is supposed to be quote "...bigger in every aspect than the 2003," then how come the front leg room has decreased from 41.2" to 40.1"??!
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