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Toyota Prius



  • I like the fact that the Prius' looks are unique and stand out from the rest of the crowd, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it "truly beautiful", nor would I suspect most owners if they were being honest. Anyway, it's looks would not prevent me from buying one nearly so much as its sportiness, or lack thereof. I've always liked vehicles that are fun to drive (handle well). From the reports of owners here it appears that the Prius is certainly a very enjoyable car to drive but I doubt that they are thinking about its handling when the rave about the driving experience. It's a technological marvel in so many other ways, that gives most owners great satisfaction, but as Toyota and other car makes expand their offerings I am looking forward to a few choices that offer a higher fun-to-drive quotient. How about a IS350 hybrid that gets 35 mpg in the city.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Very well said. You definately get my point. And, the very cool thing about all this is that your idea is not far from reality in just several more years!! The Prius gets credit for paving the way, but let's look forward to TRULY beautiful and FUN Hybrids. Isn't it reasonable to think that the manufacturers will continue to IMPROVE them in ALL aspects of STYLE, PERFORMANCE, etc.?? The Prius will be remembered as a true pioneer, but the FUTURE will be even MORE incredible! (and, of course, ATTRACTIVE!!!)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    You are talking like this will be the last Prius generation ever. How do you know that the Prius won't continue to evolve and improve, incorporating the latest hybrid technology?
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course the Prius will evolve. It already has done so with a major change from the first generation, and it was a great improvement!! I'm just saying that as the playing field gets MUCH larger, there will be many more interesting choices that will be more attractive, with better performance, more kick-in-the-pants to drive, and even more luxury on some models (if that's your desire). And I do hope that the Prius continues to evolve. It's a great pioneer, and it seems entirely possible and likely that the next generation of Prius would improve in its appearance. I think it will need to do that. There are GREAT looking sexy cars out there, but let's face it, they're not hybrids yet. But they will come.
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    link title

    People are paying an 8K premium and are getting 25 mpg. My CRD does better than that.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,700
    It brings "behavior modification" to an interesting level. The truth is if every car (other than Prius hybrid) had the same/similar type of monitoring system, I am sure for the majority of folks who chose to use this tool, it would increase mpg by a like % amount. So really a large % is really NOT hybrid related.

    I don't have this same tool on my VW Jetta TDI; yet am able to get a range of 44-62 mpg. So it should be fairly obvious the on board tool makes it a bit easier when folks are trying to extract the maxium mpg.

    It is also particularly distressing that (i.e., one) Prius owner/s got 18,000 miles per set of tires!! I got 56,000 from my last set of Corvette Z06 tires !!!!???? More to the nexus is: I project 100-132k from the Jetta TDI tires.!!?? If I had this information before I looked at the Prius, I would have rejected it out of hand. Man this thing eats tires!!
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    A Toyota spokesman contacted by ConsumerAffairs.Com insists that 30 to 36 miles to a gallon is not possible with a Prius unless driver error or a mechanical problem is involved.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    At 29,000 miles, the Michilin HydroEdges (760 treadwear rating) on my Prius are about a third of the way worn.

    That generalization about Prius eating tires has no merit. Any poorly maintained tire on any vehicle will wear out quickly.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    30 to 36 miles to a gallon is not possible with a Prius

    If Toyota knows this is a common complaint, why aren't they advising the dealers on repair procedures or driver training? The OEM tires on my Suburban were still good at 7.5 years and 47k miles. Anything less than that on the Prius OEM tires would be unacceptable. It is about half the weight of the Suburban. The lousy OEM tires on the Prius is one of the biggest complaints. Toyota should pony up with a little better tire.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,700
    So what kind of mileage did you get on your oem Prius tires? What is/was the UTOQ rating?

    To wit,it is interesting that you are only getting 8709 miles per 1/32 in on such a premuium priced and much longer wearing tire. This would project you getting less than the 90,000 mile mileage warranty!? Plus the Prius weighs less than the Jetta TDI.

    (Michelin Hydroedge's, as you probably know are very well rated) Also the Hydroedge is T rated vs H rated for the Jetta.

    On the Jetta TDI with GY LS-H oem tires of 360 utoq, it is coming out to be app 17,000 per 1/32 in. This would convert to a projected 136,000 miles. Actually I would be thrilled to get between 100-110k. So you are getting half as much wear on a 2x longer wearing tire tread than I am. Well rated, these tires are NOT. I have not had the tires balanced nor have I had an alignment (outside of having the delivering dealer verify alignment compliance)

    It is funny how you say I am generalizing and yet do not list what you actually got on your OEM tires.

    Also I was very upfront on what/why I would have used the information. So you are generalizing about what you perceive me to be generalizing AND not what I had actually said. So given your and my numbers, I stand by what I have said.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,700
    Of course Toyota was caught in an embarrassing position when folks got 44 mpg when they fully expected 60 mpg!! :(

    While I do not like the notion of folks suing for the above stated reason/s, it will be interesting to see if Prius owners' win their class action suit for their Prius' failing to achieve on a consistent basis, the mpg EPA rating.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Can't sue the EPA for ratings, because that's


    It's not actionable if it's true, which in this case it is.

    In the lab, EPA can duplicate these results.

    Does not mean it can reach that in the real world.

    Remember, everyone INCLUDING THE EPA knows the test is faulty.

    88% of vehicles do not reach EPA numbers....
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,700
    Frankly, I am not the one (or the segment) who needs convincing. It is YOUR fellow Prius' owner's. :) :(
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Prius' failing to achieve on a consistent basis, the mpg EPA rating.

    Green hybrid website with 390 Prius II owners reporting their mileage paint a less than great picture. Out of those 390 owners only 24 are getting the EPA mileage. No one has shown proof that the tests were NOT done by Toyota. The lady that sent me an email from the EPA said it was not possible to tell if the EPA had done their own test on the Prius. By contrast a much higher percentage of Honda Hybrid drivers are able to get the EPA estimate. I think that Toyota is safe from any lawsuit with all the disclaimers on the window sticker. They are not safe from bad publicity. The media loves to write about bad stuff.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,700
    Given my own and others' Pruis' experiences, it seems the "behavior modification" control is the key to getting the 51/60 mpg EPA rating: specifcially 14-27% worth. However, this is almost 100% true of any GASSER. It would seem to me the gasser hybrid combination is PARTICULAR sensitive to any deviation (or less than ideal conditions) from this behavioral modification technique.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > do not list what you actually got on your OEM tires.

    That data has always been readily available.

    Here is the detail link again.

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,700
    Dear JOHN,

    For the 2nd time, I am specifically asking for the data on the OEM tires. I did read and amply understood on the first reading of your post that you UPGRADED your tires to the Michelin Hydroedge. I looked for the data on oem tires in your ramblings amidst the data and comments but it does not pop out at me. So at the tire upgrade mileage of xx,xxx, you had x/32 in left on the oem tires?
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    Your generalization has been revealed! Originally, you stated Prius eats tires, all inclusive. Now you are focusing in specifically on the OEMs (which are cheap). What is your point?

    And for that matter, you drew a conclusion without revealing how. Where is your detail stating 1/32 of should last for XXX miles based on XXX treadwear rating?

    Without that info, the data itself has no context.

    As for my OEMs at 16,000 miles, they had lots & lots of miles left... only roughly 2/32 had been worn off. With my HydroEdges, I have no clue. The "third" comment was just a guess. Since the tires currently wet and sitting in 14F degrees, I couldn't care less about measuring right now. Check much later, they are still too new.

  • I don't think that it is 'beautiful', but it is definitely functional, given that it is a hybrid. Give me functionality over a 'sexy looking' car any day. ;)
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,700
    "Where is your detail stating 1/32 of should last for XXX miles based on XXX treadwear rating?

    Without that info, the data itself has no context. "

    Which I would whole heartedly agree, especially since you refuse categorically to provide it.

    So if the Michelin Hydroedge is in your words "an upgrade", then I would assume you got less than the app 8700 miles of wear per 1/32 in on the ome tires.

    I do indeed understand why you do not wish to put it in (any) context.

    "Your generalization has been revealed!"
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