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  • m4priusm4prius Posts: 31
    akasry stated: "I drive a Subaru Forester - but rarely. I bicycle commute (14+ years - rain or shine) to work. The handling, ride, etc of the Prius is not the Forester's equal (all but sports car handling + 5 Star Crash rating). 04 Prius still feels unsafe and insubstantial."

    The Prius is unsafe but a bicycle commute is??? Do you wear a helmet?!
  • "based on the poor crash results of the 03"

    Interesting. I just checked the NHTSA website for their 2003 crash data. They use a five star system with 1 being "poor". I didn't see any one star categories for the Prius. In fact, they were all 3 or 4 stars. I think the inaccurate use of the word "poor" is what John is referring to when he uses the term vague.

    I checked another site too: www.fueleconomy.gov. I compared the 2004 Prius with the 2004 premium AWD Subaru Forester and here's what I found:

    MPG combined: Prius 55, Forester 21
    Annual Greenhouse gas emissions: Prius 3.5 Tons, Forester 9.2 Tons
    EPA air pollution score: Prius 10, Forester 6 (10 is best)
    And the most surprising thing (to me): Passenger volume: Prius 96 cubic feet, Forester 95 cubic feet.

    Is that the refrain of Roberta Flack I hear? Killing us slowly with his right foot...

    As for the "ride", I agree that this is subjective and I think it is great. The turning radius is fantastic if you have an appreciation for exactly where the front and rear ends of your car are. Perhaps you haven't mastered this yet. Sounds like your MIL may not let you, seeing as how she loves the car.

    MY 2 cents (with 5000 miles on my 2004 Prius)
  • talleyidtalleyid Posts: 34
    Sorry I can't provide the specific reference but NPR recently did a story about the statistically higher injury rate in SUVs/Trucks. This seems consistent with the fact that safety standards are higher for passenger cars than for SUVs and trucks. I believe it's a common belief that bigger vehicles are inherently safer which I don't agree with. This story seems to support that.
  • akasrpakasrp Posts: 170
    Again - I simply noted my first impressions - been driving for 30+ years -have driven a lot of 25k+ vehicles in that time - expected to be a bit more ‘wow’ed by a $28K vehicle made by the brains behind Lexus.
    Obviously Prius gets great mileage - tangentially throwing that in my face I guess is deserved payback for my ‘inflammation’ albeit IMO obvious and has nothing to do with my disappointment in the vehicle.
    FWIW, I was not initially comparing Prius to Forester - I was asked what car I drive. I am aware the Prius is greener than any non-hybrid.
    Yes, I was referring to the NHTSA 3 stars as poor - my mistake - not Quantitative/ Ranked ‘Poor’ but Subjective as in 3 is less than 5 or 4, lowercase ‘P’, poor.
    I formally apologize to all - I should not have been so over-the-top, but my first impression when getting out of the Prius was that if felt insubstantial and (for reasons noted including driver inattention thanks to techo-overload - do not recommend to VCR-Impaired elders!) unsafe - I was surprised I felt that way about it.
    I hope time and NHTSA prove me wrong.

    Enjoy your Prii!

    Time to fire up the bike and go make some money...
    Helmeted-Zero Emission-srp
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > It's not worth your life to be a hip, early
    > adopter - wait for the Hybrid Highlander

    So then... What was meant by that?

    JOHN
  • azstanazstan Posts: 74
    This is a good example of someone writing a lot and saying little (in this case...nothing!).
  • azstanazstan Posts: 74
    Just took my 2004 Prius in for 5000 check. Quite pleased with the car...however, waiting to see what effect the southern AZ summer will have (100+ temperatures). Wife especially likes it when interior lights come on automatically as she approaches the car (Smart Entry).

    Average around 48 mpg for 40 mile roundtrip to work which includes both interstate and city driving.

    Only thing that makes me wonder about the design is the antenna. Removing it when going through the car wash is somewhat inconvenient...especially when other cars have antenna built into the glass.
  • akasrpakasrp Posts: 170
    ...(in this case...nothing!)

    At least nothing you want to hear.

    Any/ all dissenting views unwelcome, huh? Pity.

    srp out
  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    Ironic... I used to own a Subaru WRX and sold it because it was so tinny (doors). I enjoy my Prius MUCH more than I ever enjoyed the WRX. I also test drove a Forester which is a nice car, but the doors are as thin as Calista Flockhart!! Talk about tinny!!!! If you don't get the turbo charged Forester the thing can't get out of its way. IIRC the turning radius of the Prius is under 35 feet. Soo..what do we have here? A jealous son-in-law?? LOL!!!
  • bbyrd1bbyrd1 Posts: 8
    There seems to be an inconsistent story by Toyota dealers regarding the process of filling orders. I ordered my Prius from the Burlington, NC dealer on Nov. 11, specifying pkg. #9, mats, and super white color with gray interior, thinking that I could avoid all the high-markup distributor-installed add-ons. I was quoted full retail price plus a $200 dealer service fee. I gave them my $500 deposit as required. I was told that it would be a 3 to 6 month wait for delivery. Last week when I called to inquire about my order, I was told by the sales manager that the dealer has yet to receive any Prius', except two for rental, that the dealer has no control over what Prius' are sent them, that I was no. 5 on the list, and that when they received any Prius they would go down the list in order and sell it to the first one willing to take it. The sales manager had no idea of how much longer it would be, suggesting it may be several more months and that the delay had to do with the difficulty Toyota had in getting batteries. I wonder what the true story is.

    Also troublesome is that, according to the Toyota Prius brochure and website, package #9 is suppose to come with a self-dimming rear view mirror and the homelink security system. Yet when I go to the dealer's inventory web site (which seems to be no longer available as of last week), which is actually the inventory of the Southeast distributor, there have been several Prius' listed with package #9 plus a $200 or $300 option for the self-dimming mirror and Homelink system. Is this not double charging? Has anyone been charged extra for this feature with package #9? Thanks.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    Right now, the Multi-Display value is at 49 MPG.

    Spring is getting mighty close now. All the snow we got last night is melted already. The same thing is suppose to happen tonight.

    When the snow finally leaves for good and the temperature stays in the 40's (or higher!), MPG will finally climb into the 50's and stay there.

    I can't wait! (Only having winter efficiency to report is really a pain.)

    JOHN
  • forrestforrest Posts: 1
    Last summer, after much discussion, my wife agreed with me that we would not buy a used car for our three teenagers to drive. Instead, she would get a new car and they would get her '93 Previa. Though she did not like the first generation Prius, everything we read about the 2004 Prius led us to believe that it might be just what she was looking for.
         On the first day that the new Prius was officially available last October, we made the rounds of three Toyota dealerships in the Gaithersburg, Maryland area. Not only did we learn that none of the dealers had a Prius on the lot, but in each case, they had been taking deposits since July. Even though the deposit was refundable, we were not interested in making a deposit on a car sight unseen.
         The following week, two of the dealers called to tell us that they had a new Prius on the lot for customers to inspect and drive. We returned to the dealership whose salesman we had been the most comfortable with and took the Prius for a spin. We then decided we wanted a super white Prius with gray interior package #9 and floor mats. They wrote up the sales order which came out $64 below list because they only charged us $120 for the floor mats. They did NOT try to force any addons upon us.
         The dealer warned us to expect a four month wait due to the huge backlog. It turned out to be only 3 months and 28 days before we could take delivery of a new 2004 super white Prius with gray interior package #9 and floor mats. We have had it for a month now and are very happy with it. (I would be a bit happier if I got to drive it more often but then, it isn't my car. )
         When we took delivery in mid February, we were told that the same car ordered that day would most likely have a six to eight month wait for delivery. We are glad that we had the patience to wait.
         P.S. My wife really likes the styling of the new Prius. I think that she thinks of it as her personal spaceship.
  • carguy1234carguy1234 Posts: 233
    "When we took delivery in mid February, we were told that the same car ordered that day would most likely have a six to eight month wait for delivery."

    Today, when I ordered my Highlander Hybrid, they told me the wait at this particular Toyota dealership for the Prius was 2 years! Actually the wait is "definitely over a year, and who knows, could be two years by now. The list is really long."
  • juliajjuliaj Posts: 8
    My Prius has smart start. This morning I turned my car off as usual when I got to work by pressing the two buttons and watched the display fade. I got out of the car and pressed the button on the door to lock it and heard the one beep. I fumbled with my keys to get ready to enter the building and heard 2 beeps as if the car was unlocking. Ignored the beeps as we have a generally safe parking lot and I can see the car from my window. A half hour later, people came into my office asking me if I knew my car was running. And sure enough, it had turned itself back on and was sitting there, unlocked, waiting for someone to drive it off. How could this have happened?
  • m4priusm4prius Posts: 31
    Can you activate START via the FOB alone????
  • juliajjuliaj Posts: 8
    I'm not aware that the fob starts the car while outside the car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    djasonw: nonsense, even if you thought the Subaru doors felt tinny, that Forester gets 5 stars front and 5 stars back in side-impact tests by NHTSA.

    IIHS gave it even better side impact scores, Best Pick, in fact the highest score the agency has awarded so far.

    5 stars/5 starts NHTSA frontal crash test, and IIHS Best Pick in frontal offset crash test.

    Straight As. Best possible score in 4 different tests.

    I like the Prius, and see no need to attack Subaru's incredibly safe Forester to defend the Prius. Prius can stand on its own merit.

    -juice
  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    Juice...not knocking the Forester other than the tinny doors. A safety rating of 5 is the best, regardless of the doors feeling/sounding tinny. Matter of fact, If I needed a 4WD utility vehicle I'd actually get the new turbo charged Forester. I can definitely live with the tinny doors in relation to everything else that's great in that car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Cool. For 2005 they'll offer that big moonroof with a 5 speed turbo, finally. I just might get one myself.

    Back to Prius, I visited a Lexus dealer and inquired about the RX400H, mostly out of curiosity. Indeed, in MD you get up to $2000 state tax credit, basically it offsets the 5% MD sales tax.

    With Prius, that's a $1250 credit on a $25k car. But with the RX, it's the full $2000 credit. The hybrid option is supposed to cost $3000 more, but you only pay 1/3rd of that. Not bad.

    Something to think about if you live in MD. What other states have similar incentives for hybrids? VA offers HOV lane access.

    -juice
  • m4priusm4prius Posts: 31
    Previous Message....My Prius has smart start. This morning I turned my car off as usual when I got to work by pressing the two buttons and watched the display fade. I got out of the car and pressed the button on the door to lock it and heard the one beep. I fumbled with my keys to get ready to enter the building and heard 2 beeps as if the car was unlocking. Ignored the beeps as we have a generally safe parking lot and I can see the car from my window. A half hour later, people came into my office asking me if I knew my car was running. And sure enough, it had turned itself back on and was sitting there, unlocked, waiting for someone to drive it off. How could this have happened?"

    Would a door ajar condition make the car think someone was entering the vehicle and this a START condition activate???? You stated you heard ONE beep not TWO...should you here TWO beeps during lock condition...would ONE beep indicate door ajar??
  • mfullmermfullmer Posts: 819
    Today I was doing my weekly "Build Your Own Prius" routine on the Toyota website - waiting patiently until I can order an '05 to replace my '03 Chevy Tahoe in January, '05. (Ok, I know, it sounds a bit crazy to go from a Tahoe to a Prius but I'm just that way. I also listen to country, rock and top 40 in the same trip and never base my political views of a person/candidate on whether they are Republican or Democrat. Does that make me well rounded?)

    ANYWAY - Toyota now has "Leather Faced Seats" as an accessory item. ($1,295) That is great! On the other hand, it says they can't be had with the Option 9 package but I'm sure that is just a glitch. On that point, why is it Toyota is so far behind the game when it comes to their website interface? I've never used it to "build" a car (Toyota or Lexus) when I haven't run into instances where it doesn't offer certain options or packages that are available. UGGH

    Anyway, has anyone seen the factory leather?
  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    If leather was FREE, I would still opt for the micro fiber material that comes standard with the Prius. It feels smooth and luxurious to the touch and it's quite resilient. If you get leather, you're sticky in the summer and cold in the winter. Definitely not for me. Kinda crazy to spend $1295 when you can get it for half that through leatherseats.com.
  • rpgolferrpgolfer Posts: 157
    I recently traveled 164 mi (some downhill) 99% fwy and was only able to refill 2.2 gals. That calculates to 74.5 mpg! Does that sound possible? I hate to keep "topping off" to get "full", but how do I know, short of getting gas in my shoes, when my tank is actually full and it's not the bladder fooling me?
      Do I need to wait for another coupla tankfuls to get accurate readings? The driving was at 60 mph w/air cond on. One more question, does the "B" gear position assist in going uphill or just downhill?
    Thanks,
    Rich
  • gscheil1gscheil1 Posts: 72
    In order to completely fill the tank, put gas in as slow as possible. I did that and now have 92 miles on the tank and still showing all bars on the guage.
  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    I found that works very well too. After the click I did an experiment and waited 3 minutes or so. I was able to add another two gallons with no spilling. I don't do that often as it's a waste of time. I still manage to get close to 400 miles on a tank.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    ... keychain. Toyota sent me a nice solid metal keychain with the HSD logo on one side and "Toyota Prius" in black and red on the other. I guess this is to help make up for the long wait--"You've got your keychain now, and soon the rest of the car!" I am looking forward to seeing what interest there is in the Prius at the Greater Twin Cities auto show tomorrow, where the Prius is the Car of the Show. I didn't hear any news bulletins about John being mobbed there, so I assume he's OK. ;-)
  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
    so, how's the keychain for mileage? :-)

    Have fun at the auto show!

    To both you and John, we are expecting full reports AND photos.
  • bobbrown1bobbrown1 Posts: 20
    I picked up my new car on 16MAR and still learning to operate all features. I have a pack 9 and noticed the owners manual shows Daytime Running Lights and Automatic Headlights as features. I thought the pack 9 contained all options, so I called Toyota Customer Service and asked why I didn't get those. Answer: only Canadian cars offer those. I wonder why that is?
    My insurer offers a discount for DRL, and I would have liked to get that.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Aren't DRLs required by government regulations in Canada? That may explain the difference.
  • John,
     
    I remember you mentioned in the past that you have flyers/handouts made up to give to people. I have been invited to two events coming up in April and June that will cover environmetal and clean air issues in North Texas. I was asked to talk about my 04 Prius. Would you mind sending me a copy of your handout so I can get them duplicated to give to people at these two events? Please let me know as soon as you can if you don't mind doing this. You can e-mail me directly at tonyhan @ juno . com
     
    Thank You,
    Tony.
    '04 Salsa Red
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