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Audi A3

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,643
    I know that will be great looking.. It's twin is sitting at my local Audi dealer (minus the convenience package).

    Congratulations!!

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  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Way to go!

    Enjoy!
  • acorin88acorin88 Posts: 14
    Congrats North! You are going to love it!
  • myobmyob Posts: 35
    Kyfdx, I'd disagree about the A3 being overpriced vs the Acura TSX. You have to compare more than just number of features.

    1. The car hits 60mph in 6.7 sec with an automatic (DSG) transmission. (reports from 6.2 to 7.0 from various other sources). The TSX auto is unsatisfying in comparison.

    2. The price differential is about $4000 comparably equipped. But if you can lay off the options on the A3 it's less. I need a sunroof like I need a hole in my head.

    3. The "feel" of the Audi is superior. The fun-to-drive factor was much higher for me. The TSX is a Euro accord and feels like it. Nice, but uninspiring. It felt grainy in comparison to the A3. It certainly didn't handle as well. The DSG and 2.0T makes the A3 vastly more responsive and fun to drive. Europeans charge a LOT for power increases. A non turbo 4 cylinder A3 would probably match the TSX in price.

    4. The Audi Advantage is worth what, $1,000, in terms of free maintenance?

    5. The TSX will probably have fewer problems and resale well, but there is a price to be paid for a low volume car that is unique on the road.

    6. Most of all....PURCHASE PRICE IS NOT THE SAME AS COST TO OWN. As long as depreciation, fuel, insurance, maintenance, repairs, and tag/taxes all add up to the same number, the only difference in buying a more expensive car is interest costs. On $4,000 that works out to about $200/year. More expensive cars are usually more expensive down the line as used cars, too. Meaning, they don't depreciate more than the cheaper car in the same class. I find it is a common mistake among inexperienced buyers to look primarily at purchase price and not at total ownership costs. Usually, unless you move from one class of car to another, your costs will not vary much based on purchase price alone. Depreciation is the most overlooked cost, and that is where the A3 carries some risk vs. the TSX. The TSX resells great, and the A3 is unproven. If the A3 fails to catch on, you could take a hit. But if it does do well, you will do well as future models will see price increases. They are offered now cheaper to try to gin up interest in the model.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,643
    The price differential is about $4000 comparably equipped

    PURCHASE PRICE IS NOT THE SAME AS COST TO OWN

    The TSX will probably have fewer problems and resale well

    there is a price to be paid for a low volume car that is unique on the road.

    Does all this mean you should buy the TSX? Of course not...

    Does all this mean the A3 is overpriced compared to the TSX? I think it does..

    The only thing that keeps it close is the included maintenance on the Audi.. Past history with other Audis and Acuras, suggest that residual value and repair/maintenance costs after warranty expiration will greatly favor the TSX..

    I do agree with virtually all of your points, though... I just think most of them favor the TSX from a cost analysis.

    But, they are two diffferent cars.. I would buy the one that I really liked.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Based on that argument, you ought to swap your bmw for a used corolla, kyfdx. ;)
  • acorin88acorin88 Posts: 14
    Interesting discussion. These were my top two choices. I drove the TSX about a month before the A3 came out and while I was impressed with it, particuarly the features included for the price, I didn't find the driving dynamics to be sufficiently better than my 1.8t Jetta, so I waited for the A3 to give it a go.

    I'm sooo glad that I did, and I completely agree with myob that from a driving perspective the 2.0T & DSG blows the TSX away. That's why I would dispute that the A3 is overpriced relative to the TSX.

    Objectively, I think the A3 provides a significantly improved driving experience over the TSX, which adds value to the A3. Subjectively, IMHO, from an exterior and interior styling perspective again the A3 is a clear winner over the TSX and for me personally, this brings additional value to the A3 over the TSX.

    I still think the TSX is a great car and that it is a terrific value, it's just that if you enjoy the act of driving, and are thinking about an A3 or a TSX, you'll likely go for the A3.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,643
    I probably should... Actually, it wouldn't bother me that much.. as my wife drives it.. ;)

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  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Oh please don't bring logic into the picture.

    Please.
  • kurtamaxxguykurtamaxxguy Posts: 677
    speaking of logic....

    I did email Audi asking about fitting chains to the A3 for winter driving? Guess what? They don't know the answer! They referred me to their dealers, who (they imply) know more about the A3 than Audi itself does.

    Make no mistake, the A3 is a neat car and the AWD version comming next year even better. Perhaps some day Audi will figure out what it is actually selling, and can tell me.
  • bdwellebdwelle Posts: 6
    Thx for your replies on this - very helpful.

    What kind of clamp-on racks are you referring to -- Audi racks or Thule/Yakima? Is this the type that clamps into the door rail? I would really prefer the factory longitudinal rails as it seems to be a cleaner look... Maybe you can clarify.

    Is there anyone out there with a photo of an A3 with OpenSky and factory (or other) racks?

    Also, can you point me to web site where I can get more info on the factory racks?

    thanks!!
  • myobmyob Posts: 35
    My head says TSX. From an accounting point of view it's hard to beat. But my heart would choose the A3, especially after driving them both. The turbo just gives engines that surge of power you don't get in regular 4 or even many 6 cylinder cars. The 2.0T is a big jump up from our '03 Saab 9-3's turbo, which does have some lag. I have read posts elsewhere that say the engine is underrated and probably puts out more like 225hp in reality. The seat of the pants experience I had would support that theory. The DSG? transmission was super crisp and efficient and I found the TSX auto just ok. Be sure to use the S mode on test drives of the A3, btw. It's far more performance oriented.

    I've looked at buying used A4s in the past and never found anything I found attractively priced, so I would say they hold their value pretty well too. The key with them is not to load them up too much with options. The 3.0 versions top out in the 40's so they may have further to fall.

    The TSX is a very competent sedan. There is just something missing with the Japanese cars. The Infiniti G35 is the only affordable "fun" one I've driven, but it is noticeably coarser and louder and runs about $34,000+ out the door.
  • I just ordered an A3 with August delivery. I am a big user of roof racks (bikes, Yak box, skis), so this is a key topic for me. I went WITHOUT the Open Sky, because in my experience, a sunroof is seldom used when you have a roof rack - too much noise. So, I got every other option, including Bluetooth, to compensate! :)
    Apparantly, you can order Audi roof rails as a special order option for about $500, but it was unclear to me whether you have to actually special order on a custom config or just add them later through Audi service (my salesman seemed to think the latter option). However, for $500, I figured I can get an entire new (clamp-on) Yakima or Thule setup with one problem - they are not yet available. I read on the T website that they are currently looking for A3 users to test their new rack system, but no info yet on general availability. Nothing on the Y website. I figure by August, either Y or T will have something. Hope it is Y, because I love their stuff. Finally, I was told there may be other Euro clamp on options, but haven't got anything reliable info yet.
  • ralpherralpher Posts: 21
    Where are all the reader reviews on Edmunds? Why is there just the one ding review? I posted my review weeks ago and it still isn't up.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    I think all of this talk comparing a TSX to an A3 misses an important point - the hatch configuration of the A3. Over 40+ years I've owned many examples of all of the bigs - MBs, BMWs, Audi, VW, Toyotas, Hondas - so there is no doubt in my mind that the TSX would be a far easier car to own and live with for the long pull. But I'm not interested in it at all - it's the 5-door configuration in the A3, combined with its other virtues, that have my attention.

    We are the satisfied owners of a W203 Mercedes C sedan, and I would like a little more cargo-carrying versatility for long trips, without going to something bigger and more expensive. I wanted the Mercedes B-class, which MB has so graciously decided is OK for Canada but not OK for the US. I thought the BMW 1er would be a good choice, which BMW has also decided is OK for most of the rest of the world but not OK for the US. That leaves the A3 and perhaps the Mazda 3 or 6 five-doors, and/or the new Golf and Jetta wagon [if it ever comes], and I am no more enthused about Mazda than I am about VW - both dealer bodies in this country leave a lot to be desired. So the A3 kind of stands alone right now - haven't tried one yet, but will soon...
  • kurtamaxxguykurtamaxxguy Posts: 677
    anyone here test drive the Saab 9-2X before/after the Audi A3?
    If so, how did they compare?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    We've had some software problems with getting the reviews posted, but I assure you that the team responsible for getting them posted is working as hard and as fast as it can to get them all handled. Keep watching!
  • bdwellebdwelle Posts: 6
    Thanks for your reply. I'm still wondering if it's possible to get the Audi factory rack option with Open Sky -- did you investigate that possibility?
  • murmelmurmel Posts: 1
    I drove a 9-2X a couple weeks after driving the A3. Thanks to GM's promo, there weren't any good 9-2X's available to drive (meaning Aero and MT), so I got stuck driving a Linear AT.

    Even trying to account for the inferior engine and transmission, the 9-2X just didn't measure up. The interior is incredibly dull and boring. Granted, comparing to an Audi interior, pretty much anything is going to come up short, but the 9-2X's interior falls way short of so many vehicles (for instance, the Mazda3 interior is *loads* better than the Saab's). The quality of the leather on the seats seems a great deal inferior to the Audi's, and the ergonomics are lacking. The Saab has a little more room in the cargo area, but I want a 5-door not because I need that cargo space every day, but I need it just often enough to make it worthwhile.

    The driving dynamics of the Audi are better, too. The Saab does feel nice and secure at higher speeds (about 90), but it just doesn't corner and handle as nicely as the Audi, I think. Maybe it's the additional weight from the AWD, I don't know. But the Audi feels more tossable and is much more lively in quick maneuvers. And the Audi's steering is much crisper.

    Even with the huge discounts you can get on a Saab right now, even if there were Aeros available in my area, I'm still going for the A3.
  • kurtamaxxguykurtamaxxguy Posts: 677
    Thanks murmel. Given that and the Edmunds review of the Aero version of the Saab, I'll pass on it. Aero version sounds unpleasant for most driving given weak auto transmission and laggy turbo. Linear sounds underpowered for me.

    Will keep reading and watching the A3 AWD. Too bad there are fewer Audi dealers in my area (none at all along a good length of the trips that A3 would have to handle), and I worry they could have the "nose in air" attitude that seems to affect other Euro brands selling here.
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