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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150

bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
edited March 21 in Ford
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  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    for the titan this week, and the F150 was by far the closest second place truck. the only real disappointment i have with the ford is the engine/safety. smooth ride, quiet, capable...but anemic on power and doesnt offer advance trac or side airbags! in 2004?!?!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,689
    is the amount of model choices available, specifically those with 8' beds. Also, F-150 Super Cabs with the 8' bed comes standard with an 8200 pound GVW. This almost matches that of the F-250 Super Duty in terms of GVW and payload. This 8200 GVW is also available in select regular cab/8' bed models too, as an option.

    So, for the time being, Ford offers more to those who would use their truck as a "work vehicle."

    Bob
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    in time, nissan will incorporate the LWB truck, but likely only for fleet sales. but even ford's regular cab has 4 doors now...that really illustrates the direction the cabs are going. research says that 85% of half-ton pickups are extended cab or crew cab.

    also, the utility setup of the titan's bed allows for the bed extender, which extends the bed in the king cab to 8'6"...minus the rounded corners, though.

    one difference also, is that the truck you describe has an MSRP of $28410, equipped like a titan king cab XE 2WD.

    if you equip the titan with the utilitrak bed system, you actually get an 8' usable bed for about $2500 less.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Posts: 595
    Bowke28 I've noticed that you have started several Titan vs Competition discussions. More than reasonable. Could you be you this forum to drive sales/interest up? I appreciate a good debate about which product better serves our needs, but whats with the duplication of topics? Is there personal gain to be had?
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    no personal gain. most buyers live out of range of me, so its not realistic to waste time trying. these discussions are inevitably going to come up anyway, and being one of the few fully knowledgeable people here on the titan, i thought i would go ahead and start them. dont overthink things...i was bored too! ;-)

    i have been in MANY discussions about my product, and other products, simply for informational purposes. if you were familiar with me, you would know that as well.

    also, a discussion of ALL trucks under one title would be just about unmanageable by the hosts.
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    "I have been in MANY discussions about my product"

    about your product? Do you make these trucks?
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    no, i sell them.
  • Bed extenders are great for golf clubs or groceries, but bad for cargo large cargo, like 4 wheelers, or sofas. The specs don't look too bad on the Titan, but we'll see what she'll do in the real world. Or basically if Oklahoma/Texas accepts it as the truck it's trying to be. Remember Tundra failed/fails in this department too, but I do admit the Titan looks to be much better than the Tundra.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Never seen any that long that would require it. Course there's always a first. I would think the bed extender would work perfectly with a sofa.

    What kind of extender are you talking about?
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    king cab has a 6'7" bed with an extender that makes it 8'6". the curve in the extender doesnt happen either till 8'. also, those of you that have never seen the titan's utilitrak system, you are in for a treat...the idea that a work truck is defined by an 8' box is gonna be over. the accessories that come with the bed system will blow you away.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    its not anemic!
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    drive a titan with 305 HP next week...and a ford with 300...THEN you will realize the problem.

    we have both a nissan franchise AND a very large ford franchise in a town that has 2 ford plants. 5 or 6 of our ford salespeople are ford retirees, and die hard domestic buyers, and 2 have already inquired into buying a titan. that should tell you something..

    but back on topic...GMC/Chevy?
  • landru2landru2 Posts: 638
    A salesman can't sell unless he believes in what he's selling. It must be exciting selling (and learning about) a whole new type of vehicle.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    especially, since we have the #1 and #2 pickups in the market...(ill let you all decide which i think is the #1) ;-)
  • I just took a 2004 f150screw with a 5.4l out for a test drive and it was noticeably stronger than my equally equipped 2001 f150. So I am not sold on the anemic tales being spewed out by Nissan salesmen comparing the two motors. I'm in the market for a new truck and the Titan will be considered. However, I am also skeptical about a unproven truck, its motor, and its surrounding components. I will give the Titan a chance, but all this unproven pre hype I'm reading about it is hard to swallow.

    SWIFT.....
  • al63017al63017 Posts: 149
    Looking seriously at Titan. They just won Truck of the year from 4X4 mag or maybe 4 wheeler mag--- read that press release yesterday which claims they really test truck and do not sell the award like Motor Trend. Own Nissan Murano now and have 19000 miles on it and being first year for vehicle it is the best vehicle I have owned of now about 40 vehicles over the years. The info about this review of Titan can be found on freshalloy.com which is a Nissan site. Will keep Murano but need second vehicle to tow street rod to shows. Have been buying Nissan, Toyota and Honda for the last 10 years and been very happy but have had some perfect Chevy and Ford products but the horror stories I read about GM and Ford in these forums makes me reluctant to go back to them. Maybe some good positive stories about new Ford will make me look seriously at them. I like to looks of the 04 Ford also. Seems that Titan pricing may blow away equivalent Ford. Guess we will see. I look at quality first then price and if first year Titan is anything like first year Murano it will be fine. Think car companies now want their first year vehicle to be perfect if they can do that. Did not seem to be much positive to say about first year vehicles but my first year Toyota RAV4 was also perfect but too small.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    Explain please.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    There have been several reviewers of both the new F150 and the titan that have said the Titan feels much more powerful than the F150 with it's 5.4l V8. Several reviewers of the Ford have said that it feels "anemic" and underpowered. In some reviews months ago before the HP figures were released by Nissan, reviewers were saying it felt like it had more bang than the Dodge Hemi which has 345hp.

    The word anemic was used by professional reviewers to describe the F150 not by anyone on this board.

    As to the difference of 5 HP, that means squat. There are many ways for one vehicle to be more powerful than another with only a slight HP advantage. The first thing is obviously Torque. The second is gearing; rear-end, transmission specifically. The Ford has a 4 speed, the Nissan a five speed. That makes a difference!

    Also, F150 XLT 4x4 Super crew with 5.5 foot box with the smaller 4.6l engine tips the scales at 5502lbs. The Nissan Supercrew 4x4 SE tips the scales at 5088 lbs with the 5.6l engine (according to Nissanusa.com specs posted Today). That is a 400lb weight difference without the bigger Ford engine. That also accounts for the power seemingly less as the HP to weight ratio is much better for the Titan!

    A small note: To get the maximum tow capicity in the F150 of 9800 lbs, you must get a 4x2 (in my area, you tow with a 4x4). The maximum a 4x4 F150 can tow is 9300 lbs! I guess when you look at the numbers, in 4x4 mode Nissan does claim the better tow capacity than the Ford.

    IMHO, the Ford isn't a new generation as they claim. It only has a four speed auto tranny, SOHC engine, it is very heavy, etc... The Titan is truly a new generation full size pickup truck, as Nissan claims! But that is only my opinion and I reached it by researching both the Ford and the Nissan.

    I hope this answers your question about the Ford being anemic, in a manner speaking.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    I have to recind my comment about nobody on this board referring to the Ford as anemic; but Bowke did. BUT, I still think he was right (see my last post). Just to add a little bit of ammo to my comment please see this review of the Tundra, F150 and Titan:
    http://www.nissanusa.com/m/pdf/Titan_FourWheeler_012004.pdf

    They were scratching their head about how the Ford doesn't seem to have the power Ford says it does.

    Now Saddaddy, go find an article that compares the power in the Titan and the F150 by road testing them and says they our equal. Otherwise, we can call the F150 anemic (maybe a little strong, but it makes a point).
  • oldharryoldharry Posts: 413
    With this bed extender in the Nissan, where is the center of gravity of the load in relationship to the rear axel if I load 2500 pounds of 4 X 8 sheets of drywall?

    Harry
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    My.You ARE an optimist aren't you!

    Most folks don't put that in thier long bed half ton.

    Does that bed extender come with trainer wheels?

    kip
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    exactly as i would have put it....

    plus this:

    i drove both back-to-back
  • oldharryoldharry Posts: 413
    Ford advertised payloads up to 3000 pounds for the new F-150.

    The F-150 is the new standard everyone else compares to.

    Harry
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    that the F150 has over the titan...that payload, however, is only for the long bed. with the supercrew or short bed, the payload is about the same as the titan.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    and feel completely opposite! There.

    Since you like Four Wheeler magazine so much where was the frontier in this one?
    http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtests/16558/
    I love my tacoma, but even I had to take their test with a grain of salt here -- as should you with this litte article you guys keep strutting around? But if not, I guess you concede that my Tacoma is a better offroader than an H1??? Rock on!

    Its all in good fun -- I just wish I had a bigger truck, "ultimate 4x4/king of offroad" or not.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    when? where? how? do you sell nissans?
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    I've carried 3300-3500 several times in my '01 GMC 2500HD ,which has a gross payload of 3600,and I wouldn't do that in the privious model F150 that we have at the shop.If the new F150 will do it that's an impressive half ton!

    My trainer wheel remark was about bed extenders. It may very well be that the long bed F150 will carry 2500 lb of 4x8 sheets,but nothing with a bed extender is made to carry that kind of load and still steer.Not even the new Titan.

    kip
  • oldharryoldharry Posts: 413
    That was my point. I have a ten year old half ton GVWR 6200#, that weighs about 4500# empty. On a recent project I had 1800# of shingles and plywood on the back, and my wife and me in the cab. That put us about 400# over the gross weight rating, but there was still about 1/4 the empty distance between the axel and the rubber stops.

    The rear axel on my truck is behind the center of the box. I have not check the new Titan, but most Japanese trucks I see have the axel slightly forward of the center of the box. These trucks are less safe when overloaded (as we all do occasionally) than most domestic trucks.

    For a driveway queen it makes no difference, but if you do large projects from time to time, the abilty to safely handle some overload is important.

    While I prefer GM trucks from a personal point of view, the new Ford is an impressive truck.

    Harry
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    There's more to a vehicle than just the initial power ratings, or how much it can haul, and all depends upon the priorities of the consumer's. Given the fact that a greater number of people will probably stick to jumping curbs and medians with these vehicles, such number's might not be a selling point for most consumer's.

    Having driven both, the F-150 in my opinion is clearly ahead in many aspects. The interior by far as set the benchmark in material quality, and this is something echoed by almost every auto journalist in the industry. I was not impressed with the Titan's GM-like plasticky interior which is becoming a Nissan trademark in it's recent vehicles.

    Overall the ride/comfort/quietness/solidity of the F-150 is much greater than that of the Titan in my opinion. Something that the majority of consumer's will appreciate and look for.

    Also helps having so many configurations and 5 alternative interiors to choose from, but again, that's subjective towards the needs of some consumer's although it's nice to have those choices present if need be. And because of this, it's not hard to understand why the F-150 has the highest returning consumer's in it's class, and why it's been a sales leader for around 20 years.

    I do think the Titan is a good strong effort from a manufacturer's first try in that segment (unlike Toyota's 7th/8th approach) and would place it 2nd behind the F-150 (in a spot were GM would have placed in).
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