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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150

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  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Dusty

    "I'd like to know the name of this independent test facility or the source of the information.

    Thanks in advance,
    Dusty "

    I kept the Ward's reference since it's a media outlet that I frequent reguarly and available online for easy view. As to the independent testing facilities, it was a print article which compared various Diesel engine maker's, and in it listed the agencies who monitor this (I'm guessing a JDPower's for Diesel engine design). As to what their agency names where, I cannot remember since this is information from something I read months back.

    Landru,
    " I find it interesting that these types of comments have all but disappeared in recent years as virtually every major import brand now sells their own "gas-guzzling behemoths." "

    Interesting tidbit, the asian manufacturer's TRUCK CAFE is worse than the BIG3. According to an article I read recently on Detroit News.
    Biggie,
    "Its true that the Ford had the SLOWEST 0-60 time of 9.3 seconds which is simply a sad display of how bad Ford messed up in that department. "

    If a fast pick-up is what you would like, there's the F-150 SVT Lighting.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    >>>As to the independent testing facilities, it was a print article which compared various Diesel engine maker's, and in it listed the agencies who monitor this (I'm guessing a JDPower's for Diesel engine design). As to what their agency names where, I cannot remember since this is information from something I read months back.<<<

    Yeah, I think I know what your refering to now. I have worked with our company's fleet program for a number of years and still very close to the industry. I am not aware of any data that supports the claim that the new Powerstroke ENGINE is more reliable than a Cummins. What you are refering to is data that shows that a diesel Ford truck had a lower reported repair incidence than a Dodge in the first 90 days of service, and I'm pretty certain that even that data is now at least two years old.

    While the Ford truck in total may have been "more reliable," that does not mean that the engine itself is the prime contributor.

    Dusty
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    >>>If a fast pick-up is what you would like, there's the F-150 SVT Lighting.<<<

    Excellent point!

    This performance desire is the result of many PU purchasers owning one as a primary vehicle -- in essence in lieu of a passenger car. That's why speed in general is important to some, and having the claim to the fastest one to feed ego for others.

    Dusty
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    It is not an excellent point. It was very flippant.
    It is not about having the fastest and worrying about fractions of seconds. If it was, then some kind of souped-up version would be the best choice. It was about having something that just doesn't feel sluggish.
    The F-150 was so slow it actually felt sluggish trying to quickly accelerate onto a freeway on ramp.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    >>>It is not an excellent point. It was very flippant.<<<

    You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but by the standards of the english language it was not "lacking in respect or seriousness" in my opinion.

    The speed differential you're refering to is not the difference between a quarter horse and a elephant. The new F150 may feel slow to you, and maybe it is compared to something else. But of the Chevy, Dodge, Ford, Titan, and Tundra, what are the actual recorded times?

    I suspect they are reasonably close, close enough to not make a difference to the average buyer.

    Dusty
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "What you are refering to is data that shows that a diesel Ford truck had a lower reported repair incidence than a Dodge in the first 90 days of service, and I'm pretty certain that even that data is now at least two years old.

    While the Ford truck in total may have been "more reliable," that does not mean that the engine itself is the prime contributor."

    Not exactly since the Powerstroke 6.0L has been only out for a bit over a year. The article stated that what they analyzed were the total running hours when they ran/tested all the diesel engines. This was in reference to one testing facility, although they didn't mention what criteria the second one used.

    This article was mainly written because the auto-journalist was discussing the possible push for diesels in the U.S., and the Big 3 Automaker's current plans.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Congrats again to the F-150 which was just awarded North American Truck of the Year at the Auto show. While the Prius received Car of the Year award.

    http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0401/04/autos-25950.htm

    Source; Detroit News
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    >>>Not exactly since the Powerstroke 6.0L has been only out for a bit over a year. The article stated that what they analyzed were the total running hours when they ran/tested all the diesel engines. This was in reference to one testing facility, although they didn't mention what criteria the second one used.<<<

    Are you saying this was a lab test of engines?

    Can you just point me to the article then?

    Dusty
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "Are you saying this was a lab test of engines?

    Can you just point me to the article then?

    Dusty"

    Yes it was lab tested from what the article stated, but being a print article as I stated earlier, (unlike the Ward's information) I wasn't able to save it like a bookmark to use it as a reference.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Well, you'll have to excuse me but lab testing is not the same thing as actual service. But if a lab has done this in the last year or so, the time period that equates to the new Powerstroke engine, and was covered by a print journalist, it should be readily available.

    I've been searching web-based artcles and can't find anything that verifies this. I have Lexus-Nexus in the office and I'll do a search tomorrow.

    Dusty
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    I've looked up articles on Detroit News, and Freepress, to see if I can find it, but I haven't been able to dedicate that much time to it. And since I don't remember who the journalist was, makes it that much harder to track down.

    I'm thinking, maybe an online Powerstroke discussion forum, as the next alternative? Maybe they might have a clue.
  • During MT's TOY test they had 7 Trucks.

    F150, Titan, Colorado/Canyon twins, Tundra Double cab, SSR, and the SR10 Ram.

    The Ram had the fastest time of 4.8 seconds next ws the Titan with 7.2 I will have to get the book I left it in my Explorer to give you the rest of the figures. Although I do remmeber the F150 was over a second behind the Titan at 8. something. With all its 46 variations the Ford can fit many peoples purposes.
  • oldharryoldharry Posts: 413
    Last year Forbes Magazine reported that Ford sold more SuperDuty (F-250 and up) than F-150's. So F-150 is less than 50% of their sales, not 75%.

    3/4 tons are increasingly popular with fleet buyers. I see fewer contractors using half tons every year. The people that LOAD them find they do less repairs if the truck is more than barely adequate.

    Harry
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    2 things: On speed? I remember thinking a Tahoe was faster than an Expedition by driving them both - until I raced the two against each other. What I really found was the Expedition was quicker, but quieter and smoother, and therefore, felt slower.

    Secondly; some first out anecdotal evidence on the Armada. Colleague of mine just acquired one to replace his 98 Tahoe. Stealing the first sale from GM I thought. Then I asked him why the Armada instead of another Tahoe? He said, Oh, I wouldn't have bought another Tahoe anyway, I would have bought a Sequoia, then I saw the Armada and liked it better.

    FWIW department only.
  • biggie2biggie2 Posts: 45
    "Last year Forbes Magazine reported that Ford sold more SuperDuty (F-250 and up) than F-150's. So F-150 is less than 50% of their sales, not 75%."

    I stand corrected, and quite surprized to tell you the truth. Does this mean Ford will be more dedicated towards spending the fund on the Superdutys then the F-150??

    Enlighten me...
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    ""Last year Forbes Magazine reported that Ford sold more SuperDuty (F-250 and up) than F-150's. So F-150 is less than 50% of their sales, not 75%.""

    I remember reading the same article as well. And the Superduties will next be updated for 2006....
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    >>>""Last year Forbes Magazine reported that Ford sold more SuperDuty (F-250 and up) than F-150's. So F-150 is less than 50% of their sales, not 75%.""<<<

    Dodge has gone from about 15% 3/4 ton and up in the 1980s to about 60% in 2003. Chevy is about 55% 3/4 ton and up.

    After 40+ years my company bought its first LD PUs over 1/2 ton series in 2001 with the addition of two SuperDuties.
  • akjbmwakjbmw Posts: 231
    In the "olden" days, we didn't worry about what the manufacturers MaxGrossVehicleWeight or Maximum Combined vehicle weights were. If it would stay tied on, it was hauled.
    Today, if someone runs into you while you are not moving and you are over the rated limits, they will try to make you liable for the "incident".
    My next truck will be at least a 3/4 ton.
    Paranoia? Welcome to our litigation driven society.
  • darbowdarbow Posts: 30
    Ok, who here has driven the 04 F-150 and the new TITAN, lets here it from you folks please- What are the major differences? What will you buy? Is the TITAN really less expensive?
  • oldharryoldharry Posts: 413
    What I see happening is contractors are buying BIG dump trucks for the ecconomy of scale when hauling, and it is not so convenient to pull the loader behind it. The HD pickup can pull the skid loader, and carry the extra bucket in the bed. Good luck trying that with a half ton.

    The truck makers are also making a high percentage of half tons in luxury trim, at prices that make a contractor grade 3/4 ton look cheap. Do you see many Titans on the lot with rubber floor mats intead of carpeting and plain vinyl seats, with a cheap radio?

    The insurance companies may have some influence with the liability issue as mentioned by akjbmw.

    Harry
  • wimsey1wimsey1 Posts: 201
    Just had a chance to skim a comparison test of half ton crew cabs in the Feb. 04 issue of C/D.
    Their results:
    1. Titan
    2. F-150
    3. Ram (Hemi)
    4. Tundra
    5. Silverado
    Titan was quickest and very well priced in their eyes, I think they found the Ford more refined.
    In any case it appears Nissan has a real contender.
  • hjodyhjody Posts: 5
    I'll be getting my new F-150 within the next week. The Titan interior looks cheap to me and I didn't like the exterior styling so I chose the Ford. The F-150 handles great and it's quieter than the Titan. The F-150 is slower but I don't have a "need for speed". The Titan was definetely a very close second on my list though. Perhaps next time it'll be a Nissan instead of the Ford. Hope your all happy with your trucks regardless of the brand. You can't go wrong with either truck.
  • That is true, at least with what most of the reviews report. The F150 has better steering feel, same as the Expedition over the Armada. Everything is pretty subjective though. Just have to test drive each and see what impresses you.

    Plus the Ford gives you 46 ways to have your F150 which can be a major plus for those who want their truck a very specific way.
  • sysadbsysadb Posts: 83
    I partially agree with hjody. I found the F-150 to be a little quieter, but most of the noise in the Titan was the exhaust. The F-150 also had a slightly better ride (but the Titan's was fine), but I saw no advantage to either in the handling dept. The Ford had a nice interior, especially compared to the model it replaced, but I like the dash and center-stack layout in the Nissan better. Performance and feature-for-the-dollar go heavily in the Titan's favor.

    DB
  • I have driven both the F-150 and the Titan. Actually, I was all set to buy the Ford, but I decided to wait until I could drive the Titan. I was blown away. To make sure I drove them both right after one another for me there's no question: I ordered a Titan.
    What I liked about the Ford Lariat Crew Cab: excellent interior, able to get single options (Nissan must buy bundles), exterior look.
    What I like about the Titan LE Crew Cab: the power in the engine, the exhaust sound, side airbags, Utility bed, traction control system, vehicle dynamic control, did I mention the engine?
    The actually have a lot in common, but I couldn't get past the sluggishness of the 150. The first time I drove one I thought the power was adequate, until I drove the Titan right after the F-150, no comparison.
    You really can't go wrong with either one I liked the multiple safety features of the Titan, plus the power is amazing.
    To be honest I actually paid 1K more for the Titan than what I could have gotten the F-150 for, but I liked it that much more.
    If people would actually use their brain instead of their heart there wouldn't be all of these people bashing the Titan. I you are bashing it you haven't driven it. It's that simple.
    The F-150 will sell because people have bought them for years and won't buy anything else, the product doesn't matter that much.

    They are both good trucks, I happen to prefer the Titan. Do yourself a favor before you buy any truck and drive them ALL and be honest with yourself and buy what fits you best.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I noticed lots of bashing for both trucks, myself. I think, along with others here, that you can't go wrong with either truck. Take your pick.
  • I drove my 02 F-150 to the lot and test drove the 04; nice improvement. Then I drove the Titan. Wow! What a difference. It is only 5 horses and a bit of torque more than the ford but the power to weight ratio and the 5th gear make all the difference. That is what sold it for me. I like the styling of both. In fact I was just about to buy the Ford when I drove the Nissan. While the interiors can be fitted out similarly and the cabs and beds are the same size, the drivetrain makes all the difference. Not to mention the utility bed package. On the whole, not a bad truck and it stickered for several thousand less than a comparable truck from the "BIG 3" manufacturers. I paid $2500 under MSRP too.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    See, I have to believe jdwood's experience to be worth something, because he had his mind changed by the test drive. I'm going to drive an Armada next week that a client of mine just acquired, and compare it to my Navigator. I'll report objectively, given that there is some difference in level there.

    Sounds like the Titan has something going for it. I can only express my opinion based on sitting in them both. Haven't driven either.
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    I would think the Navigator would be more softer and isolated ride since Lincoln's market is upper-luxury. Whereas Nissan market more family and value oriented. Let us know!
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Yeah, but imagine how surprised I'll be if the Armaada is comparable to the Lincoln's ride, quiet & performance! There are asthetics that must be ignored, obviously, but if I close my eyes (so to speak) and just drive, it should be fairly objective. I would expect the Lincoln to win, for the money. We'll see.

    Lincoln's actual goal, it seems with the Gator, is not so much ride & isolation, as it is interior comfort, appeal and luxury features. The Expedition isn't a lot different to drive. The Lincoln has 40 more HP, but otherwise, they're quite similar. Just the appointments and features make the real difference.
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