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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150

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  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    Your Quote:

    "I am glad I convinced you that the new F150 did increased the sales of the F-series. Common sense always win out. Actually Ford sold over 26k of new F150 in January, about 8k of the old ones (03&04 models), so there you go."

    Another quote of yours:
     
    "In 2003, Ford sold 845,586 F-series, 350,320 of them were F250-F550, good for 41%. In other words, F150 accounts for 59%, not 45%."

    Ford Quote and Fact:

    "F-Series 61,979" (for Jan 2004)

    Fact (based on your quotes) Ford F-150 series had approx. 55% of the Jan 2004 sales of all the F-series - A 4% decrease from the average of 2003.

    Now - Where did you get your figures?

    Spin it any way you want, Ford's F-series lost market share in Jan for whatever reason. No matter how you spin it, only Dodge had a worse increase; for whatever reason.

    Live with it.

    As to the Titan projections for Jan - get real. Many dealers still had not even got any Titans. Nissan won't hit their average monthly sales for quite a while for reasons mentioned above.
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  • haironghairong Posts: 153
    [EDIT]: Sorry modulator. It's on topic (for this round anyway), and I don't think it's getting personal, yet. [/EDIT]

    Fact (based on your quotes) Ford F-150 series had approx. 55% of the Jan 2004 sales of all the F-series - A 4% decrease from the average of 2003.

    Monthly (or seasonal) fluctuations. I thought I mentioned this somewhere. Oh, it was on GM, it should also apply on Ford, and F-sereis. Wait, I thought you agreed the new F150 is the reason for the F-series sales increase.

    Now - Where did you get your figures?

    Well, I bought a brand new Lincoln LS at Accord price... I have my sources. bowke probably can get you the exact number, if he wants to.

    Spin it any way you want, Ford's F-series lost market share in Jan for whatever reason. No matter how you spin it, only Dodge had a worse increase; for whatever reason.

    Live with it.


    In a rapid and ever expanding segment. If F-series can have double digit increase month after month, and setting all time records along the way, I certainly can live with it.

    As to the Titan projections for Jan - get real. Many dealers still had not even got any Titans. Nissan won't hit their average monthly sales for quite a while for reasons mentioned above.

    I don't know who needs to get real here. Every automaker, I repeat EVERY, has sales projection for every single model they make. They know how many they made/can make, they know their capacity, they know what sells in what region and in what season. And I was not asking Titan to reach average monthly number. I was asking for the projection.
  • the arrogant import buyer
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    If your happy that Ford is losing market share in a growing segment with a brand spanking new truck, then great; to each his own.
    and to "my own", preaching "double digit growth" (you can't get much closer to single digit growth :-) ) over as year that declined by a "high" single digit (7.24%) isn't impressive to me. I would have thought with the amount of hoopla and advertising done, the growth of the Ford F-150 would have been the best of the bunch - which so far it is not.

    As an aside, I would still like somebody to find and post a source that can show F-150 sales only on a monthly and yearly basis for the last number of years.
  • "Just to go a little further, Ford actually had the 2nd worst increase of full size truck sales in January."

    2nd worst increase in sales? How is this bad if you already sell the most trucks? Might want to review the nature of statistics.

    Ford 9.6% increase is 5410 trucks (based on pickuptruck.com's numbers)
    Tundra's 23.7% increase is 1741 trucks
    Avalanche's 65.3% increase was 2549 trucks.

    How's that for growth? Only the Sierra and Silverado combined can surpass the F-150, in new sales vs jan 2003, not in total sales of 2004.
  • 10% increase year over year for a truck with the volume of the F-150 is pretty dang big. Furthermore with the lower incentives given out for the new F-150, Ford should be making a bundle on this new truck.

    Although we still do not know what sold best, Heritage, new F-150, or F-250 and above. ANT doesnt get back untill the 10th, hopefully we will get some real numbers then.

    My explination for the Tundra and GM trucks are these.
    The Tundras new Double Cab is basically a new truck this year as well. A lot of work and money had to go into this truck to give it its four real doors. So quite possibly the increase could be due to sales of this new model. Who knows, but it is some sort of explination. Either way, a almost 30% increase year over year is amazing for an aging truck like the Tundra, i dont know how else to explain it.

    The GM trucks have the highest incentives right now by far... And they traditionally always have. No doubt in my mind that Ford is making much more money even though GM has had more sales in January. Either way, i would say that 15% increase over last year with it being the only truck out there with such a lavish incentive base is a number i would expect.
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    All this talk about sales is laborious. The Ford guys keep saying ad infinitum the F150 is best because it's selling the most??

    Then McDonald's is the best hamburgers, and Walmart is the best place to buy furniture and clothing.

    No thanks, I prefer Rocky Ranch's real beef Texas Hamburger, and the local run shop for real athletic wear.
  • Oh great, the fast food and discount supermarket references. Next you'll be saying the import manufacturers only sell X amount of vehicles, because that's all they want to make. (That's what the Tundra guys have been saying).

    What about DVD's at Walmart? Is there any problem with buying the same exact DVD at walmart than at Sam Goody's for 7 bucks more? Or hangers? I'm sure IKEA has the best hangers, as the simple plastic ones defintely have a hard time holding up my clothes. <sarcasm>

    "All this talk about sales is laborious. The Ford guys keep saying ad infinitum the F150 is best because it's selling the most??"

    And Bob Dole keeps saying he's the best because he got the most votes in the last election.

    So let's not sidestep anymore. You know that each time a vehicle is bought, that's what the vehicle buyer wanted, unless he just had 20 to 30 grand to burn. Each purchase is a vote for what vehicle suited the person best for pricing, type of otions, or lotalty reasons. So if the "best" truck is not accurate for F-150, then it must be the most the most sought after/desired truck.
  • but its pretty damn good for most folks so they buy it....nothing to be ashamed about, one thing that ford doesn't have a problem with is giving the consumer what he/she wants. and with all the styles they offer, they can make it YOUR way. Nobody can touch ford when it comes to options on trucks. The lesson from them is use a wide net, catch a lot of fish.

    Import manufacturers use a little different approach, the Titan is aimed at the first time truck buyer IMO, who has a family, and maybe a boat and has owned foreign cars before, in my belief
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    I have to say I agree with posters sometime ago who stated we will have a better idea of "best", and "most sought after" truck sometime down the road. In fact my contention is, considering the debate of Chev vs. Ford vs. Dodge has gone on for decades, now adding Nissan and Toyota to the mix likely will only cloud the issues more.

    Speaking of desireability, I waited 7 weeks for a Titan,CC,SE,Util Bed Pkg to come in. At any moment I could have literally walked 3 blocks over to Ford & had my pick of some 30-40 F150's all with $4,000 discounts. It was worth the wait.

    I don't know if you are old enough to remember, but Accord and Camry had some very humble beginnings,and with just a few dealers. If Ford & Chev use some of the loyalists' self rationalizations as on this thread, they're gonna get whooped again and on the last leg they have.
  • The Nissan guys were boasting how their truck would sell 100,000+ units this year.

    How many was it that they managed in January again? LOL.

    They've been rolling them out to dealerships for a while now. I'm sure sales will pickup somewhat, but not nearly as much as Nissan would hope.
  • I read in an article that they're highly/fully loaded versions of the new F-150. Lots of $$$ for Ford.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I think the Titan is very good, a particularly good first effort, but two things bother me. One, is the noisy cab. The other, is long term dependability. Don't laugh, it's Japanese, but Nissan is not the class leader in reliability all the time. It rides on reputation sometimes.
  • I agree with post #470. I own a Nissan, and it has been a garage queen, nothing catastrophic, but for a while there it was a regular $600 trip to the shop every 2 or 3 months. Even though it has only left me stranded once (180,000 miles), I think Nissan's reputation rides on the coattails of Honda and Toyota. Another thing to consider if you are thinking about switching from domestic to import is dealership experience. I have had mostly negative dealership experiences with imports. The service at the local Nissan dealer however has been exceptional, in contrast to the last place I lived.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    actually, dealer inventories wont be up to set goals until mid-march.
  • I don't agree with Aggies that often but he is pretty close in post. I've had Ford and switched to Toyotas and Nissans because of "longevity" and reliability. Most domestics that I have dealt with and owned seem to have more problems around 80,000 to 100,000 mile mark..
  • http://nissannews.com/

    Nissan sales up 25.7% over Last years January.

    http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=F&scri- pt=414&layout=-6&item_id=491202

    "Overall, U.S. customers purchased or leased 230,036 cars and trucks from Ford, Mercury, Lincoln, Jaguar, Volvo, and Land Rover dealers in January, down 5 percent compared with a year ago, primarily reflecting lower sales of passenger cars (down 14 percent). Truck sales essentially were equal to a year ago."
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    25.7% of what base though? Probably a smaller number than the 5% drop of combined Ford sales.
  • The Titan has very good qualities, but I feel it's overpraised. It's drawing rave reviews simply becasue it's big, it's new, and it can acclerate more quickly than the competition. The F-150 might not be the quickest, but it's built with quality. It's a solid vehicle. The interior is gorgeous, and I would choose nothing else if I planned on doing work, with an engine developed for the purpose of putting out low-end torque. It's extremely quiet and smooth. Also, I think the F-150 would be a more family-friendly vehicle. But, for someone looking for something sporty that can do just as much work as the F-150, the Titan might not be a bad choice. And for all that criticism about the F-150's weight and slow acceleration, I'm sure we can expect a power increase in a year or two. When the 5.4 Triton came out in '97, it got an extra 25 horses and about 20 lb.-ft of torque in '99. Ford also said that a new auto transmission ( 5 sp. I believe) will be coming out soon since they didn't have the time or the money to make one ready by '04. That should definitely get more out of the Triton.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Reliability, good looks, wide choice of options, value for money spent.
         Just look at the center pages of February 16, 2004 issue of Newsweek magazine to refresh your memory on just how attractive the Ford F-150 is.
  • joehoejoehoe Posts: 37
    Competition can only benefit the consumer, right?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    That's the basic rule of commerce.
  • newsweek.....lol
  • Go pick any Dodge forum... we don't look for confirmations that we bought the right truck... we look for assistance, and to learn. We don't need a VS forum to get us able to sleep. We bought it, and we live with it.

    Wow! I leave for a few days and guys go nuts!

    I see the Aggie is still here and I'm able to accept that so what's the big deal?
  • Go pick any Dodge forum... we don't look for confirmations that we bought the right truck... we look for assistance, and to learn. We don't need a VS forum to get us able to sleep. We bought it, and we live with it.

    Wow! I leave for a few days and guys go nuts!

    I see the Aggie is still here and I'm able to accept that so what's the big deal?

    Titan Rules!!
  • Just glad somebody is still out there. By the way, how's the hunting in your neck of the woods? The big woods that is. Are we supposed to drop the Dodge-Titan lingo? I don't care as long as we're all happy paying our bills anc free to drive what we all please. Let's just relax... You guy's were really going at it.
    Isn't there a hockey game on so one can relieve some stress watching a player beat the crap out of another or down here a race where the crowd watches cars go around in circles waiting for something to happen.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Not much of substance has been posted in here for a while now. Ford bashing and heavy breathing over the fact that Japan finally put out a truck. I think all the real issues have been debated out.
  • Bringing back the real issues--according to the dealer lit the Titan requires premium fuel, which increases fuel costs roughly 10% here. Premium fuel is what took the Titan off my shopping list.
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