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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150

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  • dave989dave989 Posts: 21
    All the Big 6 are all under cost pressures right now in order to retain(or gain) marketshare.
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    Don't sell very well outside North America. Go to Europe or Asia and see if you can find any F-150 or for that matter any other full size trucks. What is strange is Ford + Lincoln + Volvo + Mercury + Jaguar + Aston Martin + Range Rover < Toyota. I wouldn't brag too much if I tripled my sale in Russia. Very few people in Russia actually own private automobile let along foreign ones. Ford's holier than thou attitude has gotten them in the mess they are in today. They should be ashamed that a foreign car company is sticking it to them
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    Before you start chiseling out Fords head stone, it has been America's top selling brand for the past 17 years! Hardly supporting your claim of Ford's last breaths.
    The Ford Escape was last years best selling small SUV, while the Explorer was last years best selling mid-size SUV.
    The Ford Econoline was last years best selling Full-size van, the Ranger was best selling small pickup, and the F-150 was the best selling truck and vehicle.
    Woe are these days at Ford.
  • Has anyone thought about how the soft dollar relative to international currency's has affected the full size pickup wars?

    Between that and cash rebates how does Nissan respond?

    thanks
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    I am not chiseling out Ford's headstone, they have been doing that themselves for a long time now . I hope the executives at Ford are not in a delusional state of denial like you, jrc346. Did you read that NY Times article I linked up? Obviously you haven't.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Adding to the list...The Mustang was the best selling sports coupe. Ford has the highest sales of station wagons (Focus/Taurus/Sable). Ford is the #1 seller of RWD vehicles. The F-150 was not only the best selling vehicle in the U.S., but in the world actually. The Ford Focus was the #1 selling passenger car in the world.

    Now, pertaining to corporate arrogance from an automaker, Nissan was mentioned by a statement Carlos Ghosn made.

    Titled: Will success breed arrogance at Toyota? Only time will tell

    http://www.detnews.com/2004/insiders/0401/10/c01-31225.htm

    "So, I asked Nissan Motor Co. CEO Carlos Ghosn, what do you think of all these cars coming from Detroit?

    &#147;It&#146;s a good start,&#148; he replied simply. Then he extolled the virtues of his full-size Titan pickup truck as the best on the market and made pretty clear that Detroit&#146;s ballyhooed &#147;year of the car&#148; doesn&#146;t look as impressive as the local automakers think. "

    AGG,

    "Has anyone thought about how the soft dollar relative to international currency's has affected the full size pickup wars?"

    Japan purposely undervalues their yen to increase it's profits on exports. Japan sold a record 20 trillion yen in 2003, a strategy that slowed the yen's rise against the dollar to around 10% for the year, and they have spent around 3 trillion Yen on interventions a week ago, to prevent the yen from sinking below 106 yen.

    Japanese manufacturer's were profiting around $2000-3000 per vehicle because their government was braking WTO rules and kept yen low. Because this issue came up in the last WTO meeting, the world community is keeping a closer eye on Japan, while they are trying their hardest to keep the yen low, BUT it's going up....
  • What I'm saying is Ford isn't just treading water, it's actually on a rebound. Just take a look at it's financials, and at all the great vehicles out and on the way. I know we are Americans, and the USA is a big market, but you have to think and look bigger. As a whole Ford is doing pretty darn good, and is definitely on the rise, not fall you claim.

    Also you NYTimes link required me to create a membership to view your article. Sorry, but I don't care to sign up for that. Why don't you paraphrase what was so important for us?

    BTW, you're right, the full size may not sell as well outside of the states, but you can bet the compact trucks do. Asia, south america, africa, they all love the Ranger. Anyway, you're most entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make you right... :P
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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,854
    And posting something multiple times doesn't get you anywhere either...If you want people to see an article that was in the NY Times, post a link to the article. Please do not cut and paste copyrighted materials into Town Hall. Thanks!

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  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    I didn't intend to post it multiple times. I clicked "post my message" twice by mistake.
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    Just be careful in the future!

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  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    Well thanks for the good laugh. Funny how you can say such things to someone you have never met before, isn't it? I had a feeling that you would fall to a level of desperacy and put downs, but by saying that I am delusionsal and in denial none the less. I guess that's all you have to hold on to keep your phantasm true for you. I am by no means an expert on the automotive industry, but what goes on in it is a personal hobby, and I know enough to know that Ford is not by any means dying.

    BTW, I read the NYT article. In fact I get a copy of the New York Times free at work every morning ;-)
    What I don't understand is what in there makes you think that Ford is doing so bad? Them turning a profit for the first time in two years? Bill Ford himself saying that the size of the company doesn't matter as long as they put out quality products? Or is it what is said at the end of the article saying how this (Toyota becoming #2 in world sales) most defiantly is NOT the end of the big three?
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    GM is still the largest car company in the world and probably stay so for the forseeable future. But you are kidding yourself if you think the financial situation of the big three is huny dorey. If you really read the article you should have read the fact that GM and Ford is not making any profits from selling cars. Their pitiful profits mostly comes from financing cars. Although when you are giving 0% financing over five years I don't see how that is possible.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    Wow - a lot of crap flying all over the place.

    Just a couple of comments about all the above posts.

    Ford is not dying! They have had some quality problems and Bill Ford is aware of it and is/has fixed it. At some point we might start seeing more mergers/aquisitions like Daimler-Chrysler only because there is a huge over supply of capacity in the world. Any of the Big six could be involved.

    The F-150 is not the sales leader, IMO, as it is semantics to say the Silverado/Sierra isn't the same vehicle. The GM twins outsold the F-150 last year. So, from my perspective, GM is the full sized truck leader - Sorry all you F-150 people who keep on claiming it as #1. If you don't agree, fine, it is MY opinion and sales fact that GM sold more full sized trucks than Ford.

    As to the F-150 being a good truck - I am sure it is. But, how much competition has it had? If you wanted a full-sized truck you bought A Ford, a GMC, or a Dodge, PERIOD. That changed in December when Nissan started selling the Titan and Toyota started selling a very limited Full size (Tundra DC). There just hasn't been anywhere near enough competition in this segment to say the F-150 is the most awesome vehicle because it sold so many. Look at the competition in Mid-sized cars - how many different kinds do you have to choose from?

    I was a huge Ford fan until the mid 90's when they started having huge quality problems with the Windstars, Taurus's etc... I have been watching what Bill Ford is doing closely and I think he is going in the right direction, but only time will tell.

    The last thing is Ford/GM/Chrysler is not in any danger from Nissan/Toyota in the near term of losing their sales leads. The total of all the f-series trucks sold last year was over 800,000. Many of those were 250s and 350s and configurations that Toyota and Nissan don't offer. Nissan and Toyota also don't have the capacity to put much of a dent in a market that had over 2.3 mil in sales last year. Down the road, who knows? If any of us do, we could make a fortune on the stocks!! :-)
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "Although when you are giving 0% financing over five years I don't see how that is possible."

    Not everyone qualifies for 0%, in fact, a small percentage actually qualify for that amount... The profits are made on those who get a higher percentage based on other issues/credit report.

    "Sorry all you F-150 people who keep on claiming it as #1. If you don't agree, fine, it is MY opinion and sales fact that GM sold more full sized trucks than Ford."

    Yes if you count the Sierra and Silverado together, they did sell more than the F-150, BUT if you wish to tally it that way.. Then... The Taurus and Sable together, made the #1 seller, not the Accord or Camry. The Navi and Expedition is then #1 for fullsize SUV sales. The GrandMarquis/CrownVic/TownCar are then the best seller's for Fullsize cars. See the issue?
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    "Yes if you count the Sierra and Silverado together, they did sell more than the F-150, BUT if you wish to tally it that way.. Then... The Taurus and Sable together, made the #1 seller, not the Accord or Camry. The Navi and Expedition is then #1 for fullsize SUV sales. The GrandMarquis/CrownVic/TownCar are then the best seller's for Fullsize cars. See the issue?"

    Yup I see the issue and I always have, but I still believe that any twins should be counted together. In that vein, the Taurus/Sable would qualify, but the Crown Vic/Town car wouldn't. The price points/options have to be close to be considered a twin. eg. the Armada and the new QX wouldn't be considered twins.

    by the way, even counting the sable/taurus as one I don't think they sold as many as the Camry
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "The price points/options have to be close to be considered a twin. eg. the Armada and the new QX wouldn't be considered twins."

    According to who? That's why the industry doesn't count them if they share platforms. Just imagine if we were to count details such as those. For example, the Freestar uses a modified version of the Taurus, so could that be counted to? As in... what ARE the limits to where a platform strays from it's original.

    Then if we do similar price points, then why stop at just price points when a Camry can flunctuate from $18K-30K ? Or even the Avalon, since it's built on a Camry platform, but has a few other modifications. Would the AudiA4 be counted onto Passat's platform tallies since it's almost in the same neighborhood in pricing, but JUST not quite since some Audi A4's can tally up to $40K, or maybe the much more expensive S4 version?

    Would Ford's new Freestyle sales, be counted onto the 500/Montego totals since they share the same platform, but 2 are sedans, while another is a crossover? Could they be counted into the totals of the Volvo S60/S80/V70/XC70/XC90 since they all use Volvo's P2 platform?

    Toyota's Matrix sales are tallied into the Corolla sales since they share platform, even though the Matrix serves a different purpose altogether. Yet the Honda Elements sales are not tallied onto the Civic's sales, even though they share the same platform, and the concept is also different.

    So that raises numerous other issues and questions regarding individual sales, which is why the industry measures them by nameplate, and not platform sales.
  • biggie2biggie2 Posts: 45
    And what happened last year with the Sierra and Silverado will most likely not happen this year... Not putting any money down, but a lot of common sense
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    tempos and focuses (foci?)...

    ive owned 3 tempos, and had good luck with all 3. i own a 2003 focus, and so far its bulletproof. all the recalls were right after the initial launch. none for the last 3 model years.

    anyway...about the chevy/gmc...yes, they are the same truck...but a GMC buyer wont buy a chevy and vice-versa. so if you stopped making one or the other, the sales #'s wouldnt exactly merge. the explorer/mountaineer/aviator are the same, but ford doesnt count them together.
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