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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150

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  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    My.You ARE an optimist aren't you!

    Most folks don't put that in thier long bed half ton.

    Does that bed extender come with trainer wheels?

    kip
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    exactly as i would have put it....

    plus this:

    i drove both back-to-back
  • oldharryoldharry Posts: 413
    Ford advertised payloads up to 3000 pounds for the new F-150.

    The F-150 is the new standard everyone else compares to.

    Harry
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    that the F150 has over the titan...that payload, however, is only for the long bed. with the supercrew or short bed, the payload is about the same as the titan.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    and feel completely opposite! There.

    Since you like Four Wheeler magazine so much where was the frontier in this one?
    http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtests/16558/
    I love my tacoma, but even I had to take their test with a grain of salt here -- as should you with this litte article you guys keep strutting around? But if not, I guess you concede that my Tacoma is a better offroader than an H1??? Rock on!

    Its all in good fun -- I just wish I had a bigger truck, "ultimate 4x4/king of offroad" or not.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    when? where? how? do you sell nissans?
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    I've carried 3300-3500 several times in my '01 GMC 2500HD ,which has a gross payload of 3600,and I wouldn't do that in the privious model F150 that we have at the shop.If the new F150 will do it that's an impressive half ton!

    My trainer wheel remark was about bed extenders. It may very well be that the long bed F150 will carry 2500 lb of 4x8 sheets,but nothing with a bed extender is made to carry that kind of load and still steer.Not even the new Titan.

    kip
  • oldharryoldharry Posts: 413
    That was my point. I have a ten year old half ton GVWR 6200#, that weighs about 4500# empty. On a recent project I had 1800# of shingles and plywood on the back, and my wife and me in the cab. That put us about 400# over the gross weight rating, but there was still about 1/4 the empty distance between the axel and the rubber stops.

    The rear axel on my truck is behind the center of the box. I have not check the new Titan, but most Japanese trucks I see have the axel slightly forward of the center of the box. These trucks are less safe when overloaded (as we all do occasionally) than most domestic trucks.

    For a driveway queen it makes no difference, but if you do large projects from time to time, the abilty to safely handle some overload is important.

    While I prefer GM trucks from a personal point of view, the new Ford is an impressive truck.

    Harry
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    There's more to a vehicle than just the initial power ratings, or how much it can haul, and all depends upon the priorities of the consumer's. Given the fact that a greater number of people will probably stick to jumping curbs and medians with these vehicles, such number's might not be a selling point for most consumer's.

    Having driven both, the F-150 in my opinion is clearly ahead in many aspects. The interior by far as set the benchmark in material quality, and this is something echoed by almost every auto journalist in the industry. I was not impressed with the Titan's GM-like plasticky interior which is becoming a Nissan trademark in it's recent vehicles.

    Overall the ride/comfort/quietness/solidity of the F-150 is much greater than that of the Titan in my opinion. Something that the majority of consumer's will appreciate and look for.

    Also helps having so many configurations and 5 alternative interiors to choose from, but again, that's subjective towards the needs of some consumer's although it's nice to have those choices present if need be. And because of this, it's not hard to understand why the F-150 has the highest returning consumer's in it's class, and why it's been a sales leader for around 20 years.

    I do think the Titan is a good strong effort from a manufacturer's first try in that segment (unlike Toyota's 7th/8th approach) and would place it 2nd behind the F-150 (in a spot were GM would have placed in).
  • landru2landru2 Posts: 638
    Anyone that thinks truck buyers are impressed by 0-60 times is in for an education. Ford trucks have supposedly been "anemic" compared to the competition for the last decade yet sales haven't been hurt. It's having the power available when it matters that counts. Maybe the Titan has it, maybe it doesn't. But magazine numbers mean nothing. GM brags up the power of its Vortecs and Dodge does the same with its Hemi. Hitch a 5000 lb trailer to those and they are left trailing an "anemic" F-150.

    Bed extenders? They are one of those things that looks great on the showroom floor but end up in a corner of the garage.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    with the titan, you can slide it all the way up against the front wall of the bed, and not lose space.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    at the Motor Trend auto show in Vegas. From a cab perspective, I'm sorry, (acknowledging my Ford bias), the F-150 is class leading by a mile IMO. What a totally awesome interior! Almost as appealing as my Navigator! The Titan, OTOH, was highly disappointing inside. Will look forward to driving them both and comparing. But the #1 thing with me in purchasing a vehicle, is how I feel when I sit inside. If it feels like home, (driving position, comfort, seat, etc.) and the dash, which is what I see when I drive, don't know about y'all, I'm usually a customer. If it doesn't excite me, I move on. The F-150 got a WoW! The Titan, didn't.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    I sat in a F150 a month or so back - I was very unimpressed - in fact both my wife and I thought it was kinda crappy. Haven't been able to see a Titan yet, so I can't compare as nvbanker did, but the F150 was not awsome!
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    some people, no matter how wrong they are, ;-) will like stuff that others dont. nvbanker...once you check out the mechanicals, im sure you will reconsider. also, sit in the back seats. the ford still has the cardboard box-style back seat, where the titan's is reclined properly.
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    Since everone is entitled to their own opinion, I'll add mine ;-)
    I think that Ford did a very nice, clean job with the redesign. Yeah there are somethings that are still from the last generation F-150 such as the transmission, but it is a very strong 4-Speed unit. Why argue with success? Overall I also am very impressed by the interior(s), though I must say that I haven't actually sat in one. However, from what I have seen peering in the window they look well thought out. Plus you have 5 to choose from! The owners whom have posted in the "New Cars" protion of this website seem particulaly pleased with the interior, especially those with the upper Lariat trim. Which to me is the most impressive of the 5.
    While I will acknowledge that Nissan did a good job with its homework for the Titan, I am a Ford guy, and because of the bias there I see the F-150 as the best pick-up offering out in the current market. I guess I also feel more comfortable with liking the F-150 because Ford has had more experience in building a good, reliable, full size pickup (the last generation has consistently scored very well in CR's reliability ratings). Anyway, those are just my thoughts, and will probably stay my thoughts despite what some may say about my post ;-)
    And Folks, the main thing is that you are happy with your purchase whatever that be, and that is all that counts. So if you don't like the F-150 and you think the Titan is 100x better, then I am cool with that! Enjoy!
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Styling is subjective... that depends upon the persons taste. But interior materials go beyond that point idealism, onto what is actually an item that is benchmarked for it's quality. Just as VW/Audi receive numerous praise for it's interior quality/materials.

    Here's some example of it's interior quality in materials from some auto-journalists....

    ...."That cabin is amazingly quiet, too. The bottom line is that the new interiors really make the competition look dreary and old-fashioned. "...

    ...."Then he peeked into the cabin of the ritzy Lariat model and said it reminded him of a Land Rover, it was so gorgeous. So it was a very positive experience all the way around. "...

    ...."I've driven all the competitors in recent weeks, including the new Nissan Titan and the upcoming Toyota Tundra Double Cab. They're pretty good trucks. The F-150 is better. No, let me correct that. The new F-150 is the best truck money can buy. Period. "...

    ...."

    Article: New F-150 is a 5-star truck all the way
    http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=10- 951

    ...."After several hundred miles of driving and riding over a variety of Texas terrain, my overwhelming impression is that the 2004 Ford F-150 is the best America has to offer. "....

    ...."the result is a near-world-class interior that leaves the other guys in the dust. "....

    ...."The mid-level XLT is classier than most of the premium trucks from the Chrysler Group's Dodge brand and General Motors Corp., while the high-end FX4 and Lariat are simply best in class. "....

    ...."One surprise was the quietness of the cabin, particularly at freeway speeds"....

    ...."If you're inclined to spend that much money on a pickup, at least you can take comfort in knowing that you're getting the best truck that money can buy. "....

    Article: Ford F-150 gets major makeover for 2004
    http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=10- 900

    ...."there's little doubt that this truck sets new standards for full-size pickups when it comes to cabin design, ride and handling and load-carrying capacity."....

    ...."Build quality on our early build test trucks was impressive. Door panels didn't budge an inch when pressed upon and dashboard gaps were straight and of close tolerance. Materials quality is also better than before, with none of the glaringly cheap plastics that detracted from the previous model's interior."....

    ...."When it comes to providing an upscale experience, the Lariat has the current competition beat hands down."....

    ...." The result is exceptional ride quality and sharp handling for a vehicle of its size"....

    Article: Motor City Meal Ticket
    http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/ford/f150/100313505/roadtestartic- le.html?articleId=100353

    ...."Quality comes from design as well as materials, and elements like the stereo controls are much more pleasing."....

    ...." Perhaps the most appreciable improvement in the F-150 is its interior design. Ford Motor Co. has made interiors a priority, and the results are already clear on the 2003 Expedition and Lincoln’s Navigator (see the First Drive) and Aviator."....

    ...."The F-150’s interior designs are a masterstroke in a market in which luxury is in heavy demand."....

    Article: First Drive F-150
    http://www.cars.com/carsapp/national/?szc=33174&srv=parser&am- p;act=display&tf=/features/mvp/ford/f150/f150_overview.tmpl

    ...."Seat materials, whether vinyl, cloth, or the leather standard (heated optional) in Lariat, are the best we've seen in a pickup."....

    ...." The new Ford truck has the coolest, most carlike interior in the industry, "....

    Article: MotorTrends First Look
    http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/pickup/112_0303_fut_f15- 0

    ...."One of the most exciting elements of the F-150's design brief is an upgraded interior look and specification. "....

    ...."The Lariat and FX4 are the most impressive, with metal-trimmed gauges and bright door handles and levers that recall the look of premium Euro sedans"....

    ...." and resets the meter at an altogether higher level in terms of light-duty-truck interior design and execution."....

    Article: Motortrend First Drive
    http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/pickup/112_0308_f150

    ...."Inside, the massive center console, finely wrought instrument cluster, and delectable trim materials prompt a search for the hidden Lincoln logo."....

    Article: Driven
    http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/0308_driven_f150/index.html

    One Titan specific article which uses the F-150 as the benchmark and recommends the F-150 overall.

    ...." The 2004 Titan full-size pickup truck is Nissan's ticket to the major leagues. Although the preproduction trucks I tested fall short of the benchmark new Ford F150 in some areas,"....

    ...." The curious thing is this: Although the Titan handily beats the F150 on paper -- more power, more room, better fuel economy -- the Ford turns out to be the better vehicle. "....

    ...."It also has shortcomings, including more noise and vibration than the F150 and a less composed ride over bumpy surfaces. "....

    ...."Some of the interior materials felt a bit cheap in such a carefully designed truck however, particularly the thin and fibrous headliner and the plastic map pockets at the bottom of the doors. "....

    ...."The truck is not as quiet as the F150"....

    ...." The ride is also slightly less smooth than the F150's"....

    Article: Remember the Titan: Full-size pickup from Nissan, due in December, rivals Ford's new F150
    http://www.freep.com/money/autoreviews/phelan21_20030821.htm
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    Careful how you interpret things! most of the articles you refer to were done in the summer. They only had some crdue prototypes of the Titan to compare too, and some didn't even look at the Titan.

    Also, several of your articles pick apart the F150 interior eg:

    "Although we logged a relatively modest number of miles, the seats became tiresome regardless of trim level, and we found it strange that even the upgraded leather captain's chairs still use manual adjusters for the seat back angle and lumbar support. The climate control dials look good but feel cheap, same goes for the door handles — both being items that we think should have a good, solid feel considering how often you touch them. We also found the turn signal stalk hard to reach, the grab handles too far away and relatively few storage compartments. "

    This came from the Edmunds article you posted.

    All I am saying is you are showing articles on Prototype Titans. I suggest you wait and see some new articles on head to head comparisons.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    ant14...try looking at the recent 4-wheeler magazine article. i would post it, but then my post would be almost as long as yours.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "All I am saying is you are showing articles on Prototype Titans. I suggest you wait and see some new articles on head to head comparisons. "

    The most you can place blame on prototypes might be fit of components, a few suspension tuning components, and computer related/software management pertaining to shift quality/responsiveness, etc. Prototypes WILL carry the same interior finishes as the final product and that was my point of those posts, I'm in the industry so I would know.

    While they all will nitpick one item or another, being no vehicle will be perfect, and ALL vehicles will have one flaw or another...the perfect vehicle has not yet been built... the point was that the F-150 definately has the better interior quality/materials....Prototype or not. Some of those articles also had "prototype" F-150's as well, so I threw those into the mix.

    "try looking at the recent 4-wheeler magazine article"

    And while one article won't tell the whole story, I threw in numerous sources, many different backrounds, different journalists, different circumstances, etc. Someone would have to be denial not to accept the fact that the F-150 has the best interior materials/presentation/quality. And that was the objective of my post.

    Thank you :)
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