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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150

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  • landru2landru2 Posts: 638
    Anyone that thinks truck buyers are impressed by 0-60 times is in for an education. Ford trucks have supposedly been "anemic" compared to the competition for the last decade yet sales haven't been hurt. It's having the power available when it matters that counts. Maybe the Titan has it, maybe it doesn't. But magazine numbers mean nothing. GM brags up the power of its Vortecs and Dodge does the same with its Hemi. Hitch a 5000 lb trailer to those and they are left trailing an "anemic" F-150.

    Bed extenders? They are one of those things that looks great on the showroom floor but end up in a corner of the garage.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    with the titan, you can slide it all the way up against the front wall of the bed, and not lose space.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    at the Motor Trend auto show in Vegas. From a cab perspective, I'm sorry, (acknowledging my Ford bias), the F-150 is class leading by a mile IMO. What a totally awesome interior! Almost as appealing as my Navigator! The Titan, OTOH, was highly disappointing inside. Will look forward to driving them both and comparing. But the #1 thing with me in purchasing a vehicle, is how I feel when I sit inside. If it feels like home, (driving position, comfort, seat, etc.) and the dash, which is what I see when I drive, don't know about y'all, I'm usually a customer. If it doesn't excite me, I move on. The F-150 got a WoW! The Titan, didn't.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    I sat in a F150 a month or so back - I was very unimpressed - in fact both my wife and I thought it was kinda crappy. Haven't been able to see a Titan yet, so I can't compare as nvbanker did, but the F150 was not awsome!
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    some people, no matter how wrong they are, ;-) will like stuff that others dont. nvbanker...once you check out the mechanicals, im sure you will reconsider. also, sit in the back seats. the ford still has the cardboard box-style back seat, where the titan's is reclined properly.
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    Since everone is entitled to their own opinion, I'll add mine ;-)
    I think that Ford did a very nice, clean job with the redesign. Yeah there are somethings that are still from the last generation F-150 such as the transmission, but it is a very strong 4-Speed unit. Why argue with success? Overall I also am very impressed by the interior(s), though I must say that I haven't actually sat in one. However, from what I have seen peering in the window they look well thought out. Plus you have 5 to choose from! The owners whom have posted in the "New Cars" protion of this website seem particulaly pleased with the interior, especially those with the upper Lariat trim. Which to me is the most impressive of the 5.
    While I will acknowledge that Nissan did a good job with its homework for the Titan, I am a Ford guy, and because of the bias there I see the F-150 as the best pick-up offering out in the current market. I guess I also feel more comfortable with liking the F-150 because Ford has had more experience in building a good, reliable, full size pickup (the last generation has consistently scored very well in CR's reliability ratings). Anyway, those are just my thoughts, and will probably stay my thoughts despite what some may say about my post ;-)
    And Folks, the main thing is that you are happy with your purchase whatever that be, and that is all that counts. So if you don't like the F-150 and you think the Titan is 100x better, then I am cool with that! Enjoy!
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Styling is subjective... that depends upon the persons taste. But interior materials go beyond that point idealism, onto what is actually an item that is benchmarked for it's quality. Just as VW/Audi receive numerous praise for it's interior quality/materials.

    Here's some example of it's interior quality in materials from some auto-journalists....

    ...."That cabin is amazingly quiet, too. The bottom line is that the new interiors really make the competition look dreary and old-fashioned. "...

    ...."Then he peeked into the cabin of the ritzy Lariat model and said it reminded him of a Land Rover, it was so gorgeous. So it was a very positive experience all the way around. "...

    ...."I've driven all the competitors in recent weeks, including the new Nissan Titan and the upcoming Toyota Tundra Double Cab. They're pretty good trucks. The F-150 is better. No, let me correct that. The new F-150 is the best truck money can buy. Period. "...

    ...."

    Article: New F-150 is a 5-star truck all the way
    http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=10- 951

    ...."After several hundred miles of driving and riding over a variety of Texas terrain, my overwhelming impression is that the 2004 Ford F-150 is the best America has to offer. "....

    ...."the result is a near-world-class interior that leaves the other guys in the dust. "....

    ...."The mid-level XLT is classier than most of the premium trucks from the Chrysler Group's Dodge brand and General Motors Corp., while the high-end FX4 and Lariat are simply best in class. "....

    ...."One surprise was the quietness of the cabin, particularly at freeway speeds"....

    ...."If you're inclined to spend that much money on a pickup, at least you can take comfort in knowing that you're getting the best truck that money can buy. "....

    Article: Ford F-150 gets major makeover for 2004
    http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=10- 900

    ...."there's little doubt that this truck sets new standards for full-size pickups when it comes to cabin design, ride and handling and load-carrying capacity."....

    ...."Build quality on our early build test trucks was impressive. Door panels didn't budge an inch when pressed upon and dashboard gaps were straight and of close tolerance. Materials quality is also better than before, with none of the glaringly cheap plastics that detracted from the previous model's interior."....

    ...."When it comes to providing an upscale experience, the Lariat has the current competition beat hands down."....

    ...." The result is exceptional ride quality and sharp handling for a vehicle of its size"....

    Article: Motor City Meal Ticket
    http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/ford/f150/100313505/roadtestartic- le.html?articleId=100353

    ...."Quality comes from design as well as materials, and elements like the stereo controls are much more pleasing."....

    ...." Perhaps the most appreciable improvement in the F-150 is its interior design. Ford Motor Co. has made interiors a priority, and the results are already clear on the 2003 Expedition and Lincoln’s Navigator (see the First Drive) and Aviator."....

    ...."The F-150’s interior designs are a masterstroke in a market in which luxury is in heavy demand."....

    Article: First Drive F-150
    http://www.cars.com/carsapp/national/?szc=33174&srv=parser&am- p;act=display&tf=/features/mvp/ford/f150/f150_overview.tmpl

    ...."Seat materials, whether vinyl, cloth, or the leather standard (heated optional) in Lariat, are the best we've seen in a pickup."....

    ...." The new Ford truck has the coolest, most carlike interior in the industry, "....

    Article: MotorTrends First Look
    http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/pickup/112_0303_fut_f15- 0

    ...."One of the most exciting elements of the F-150's design brief is an upgraded interior look and specification. "....

    ...."The Lariat and FX4 are the most impressive, with metal-trimmed gauges and bright door handles and levers that recall the look of premium Euro sedans"....

    ...." and resets the meter at an altogether higher level in terms of light-duty-truck interior design and execution."....

    Article: Motortrend First Drive
    http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/pickup/112_0308_f150

    ...."Inside, the massive center console, finely wrought instrument cluster, and delectable trim materials prompt a search for the hidden Lincoln logo."....

    Article: Driven
    http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/0308_driven_f150/index.html

    One Titan specific article which uses the F-150 as the benchmark and recommends the F-150 overall.

    ...." The 2004 Titan full-size pickup truck is Nissan's ticket to the major leagues. Although the preproduction trucks I tested fall short of the benchmark new Ford F150 in some areas,"....

    ...." The curious thing is this: Although the Titan handily beats the F150 on paper -- more power, more room, better fuel economy -- the Ford turns out to be the better vehicle. "....

    ...."It also has shortcomings, including more noise and vibration than the F150 and a less composed ride over bumpy surfaces. "....

    ...."Some of the interior materials felt a bit cheap in such a carefully designed truck however, particularly the thin and fibrous headliner and the plastic map pockets at the bottom of the doors. "....

    ...."The truck is not as quiet as the F150"....

    ...." The ride is also slightly less smooth than the F150's"....

    Article: Remember the Titan: Full-size pickup from Nissan, due in December, rivals Ford's new F150
    http://www.freep.com/money/autoreviews/phelan21_20030821.htm
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    Careful how you interpret things! most of the articles you refer to were done in the summer. They only had some crdue prototypes of the Titan to compare too, and some didn't even look at the Titan.

    Also, several of your articles pick apart the F150 interior eg:

    "Although we logged a relatively modest number of miles, the seats became tiresome regardless of trim level, and we found it strange that even the upgraded leather captain's chairs still use manual adjusters for the seat back angle and lumbar support. The climate control dials look good but feel cheap, same goes for the door handles — both being items that we think should have a good, solid feel considering how often you touch them. We also found the turn signal stalk hard to reach, the grab handles too far away and relatively few storage compartments. "

    This came from the Edmunds article you posted.

    All I am saying is you are showing articles on Prototype Titans. I suggest you wait and see some new articles on head to head comparisons.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    ant14...try looking at the recent 4-wheeler magazine article. i would post it, but then my post would be almost as long as yours.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "All I am saying is you are showing articles on Prototype Titans. I suggest you wait and see some new articles on head to head comparisons. "

    The most you can place blame on prototypes might be fit of components, a few suspension tuning components, and computer related/software management pertaining to shift quality/responsiveness, etc. Prototypes WILL carry the same interior finishes as the final product and that was my point of those posts, I'm in the industry so I would know.

    While they all will nitpick one item or another, being no vehicle will be perfect, and ALL vehicles will have one flaw or another...the perfect vehicle has not yet been built... the point was that the F-150 definately has the better interior quality/materials....Prototype or not. Some of those articles also had "prototype" F-150's as well, so I threw those into the mix.

    "try looking at the recent 4-wheeler magazine article"

    And while one article won't tell the whole story, I threw in numerous sources, many different backrounds, different journalists, different circumstances, etc. Someone would have to be denial not to accept the fact that the F-150 has the best interior materials/presentation/quality. And that was the objective of my post.

    Thank you :)
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I guess it's what ya like. Me, I love the Ford. I love the interior, I love the 3V engine. I love the rack & pinion steering. I'm sure the Titan will be a fine truck too. But you heard it here first folks, that F-150 is gonna sell a million.........
  • bmwdougbmwdoug Posts: 248
    Hey, Iike the looks of the F150 as well, and I believe the interior is top notch. BUT, have you guys sat in the back seat??? When I sat in the back seat of the new F150, the back seat felt stiff like a board, the setback angle is not very good. A person's back would hurt after about 30 minutes of driving. Why in the world Ford would not design a comfortable back seat for a crewcab is beyond me. Also, NO side airbags, which is also surprising. Since, side airbags have been proven to increase safety.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The vehicle weighs over 5500lbs, I'm not worried about side airbags. I've bought vehicles without side/airbags when side airbags were being introduced in competitors vehicles. At some point it'll be phased in I'm sure. At least for me it's not a deal breaker (like red interior instrumentation is for me).
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I didn't sit in the back seat, but I don't sit in the back of my Gator either, nonetheless, my clients do, so guess that matters. From the power seat though, it's a lovely view. I also love the torque being 80% available at 1000 rpm.
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    It seems a lot of truck owners are affected by brand loyalty. I'm coming new into this truck stuff sort of.

    IMO the big 3 & now Nissan are all pretty close in specs. Yah, they each jostle for bragging rights; one may have 300lb capacity advantage, another 1 sec faster to 60mph,another 3/4" more ground clearance..etc. Percentage wise though, the differences IMO really are minute.

    The f150 looks nice enough, but driver door enter/exit was horrible. That gallon sized cup holder & tray at the bottom of the door you have to get your foot past by just to get into the truck was annoying. Not to bad when you can open the door wide at autoshow; but in day to day parking spaces,garage etc; entrance/exit would be difficult at best. This may sound trivial, but mistakes that obvious are ridiculous.

    Someone mentioned "that just right" feeling. That was my experience with the Titan. I agree,all the trucks have advantage but like a good shoe, try it for some time before you buy. I made that mistake with 7/8ths Tundra.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    you're just a domestic car bigot. All the Domestic trucks are darn good, as you sort of imply, so the fact that you would buy a Tundra rather than a real truck, and now will take another chance on the Titan, after being dissatisfied with the Tundra, tells me that you just like foreign steel better. No problem. But, your opinion of the Ford won't ever be positive unless we change the badge on it to a Japanese name. Therefore, let's call your critique what it is - you don't like American cars, rather than you can't get in and out of the Ford.

    You should get the Titan, because you won't be happy in anything else. I can't explain this phenomenon, but it's a real one. It's the same way I feel in a Chevy. Just don't like 'em. And, I admit it.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    the ford also doesnt offer any type of stability control. this has saved more lives than ANY type of airbags.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The best defend for stability control is the idiot driving the vehicle. If someone can make one of these vehicles lose control, they need to be OFF the road.... Personally, I think they should die. :-)

    Majority of buyer's will opt. for 4WD if they are concerned about traction. From my experience, many have their Anti-Skid Systems turned off in their vehicles not knowing what it does exactly. Whereas 4WD is something most understand (no matter what age demographic). Having Stability Control system doesn't hurt, see it as an added benefit your paying for.

    But this is part of the "this has this, this has that" nitpicking that in reality won't sway the consumer much. let's not forget the hardcore demographic and extremly loyal buyer's in this segment, and a few features here or there isn't enough to prove much for them.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    you obviously dont have children...if you did, the airbag debacle with the f150 would bother you to no end. MOST, not ALL, buyers will have families with children in the trucks. the fact that ford left something this pertinent to the market out of a brand new vehicle makes me wonder what else they "forgot".
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    "to no end"

    I think that may be a little, no a lot overly stated. How about we say, that it may be of some concern to some individuals in the market for a full-size pickup?
  • jcmdiejcmdie Posts: 595
    Personally, if I were in the market right now for a pickup, which I won't be for at couple more years, I would notopt for side air bags or 4 wheel ABS. Yes, I have a family and I do care about them. In my opinion side air bags are overkill and a waste of money. I want to be reasonably safe, but I don't feel that I need to live in a cocoon either. I also don't believe in sunroofs in trucks. It's for luxury cars, not trucks.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    you are the exact type that the nissan people said would NOT buy the titan...there are people who believe a truck should ride like a truck...they asked WHY? if it rides like a car, but loses no truck functionality, is it still a truck?

    if it has a sunroof, but still has a full truck functionality, does that make it NOT a truck? your statement is pretty closed minded.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Posts: 595
    I look at it as adding unnecessary frills. I know that a lot of buyers now buy a truck as thier car and want a soft ride etc... I probably like a few "frills" that another would think was useless. That is why they make so many configurations of trucks. It's just my opinion or what I like in a truck. I do know that I don't like paying for options that are packaged in that I have no use for. Many car companies package to sell you more than you wanted. Most 1/2 ton trucks will handle very poorly when loaded to thier limits and then some. The soft suspentions just don't hack it when you have some real weight back there. My concerns I'm sure are in the minority here.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    a soft feeling suspension doesnt automatically mean its actually soft. after driving the 2003 f150 an hour, it feels like i need back surgery. the 2004 has MORE truck-like capabilities than the 2003, AND rides soft enough to take a long trip comfortably. many paople are buying crew cab pickups to be the "do all" vehicle, so they dont have to spend more for 2 different vehicles. its actually more economical that way, and buyers know it. therefore, manufacturers are building what buyers want.

    if you have the money for 2 vehicles AND a work truck, more power to you...but wouldnt you save some cabbage if your truck did it all?
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    I have a GMC 2500 HD that I tow and hual with and a Corolla for my 46 mi commute. The fuel savings pays for the Toyota and the longer intervals between $35k pickups some here would consider profit.

    kip
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    you are at the extremes...but i understand. a 2500 HD isnt good for commuting, but a 1/2 ton crew cab isnt as bad...if necessary.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    You get it!!! Exactly why I drive a large SUV. It handles my clients in luxury for work, tows my weekend toys, and hauls my impulse purchases home on the spot! I was able to dump my sedan and pickup, combining them into one vehicle. It is cheaper for me, the insurance alone saves much more than the gas savings from a Corolla. Of course, my work Sedan wasn't a Corolla anyway....IYKWIM.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    you forget also the money you paid for the corolla...to save money on gas...

    thats like someone buying 10 widgets for the price of 9...but only need 3.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I was just pointing out that the insurance payments (insurance is very high in this town) alone that would be saved would more than cover the gas, let alone the cost of the extra car. I don't get the logic of folks who flip me off in my SUV, would love me to own 2 or 3 cars instead. Like that conserves resources!!!
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    you need to check out the "i dont like SUVs, why do you?" board.
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