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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150

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  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    "So it's a revelation that sales are down on a month to month (when traditionally June's are slow), when it's 8% ahead of last year's numbers?"

    The F-150 was only 1.3% ahead of last junes numbers. 7.7% YTD which means the Junes numbers were very disappointing for Ford. Which brings us to:

    "It used to be 35% are Heritage models which have stopped being produced, and reality it was 18% last month"

    That makes it look even worse.

    "So why is the smoke being placed on the F-150 which doesn't have a selling issue, when people are mentioning the Titan's (less than expected) sales ? "

    I didn't start it...this is a F150 vs Titan thread and people said the Titan was selling poorly. I said that is not true as it keeps on increasing each month and is now pretty well at it's monthly target (especially if you say June is a soft month!) I brought up the new F-150 sales figure to show that the Titan is actually performing better than people are saying and the F-150 worse. You Ford F-150 guys just have a hard time seeing reality. Your posts do more and more to prove my point

    Thanks!

    That all said, I still like the F150 and I like Ford, but I also like Nissan and the Titan. The F-150 was my 2nd choice and it could be my 1st choice in three years when I buy another truck. That will depend on which truck I like better then.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    Year 2002 YTD F-150 436,791 -3.5% down over 2001

    June 2002 F-150 91,481 -16.0% decline over June 2001

    Jeez, it doesn't seem to show that June is a "traditionally" slow month as you posted above. In fact, the 2002 June numbers were a big drop from 2001!!! yet they still were far higher than this June.

    My point is to show it is actually the "new" F150 that is having truly disappointing sales, not the Titan.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Far from it, F-150 sales are doing quite well overall. Double digit percentage increase from previous year sales, last month's 1.3% was the only one digit percentage of increased sales it has had.

    And as for a softening month, outside critics have already reported that June is usually a slow month for vehicle sales overall. As is February BTW, just as Winter Months are slow for RWD Mustang and/or converible Mustang sales.

    So the F-150 had a softer month this month than the last 11 is irrelevant compared with it's overall sales, and to say it's a sales dissapointment is comical considering more F-150 are sold in a year, than some other manufacturer's total brand sales figures.

    And who brought in the whole sales aspects anyway? Last I remember the topic was the Titan's quality issues.... Are sales number's the smoke being used to deter the topic of the Titan's horrible quality issue which is what some people were bringing up?
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Not at all. I am, however, one to not let go unnoticed blatant arrogance, condescension, misinformation, and down right juvenile silliness. This thread was started just to fill the ether with pseudo-superiority and "chest thumping," pure and simple, and as a vehicle to practice those "chest thumping" skills to a honed edge.

    >>>Dusty, you need to stop being such a blowhard and a chest-thumper on all this; in the end, these are just trucks, and competition is still good for everybody.<<

    Yeah, like that. You call me a "chest thumper" and "blowhard?" Well excuse me but this is just another example of the rich cognitive dissonance that is rapidly becoming the hallmark feature of the Titan lovers. I guess they define "chest thumper" and "blowhard" a little differently where you come from, but an excursion through these posts I think is self evident of who the "chest thumpers" and "blowhards" really are, all signatures of the new breed of bellicose Titan apologists, apparently.

    Now I'm sure you see it a different way, but without realizing it you've just summed up everything I've been trying to say. Let me also point out the extreme double standard that's being exerted in here, and now especially by you. But it seems that Titan egos are so fragile, aren't they. Criticise the other fellows opinions in stern, vituperative tone, but bristle at apologetic assertions when it comes the Titan way.

    As to the "debris" or "wreckage" comment, please don't use quotes. It
    assumes that those were terms that I used, and that is completely false.

    The revised 50,000 figure for projected Titan sales was not pulled from my "nevermind," either. I do agree with you that it likely came from somebody's "nevermind," but it wasn't mine. This was a statement made by one of your own. Please see post number 696.

    Since the title of this thread is "Titan vs. Ford F150," you have no right to expect that the rules are going to be different for those wishing to challenge the Tuculent Titans. The mere titling, by the way, and the tone set by a number of Titan lovers, was destined to draw in defenders of the F-150. So count me as one of them.

    And since you sign yourself "importfan," please, please don't try to make me believe that your opinion is without significant bias. By the way, your personal attack response to me, although I'm sure making you feel better, is far more indicative of your anger, not mine. Yes, I admit to having grown impatient with certain behaviors, but anger. No. There are far more important things in life to get angry about and it would be a much wasted emotion in this forum.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    "please don't try to make me believe that your opinion is without significant bias."

    i know you werent talking to me there, but i, actually, have no bias. i sell both, and both line my pockets nicely. my opinions on here are simply those that, in knowing both trucks head to toe, i think the titan is a better truck overall for a better price.

    to get a ford for a similar price, you have to go to the antiquated heritage model, and that doesnt compare in any way to the titan.

    if you want to get a ford, and want competitive features/utility, you have to get the new body...but to get one of those, its gonna cost you $2000-$3000 more.

    to me, if it were a matter of hundreds instead of thousands, it would probably be a 50/50 decision. but to get something SO equal for SO much less makes it a no-brainer.

    case-in-point...

    a customer came in looking at a supercab f150 xlt 4x4 w/5.4 and the 8800 GVW pkg. we were about $2100 away from a deal, and i asked if he were stuck on a ford. he said he would entertain the nissan if he liked the #'s.

    he drove an SE KC 4x4 w/the big tow pkg., and liked the truck equally with the ford.

    his OTD # on the ford was $30450. this was using the rebates in lieu of the rate.

    his OTD on the nissan was $29700, waiving the rebate, and using 1.9% for 60 months.

    needless to say, he took the nissan because, on top of everything else, he saved about $2400 in interest over the life of the loan.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    That was well explained, bowke, and certainly there are lots of customers out there like that. You're fortunate to be able to sell two such similar products for folks like that, who can then choose between the deals if they're not fixed on a particular brand. I'm one of those customers are is far more concerned that I get the vehicle I want than what it may cost me, so that wouldn't work for me, but I can easily see the point you were making. My dealer connections assure me of a decent price for the car, but even before I had those connections, it was always about getting the car I wanted, not the best deal on any acceptable car.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    it wasnt about getting the best deal. it was getting a truck he liked for a specific budget he needed to keep. the ford he liked couldnt get there.

    another point:

    the f150 supercab 4x4 xlt has a 3 year residual of 48% based on 15k miles/yr.

    the titan KC 4x4 SE has a 3 year residual of 57% based on 15k miles/yr.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    "Far from it, F-150 sales are doing quite well overall. Double digit percentage increase from previous year sales, last month's 1.3% was the only one digit percentage of increased sales it has had.

    And as for a softening month, outside critics have already reported that June is usually a slow month for vehicle sales overall. As is February BTW, just as Winter Months are slow for RWD Mustang and/or converible Mustang sales.

    So the F-150 had a softer month this month than the last 11 is irrelevant compared with it's overall sales, and to say it's a sales dissapointment is comical considering more F-150 are sold in a year, than some other manufacturer's total brand sales figures."

    Okay...Are you hard of hearing(reading); do you not know math? Can you not understand numbers? You just ignored my posts and stuck to " some unknown "expert" said June is a bad month and the F-150 is doing fine". Ya, way down from 2001 (I mean WAY down) and much of the increase over those last 11 months (over last year) was with big discounted "old" models. Let me guess, you ARE one of those salesman (not the factual one like Bowke) who is true and blue even when proved wrong. Ya just ignore the proof and slip back to weren't we talking about the Titan's lack of sales or quality or something like that?

    Also, I did bring up the quality issues of the Titan, and the F-150 as well as the other FS trucks...they all have problems! Case in point my mention of the two F-150 (new models by the way)that were FORD (Found On Road Dead). No Titans to be seen. But I am sure they are around because they also have some issues. BUT mine doesn't.

    Man you tire me out! Read the numbers. The F-150 does not have the sales it use to! Ya can't argue that! Yes it still sells the most, but it doesn't sell as much as before.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    And that's a problem ? Taurus doesn't sell the high number's it used to, but Ford ia making more profits on it now counting on less fleet sales. Which is better, sales number or profits ?

    As I stated before, the F-150 isn't problems selling, the Titan is as some articles have stated. And that's what some people (as well as the media) have pointed again. BUT as Dusty mention, it's the usual bias that is brought up to deter it from the real topic. The Titan's goal was 100K, and now suddenly the spin is whatever sales is "just enough and we are happy"...Yet if the sales of the F-150 drop, the sky is falling ? Heh...
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    I am sure Ford is just thrilled about the Taurus's sales figures. I am sure they are making a ton of money off the Taurus!

    Hey, I already answered your comment about the Titan's sales - so did Bowke. Since this is a topic about the F-150 vs the Titan, I thought we were allowed to bring up other topics like how unflattering the F-150s sales are. :-)

    For you Ant - The Titan's sales started a little slow because of many factors; including production problems, and inventory problems, as well as others. However, they are reaching their monthly goal (around 8000) even in that really soft month of June - as you stated June is a slow month (at least for Fords)
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  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    "Taurus doesn't sell the high number's it used to, but Ford ia making more profits on it now counting on less fleet sales."

    this proves to me that you dont know ford. ford is ramping up fleet sales of the taurus, because after this year, they will not be available to retail buyers...only fleet.
  • crosley4crosley4 Posts: 295
    I've read these posts about the Titan for weeks. Some helpful information here and on the Titantalk.com bbs

    I thought I wanted a new 04 Ford 150 till I looked at them in person. I like the interiors , the exterior does not appeal to me.

    The Titan has a nice interior and the exterior is similar to the Ford yet better looking IMO.

    In a year or so if Nissan can straighten out some of the issues with the Titan I will give them a serious look.

    Currently we own a 2000 Silverado 1500 xtra-cab & a 2001 Ford 150 super crew. Both are paid for and zero troubles with them.... I can wait a year to look at the Titan for a replacement for the Chevy
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    " I am sure they are making a ton of money off the Taurus!"

    The Taurus' tooling/engineering has already been paid for. So even with heavy incentives, they are still making a profit. Same with the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis/TC. Cash cows. Plus production of the new Ford 500/Freestyle/Montego start in Chicago on the 12th, while just ATL will be building the Taurus/Sables.

    "this proves to me that you dont know ford. ford is ramping up fleet sales of the taurus, because after this year, they will not be available to retail buyers...only fleet.
    "

    Ford has lowered fleet sales for the Taurus for the past year, which is why sales number's have dropped. This to gain profit, and lower it's depreciation rate. Once the (Sedan formanlly named Futura, which is new named is being tested on consumer clinics as we speak) goes on sale, then the Taurus will be left for fleet sales. Such as what GM has done with Malibu "Classic". And the same will occur with Crown Vic, when the next RWD replacement, comes online in 2008-2009....

    Your only at the sales person level. Do not tell me what I know and not know when it pertains to Ford. Your NOT talking to a customer.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I understand the higher residual for the Titan (this is my neck of the woods), but I also remember when 99 Navigators were being leased with 73% residuals after 4 years - and the huge losses banks took at the end of those leases once the competition had caught up, and everybody was offering large luxury SUVs. Your customers are smart to snatch these up while the residuals are high, but is not a reliable indicator of real resale yet. In a few years, we'll know how the Titan holds up, and what the demand for them may be. I expect they'll be good, but you never know.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    "Your only at the sales person level. Do not tell me what I know and not know when it pertains to Ford. Your NOT talking to a customer."

    AHAH!!!

    it finally comes out!

    but you are still wrong.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I'd be careful bashing ANT. You don't know who he is, he may be Bill Ford for all we know! Frankly, I don't think he is wrong, his logic makes sense to me, but there is no reason to get defensive and make this personal. If we could discuss features of the Titan vs. the F-150, that would be useful. I don't think anybody is saying one is bad, or worse than the other. Little less passion, little more information would be helpful.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    Don't know who you are, doesn't really matter if you really are Bill Ford because he has said the same things I have said in the past. I am not really questioning what you say because a lot of it makes sense concerning Ford, it is just what you won't say.

    I just wish you wouldn't try to pick out little things out of my posts to try and pick on, respond to the over all post. For example, the "NEW" F-150 is still way below the F-150 sales of 2-3-4 years ago. Or how about commenting on how the Titan is just about at its monthly goal. You ignore this. But it was an answer to your original post.

    This is not personal, I am not attacking you...if you think I am, sorry.,,But I just have to say it...You post like a lawyer, ignore the overall facts and pick apart the little things.

    By the way, I do agree with your observation about the Taurus. Bill Ford himself said what you are saying. The only thing is the horrendous quality issues they had with the Tuarus put them in the position where they had to do this. You don't see Toyota or Honda scaling back sales of the Camry or Accord.

    One last thing, you work for Ford but you are not a customer...Do you own a Titan Then? :-)

    just kidding!
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    "Before anyone looks really stupid here..... by nvbanker"

    Yup I agree with you.. but I really wish he/she would stop picking on the little things and we will be fine.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "I just wish you wouldn't try to pick out little things out of my posts to try and pick on, "

    I pick out the parts that are incorrect, and (as in the past) have linked you to the correct information. If those links are from a media source, and you dislike what it is they are saying, then you write them an Email about it. I just link it, doesn't mean you gotta kill the messenger over it.

    It's the typical biased that's quite common. BMW has a recall (like the X5 which has 12+), "Oh it's quality control to improve their product, how nice of them" gets printed on the back pages, IF ANY. When Ford does it "Oh my god, the sky is falling, they are backrupt, the whole company is sinking, abandon ship!!!" 5 articles over the doom of the company gets printed on the front page. And that's what I have seen repeated on this topic.

    The issues presented NOW (as the quality issue that was mentioned by a few media outlets) is about the Titan, and that's where the general discussion was at and should have addressed by those who have cared to comment. But it's just comical how old ghosts are resurfaced to try to prove a point that's irrelevant to the issue at hand.

    Just like the "OH mine has one inch longer leg room"..just sounds like teenage boys in the bathroom whipping out their private parts to measure with a ruler and just irrelevant because it's going to grow later on anyways, heh...
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    I am confused I guess.

    "The issues presented NOW (as the quality issue that was mentioned by a few media outlets) is about the Titan, and that's where the general discussion was at and should have addressed by those who have cared to comment. But it's just comical how old ghosts are resurfaced to try to prove a point that's irrelevant to the issue at hand."

    I was sure I had answered that and gave my $0.02. I was also sure that someone else had also moved the discussion to the Titan's sales. Which I was trying to answer within the context of Ford as this is a Nissan vs. Ford thread. Bringing up the F-150 sales to show the slaes of the Titan are okay makes sense to me and is in the context of this thread. Who says we have to "stick" to a topic brought up by one person anyway? This thread is about the Titan vs. the F-150. That makes Ford just as fair game as Nissan.

    AS to this:

    "It's the typical biased that's quite common. BMW has a recall (like the X5 which has 12+), "Oh it's quality control to improve their product, how nice of them" gets printed on the back pages, IF ANY. When Ford does it "Oh my god, the sky is falling, they are backrupt, the whole company is sinking, abandon ship!!!" 5 articles over the doom of the company gets printed on the front page. And that's what I have seen repeated on this topic."

    That is a little paranoid in my humble opinion. although, Ford did have a very high number of recalls on a couple of different vehicles but that seems to have gone away.

    Now on to the intent of the thread - F-150 vs. Titan.
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    It's F150 by a landslide.

    Mr. Ant: What can you tell me about the rummored 6.2 V8?
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    what do you mean?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "Mr. Ant: What can you tell me about the rummored 6.2 V8? "

    The "Hurricane" 6.2L will be an optional engine to possibly replace the V-10 since it's power ratings will be similar to the new 3V 6.8L V-10. And will obviously follow with Variable Valve Timing, Drive by Wire, easy maintenence design, etc.

    Currently supplier's are bidding for the job, and a few other things need to be finalized as well. The engine will be offered on the F-150 but will also be an optional engine on a few other vehicles as well. Notice how the Expy has a standard 5.4L 3V V8 for MY 2005... You could see it as a standard engine on Navi/Mark LT as well coupled with a 6 speed Auto. Transmission.
  • aspesisteveaspesisteve Posts: 833
    one feature I think is great in the new F150 super cab is the power roll down windows on the rear flip out doors. It gives the rear passengers the ability to see out and a faster way to let the heat out of the cab.

    Other things I liked were the feel of the material (cloth seats) and the feel of the stearing wheel while driving. IMHO
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    in the seats of the f150 is almost identical to that of the titan...just a different shape and color combination.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Same vendor, possibly, bowke? Ant? Clearly, the specs are very close evidently.
  • freekyfx4freekyfx4 Posts: 1
    OK. I spent the better part of Friday test driving both the Nissan Titan LE and the Ford F-150 FX4. In my opinion, nether truck felt "anemic". The Nissan seemed to handle a little better, but the Nissan just felt "cheap" to me on the inside. In contrast, the Ford with its leather captains chairs that look to be straight out of a Volvo, are absolutely the nicest seats I have ever sat in. Today, I went back and bought the F-150. Granted, I paid a little more for the Ford, but I believe that the Ford is still a better value. Here's a couple of pics of what mine looks like inside and out...I will take some of my actual truck tomorrow.

    http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix/2003/07/02/g04f150inside.jpg

    http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix/2003/07/02/g01autosmain1.jpg
  • bfdtpktbfdtpkt Posts: 2
    JEEEEZZ!!
    I came to this forum to get a little info and do some research on the F-150 & Titan, but you guys only wanna bicker back and forth about personalities!

    I'm trying to decide on which truck to buy...
    I guess I'll go elsewhere for info........

    I do thank the few that have stuck to the topic, however, it's very helpful!
  • snhemi1snhemi1 Posts: 1
    the titan has a very cheap intier quality and radios. that is why f.m. does not recieve very well.they use thin plastic and the a pillar is ridiciously large and causes massive blindspots.i have no idea of the endurance of there endurance engines, however nissans have alot of recalls and just wait and see when they start rolling in the recalls.
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