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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150

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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,967
    I know it's easy to get off into the side stuff, but let's make an effort to keep the discussion on the trucks and off of each other.

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  • Well, I agree with your statements. I looked at an f150 and it had a really nice exterior. I have pretty much made up my mind on the Titan. The interior was very comfortable in the Titan. Good thing I decided to wait until they started having the close out clearance sales. I am hoping the quality have been cleared in the other 04 that have come out. The 05 should be much better since it the second year of the Titan.They have deals now on Titans with rebates and no payments up until next year. The F150 is a pretty good truck. It has such a diversity of styles to chose from on its list. I do love the interior space on the Titan's crew cab. There is definitely plenty of room on the front and the back. It is going to be hard for truck salespeople to sell their trucks because of gas prices. This should give the consumer plenty of room to negotiate a good price. I don't really believe there is a flawless truck. I do think the Titan and the F150 are great trucks. F150 just had more of a heritage and tradition of being the number 1 pickup. F150 engine is somewhat of a concern for me. I do like to drive my vehicle somewhat in an outgoing manner. I do like to hit open road running in my vehicle with confidence that I keep up with whatever runs up to me. I think the F150 should have had the 5.4 liter as standard. Then they could have had bigger engine as optional. Or they could have made lighter version of the F150 with 5.4 liter engine. I am not going to be towing anything everytime I drive a truck. Sometimes, you just want enjoy the thrill of driving truck and enjoying the power and smoothness. F150 is mainly for people who focus on doing a lot of towing. The Titan is for people who just want to enjoy their truck and at times do some towing. The Titan is not really a work truck.It can used this way at times. It is really more for pure enjoyment of having a truck.
  • I can agree with you. The Titan does have more oomph and get up and go compared to the F150. But the F150 is more customizable when you want that perfect setup. I will agree that gas prices are hurting truck and SUV sales. I agree with phkck and will ignore that member posting gibberish. If I were to decide to get a pickup then it would be between the F150 and the Titan.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    if this forum is a dead issue...why do you stay?

    BTW...i sell both nissans AND fords. i grew up in detroit, and have been a ford guy all my life. the difference is that i have both products on a day-to-day basis. i get to compare them all the time, and to me, the titan is a superior truck in all measurable ways.
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    I do appreciate having and insider's perspective on the Titan - F-150 issue.
    And yes, gas mileage is a concern. It is hard to justify going from 28mpg to 14mpg to my wife or tree hugging parents for that matter.
    Would love to have the utility of a truck again!
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    her parents wont let you get a truck?!?!?!

    dude...we have to work on the fortitude of part of your anatomy...lol.
  • her parents wont let you get a truck?!?!?!

    dude...we have to work on the fortitude of part of your anatomy...lol.

    HAHAHAHAHA.
  • Well, you are going to be one riding and paying for the truck. My folks have tried to talk me out of getting a Titan and get an F150. My family is Ford bound. I own a dodge car and nissan van. Unless, they are paying the note then go after what makes you happy. I also plan on getting that new dodge magnum. It best to make sure you are the one that's happy with your purchases. My wife and I we do discuss major purchases. I am the breadwinner of the household. So, my decisions usually are the final decisions. Shop around and check some of the prices. They have some really good deals out there for the Titan and F150. You don't have to get one right now. But, I do like the F150 interior better than Titan's interior. I bet you would be surprised at all the good deals out there for trucks because of the gas prices. You might not want to get the four wheel drive. Some people don't know how to shift it out of four wheel drive back the two wheel drive. A Titan salesman showed me the difference to save your gas. I think it is 14mpg in the city and 18mpg on the interstate. Some people have reported 20mpg. Trucks are useful and you can always get your money worth because of all the versatility. A truck is an investment not just a toy. I think suvs are toys.
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    My parents are the big tree huggers in the family. I certainly respect their opinions but make my own choices.
    Now we are actually getting some good discussion on this thread.
    I work with quite a few people who have family members who work in KC Ford plants. The prices they are negotiating with the A plan seem pretty awesome. I have found I can already beat the X-plan offers with my limited negotiating skills.
    I am glad that I am not a car salesmen currently, looks as though the inventory is just not moving.
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    I grew up in Denver in my early driving days and feel very comfortable with 4WD. In fact I don't think I would buy a full size truck without 4WD. Not something I need that often but glad to have it when I want to go off the beaten path.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    x-plan, since it is available to everyone, is about 1% under invoice.

    there is no negotiating on a-plan. it is set by ford...so dont go praising peoples' negotiating skills if they have a-plan...lol.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I have owned many brands of cars in my driving lifetime. Ford products & Nissan products have always done well for me, and are favorites of mine.

    I have two neighbors with Armadas, and one neighbor with an 04 F-150. I asked them both recently about their experience with their trucks. Here's the real poop.

    ARMADA NEIGHBOR #1 - He's a Urologist. Loves his Armada. Has some squeaks & rattles, and had a few minor "things to work out", but nothing major in his mind. Bear in mind, that he traded in a Suburban, so he's not used to perfection - this is a big improvement in his words.

    ARMADA NEIGHBOR #2 - He's an electrical contractor. Loves his Armada even more! His was a very early production model, and he has had some defects that needed to be handled, but nothing that has put him off on the truck either. However, he also switched from a Tahoe, so he wasn't used to excellence either.

    F-15O NEIGHBOR - He owns an electronics shop. He also has an 04 Dodge Ram, no hemi. Says the Dodge is tinny compared to the Ford, smaller inside, and less substantial, but also cheaper. As for the F-150, he has had -0- defects, and is completely satisfied with it.

    My Conclusion? Both the Titan/Armada and F-150 are great versions of the same theme. The Ford is probably put together a little better at the inception. History would comfort me that it will be a good long term truck. OTOH, the Titan/Armada, whichever, is a great design, and really drives well. Maybe even more fun to drive than the Ford. But Infiniti/Nissan isn't known for their consistency in quality - some cars and years are better than others. And the French who own them, well, they're European, where quality is still not completely understood to the Japanese level. Between the two, I would bet on the Ford. But there's no reason to think the Titan won't be a good long term performer yet. We'll just have to wait and see.
  • I was all set on getting a Titan SE Crew because of more safety features, all aluminum engine, good value, and history of quality in the brand. I had a rock solid '88 Nissan Pathfinder. Then I started seeing messages in the Edmunds forums about problems in the Armada and Titan and then came the low rating in the JD Power Initial Quality Survey. It appeared to me that Nissan was trying to get away with their reputation for quality while building vehicles of lesser quality. It would be a while before the public would know better. The articles I read in car magazines had the same theme of the Nissans as having a cheap look to them as far as interior materials were concerned. Some say that all the problems can be fixed with minor changes but I think some may not be fixed until a major redesign. Profit at the expense of quality may be the theme of the Nissan CEO. So I'm basically distrustful of Nissan's at this time.
  • Yawn....

    now go drive one...a crew cab with DVD entertainment, GPS Navigation, Sunroof, side curtain airbags, utili-track, 6 cd 350 watt audio with subwoofer, heated seats, mirrors, adjustable pedals, back-up sensors, tire pressure monitor, traction control, vehicle stability, it doesn't get any richer than that in trucks.

    ...and don't take your wallet or your trade.
  • Part of the problem is the perception created by saying the Titan interior looks cheap compared to the F150. People have taken that to mean that the quality is crap and that isn't the case. Ford took their interior to a Lincoln like level which is great for the people who want to pay a premium price. However, for the rest of us, the Titan has a very nice interior, controls are solid, seats are comfortable, and in the case of my Titan I don't have a bunch of squeeks and rattles. One of the big problems with trucks today is that steady march toward $45k. I don't think the extra $3k plus that the comparable F150 would have cost me is worth the difference in interiors. Everything else about the Titan seems to be as good or better than the F150
  • I must agree that the F150 interior is nice, but the Titan is in no way "cheap". Yes the dash has a lot of plastic but i don't want and won't pay for real wood trim in a pick up truck.

    I also have a Lexus GX which has been praised by the same reviewers that note the Titan plastic. The Lexus does have real wood trim and real leather trim but it has some plastic also...all cars have plastic or a synthetic rubber in the dash.

    The Titan dash is easy to clean also. Dust never seems to collect on it. The captain seats are spacious and comfortable. The memory seats and adjustable pedals rock. Haven't had to use the heat button yet but I'm sure it'll be nice this winter.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    A postscript to #886:

    Dr. across the street with Armada acquired a toy hauler last weekend out of state, and went up to pick it up. Towing it home with his Armada, he was telling me last night, empty, has caused him to believe that he will need to get an Excursion with a Diesel to properly tow this trailer. Again, it was empty, and 35 ft. long. Not a monster.

    He said he got 5 MPG towing it with the Endurance V-8, and had to pedal up the hills, and that the Armada wasn't up to the task. FWIW.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    a 35 foot ANYTHING is immense!

    sounds to me like the RV salesman told him it would be OK. ask AKANGL about RV salesmen...lol.

    the other thing to remember, is that to tow 9000 lbs, you need a class IV weight-distributing hitch. what probably happened is the tongue weight was too high. the weight-distributing hitch helps out with that alot.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Did I write 35 ft? Yes I did, my bad. It's 25 ft, so not quite so immense. But anyway....it's just a V-nose enclosed cargo trailer he's going to put his quads in for transportation. And it was completely empty, so no where near 9000lbs.
  • The Armada has a much shorter wheelbase than a pickup and coil springs in the rear. Moving to a vehicle with a longer wheelbase helps a lot. Weight distributing hitches and anti-sway bars are also necessary. I towed a 29 foot Travel Trailer with a 99 Expedition which has a fairly short wheelbase, 119" and found it to be adequate but it was moved around a little bit by wind gusts but not such that it was unsafe, it just made driving more difficult. Maybe the ball height on the Armada was too low such that a lot of the trailer weight was on the hitch rather than its own wheels.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    "it was moved around a little bit by wind gusts"

    the VDC on the armada and titan doesnt allow that or downhill push to happen.

    "Maybe the ball height on the Armada was too low such that a lot of the trailer weight was on the hitch rather than its own wheels."

    thats alot of the problem too, many times.
  • I don't know that VDC would be necessary. It was just that I had to steer a bit more. The trailer never got to point of swaying such that I had to push the brake controller to stop the trailer from swaying back and forth. I do think the stability control would be a great safety feature to have if truck and trailer were going too fast downhill or around a corner. I think a wide stance, long wheelbase, solid frame, and heavy duty suspension, help keep the drive with a trailer more relaxed. I also think it wise to have a vehicle that can tow far above what will be towed, not close as an trailer dealer might try to push you.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    You do not need an Excursion. The Titan/Armada will pull 25ft with little problem as long as it is equipped right. Anything over (or around) 25ft needs a WD hitch. F-350 or Titan... A WD is needed. The Titan (the Armada a tad bit less) will pull ANYTHING up to 9400#(depends on model) better than any Ford (F-150 and Exursion) at the same weight. Ya just have to make sure that is is properly equipped.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    it may not be necessary, but it DOES help out alot. it would negate the need for that 'extra steering'.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    wasn't complaining about the handling pulling the trailer, just the lack of enough grunt. That's why he wants a Diesel.
  • If the good doctor wants the most, the diesels got the grunt (torque) and the vehicles they are available in on are heavy duty trucks. He probably would forget he was towing something. It would seem that a big block V8 in the gm's or the v10 in the ford's would be plenty though. Diesels cost an extra 5 to 6 grand, only available in huge trucks, and are noisier. For it me it would come down to how much towing versus driving around without something in tow. The Excursion was never a good riding vehicle. It certainly wouldn't be anywhere as nice riding as an Armada. The Yukon Denali XL with a longer wheelbase, and a 6 liter V8 may be an acceptable choice but that tows a max of 8,000 pounds.
  • I will definitely get stability control in my next vehicle. It will likely have widespread availability by then because it is an obvious key safety feature especially useful in the winter on icy roads.
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    Saw the GM commercial tonight and read at other sources that Ford is going to follow suit with 72 month 0% APR and rumors of no money down.
    This sale is to be Sept 26 - 30th.
    Right now I know there are a lot of 04 trucks on the lots in KC.
    Imagine only a percentage of buys will qualify for the 0% though.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    72 month financing is insane, no matter WHAT the rate.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I disagree, bowke. It's free money - so the amortization is irrelevant. Patricularly if you keep your car forever. It just spreads the principle way out, but doesn't cost you more in finance charges. I actually see lots of sanity in this, and using the difference to invest in something that appreciates.
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