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Saab 9-7X

theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
The new Saab SUV based off the GMT-360 platform (same as Envoy and company) will make its world debut at the 2004 New York Auto Show in April, 2004, and will go on sale about one year later. Initially, the 9-7X will be produced specifically for the United States and Canadian markets.

It will be very similar to the Rainier, coming in short-wheelbase only and offering the the inline six and 4.2L V8. It will be lowered a bit for a more sporting appearance, and may have an upgraded interior. This is just a stopgap model, plans are already underway for a true new model debuting much later in teh decade. Here's the initial sketch:

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P.S.: It will have the shifter on the floor.
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  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    On that Ranier!
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    Whoops. I meant it will have the ignition on the foor.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    if it is a 'Saab Rainier' the only way this vehicle will not get absolutely butchered in the automotive press will be if it has a unique and quality interior. Not a detroit interior.

    To me if they are committed to proceeding with this brand slander, then turbocharge the 6 to be unique......
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Not a bad idea. Since the ads for Saab right now brag that the whole line is turbocharged. That'll make it unique.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    The platform has been heavily modified to make it sportier (they should have done that for the SSR), so hopefully that means a new interior as well. Don't expect turbocharging any time soon.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    At least that will draw some buyers from the other models not just because there's a Saab badge plastered to the front but because it's sportier than the TrailBlazer, Envoy or Ranier.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    it would still make sense for Saab to engineer a turbo for the thing.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    just add a turbo to the 3.6 to make up for the small difference in horsepower between the 2.
    3.6 makes 245 non turbo- engineer a 35 horsepower turbo making 280 horsepower, five more than the 4.2 inline 6.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    Actually the HF 3600 makes 260 HP in the STS. Only problem is it's a car engine. The HF engines can't tow squat, neither can the Northstars.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    I doubt saabers will be pulling yachts
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    you can always throw in a hybrid. The Prius has 295 pounds of torque! That'll tow like crazy. Then again, most Saab customers don't tow.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    A 1000 lb towing capacity is not acceptable in a full out, BOF SUV. Bragging rights. Besides, Saab hopes to snag some new customers.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    295 Lb ft at ZERO rpm...LOL!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    yeah.... 295 pounds of torque ought to tow your boat and the neighbor's boat!
  • Saab should add the low pressure turbo to both the V6 (280-290 HP) and V8 (290 -320 HP) motors.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    The inline 4200s are getting a power boost to 290 next year anyway.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    The inline 4200 will be upgraded to 290 HP and 290 lb ft, as well as a few other changes:

    -A few internal improvements
    -Some software changes
    -A fuel economy improvement of 13%.
    -15% quieter at idle
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    will the 9-7X at least get a turbo and an ignition on the floor? I noticed that the 9-2X does not have the ignition on the floor, which might make some Saab loyalists mad.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    It will have the ignition on the floor, but turbocharging is very unlikely.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    got the turbo but not the ignition on the floor. Hmmmmmm....
  • Remember, Saab has not had alot of time to re-engineer many things on the 9-2X (Subaru WRX) car before it comes to market. Some body panel changes (front hood), some interior trim (Forester dash pieces) so I imagine the ignition placement was not high on the list of changes/per cost to change.

    Hopefully they will have had more time and final approval input on changes with the 9-7X. Otherwise if it is a GM bargain bin Frankestein job they are going to get slaughtered in the press and in forums like this. I hope for the best, as we should be in the market for a car by 2005/6. I think/hope it will be a lesser SRX which is not a bad thing.
  • If Saab executes these new models properly, they should be a new force, kind of like the comeback of Infiniti.

    The 9-2X really needs an upgraded interior, the 9-3 needs to be as nice on the inside as it is out, with a competnet AWD system and all the new 9-3 bugs fixed. The 9-7X had better be right(interior, ride, features controls, relaibility) or they are going to get slaughtered. I am optimistic though.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    in the local paper today, there was an article about the 9-7X, with a big sketch like on the first post right there, the headline of the business section.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    They only way Saab is going to stage a comeback like Infiniti is if they manage to fool enough non-Saab traditionalist into buying these warmed-over vehicles. I doubt they can do that in sufficient numbers.

    M
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    the forthcoming 9-3 Hatch (actually wagon, but it will not be called that in NA).

    This car will be a Saab throughout. And it will be a very nice Saab indeed. Infiniti has a big old truck in its line up. If it still sells the I, it still has a warmed over Maxima as well.

    There is no reason Saab should be any worse off for mixing pretenders with the real thing.
  • Infiniti / Nissan cross platform sharing was key to them saving costs to be able to develop the G35. The Murano and FX are crossed also. The 9-2X is a stop gap admittedly. The 9-3 is new and based on a shared platform and the 9-7 is shared but supposed to be executed and detailed quite differently. We will see. Either way they have to get more than Saab traditionalist to buy. Saab is not going away though. The work of Saab (Styling) & Subaru (robust mechanicals) together in future projects could be great.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    the 9-2x is fine car because the WRX is a fine car.

    but the interior has no 'scandinavian appeal' of saab's products. its obviously a japanese design.

    no self respecting urban yuppie who wants a european car can go for something so obviously low buck middle market Asian. That ruins a huge part of brand image right there. Its a sport compact car dash for cryin out loud.

    no saabs have had boxer engines. boxers are subaru engines. saab fans will notice and care.

    people will buy this car for the car itself, not because it has any saab qualities to it.

    this is just opening up a marketing channel to sell more WRX's is all it is. The brass may think it will broaden Saab's appeal, but the end result will be to water down the brand till it blends in with the rest of the GM fold. It doens't do anything to strengthen brand image long term. All it does is enable Saab dealers to have a little more revenue in the interim. What is sacrificed is snob appeal. Or as we call it, market position.

    Saab would have been better off in the interim to broaden the appeal of the 9-3 even more.

    The VERY LEAST they could have done is given the car an interior worthy of Saab design. Something all new. Something reminiscient of contemporary artful design and not your punk teen neighbor's fartcan winged compact car.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    they could have brung over the 1.8 9-3 models from Sweden and price them where the 9-2X currently stands.
  • GM doesn't know how to make money...well, that is. The only way they make money is by exploiting one car into many different forms. For example:

    05 Uplander = Montana SV6, Terraza, Relay

    Now with the TrailBlazer...OMG!!

    04 TrailBlazer = Envoy, Rainier, Ascender, Bravada, and now 9-7X!!!!

    Why so many forms??
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