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Toyota Tundra vs. Nissan Titan

bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
edited March 22 in Nissan
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  • triattriat Posts: 121
    As a Tundra "access cab" owner, I figured I would in time move up to the new Double Cab.

    Then at the Austin Autoshow sometime ago there was the new Double Cab sitting close to the CrewCab Titan. The Double Cab wasn't even out yet, and the Titan was a prototype.

    Nevertheless it was pretty obvious the differences sitting in one after the other back and forth a number of times. First, the Double Cab from the driver's position felt almost identical to my Access Cab, except the DC looked really long to the back, & it was hard to see over the high tailgate. And I'm 6'1. The biggest impression was how much more ergonimic the Titan was. While I feel like I have to adjust my body to the Tundra, everything just feels better in the Titan. The adjustable pedals are a nice touch.

    From then on I started Titan research in detail. Later driving an early delivery Titan finally changed my mind. Now I'm buying one!

    Tundra is a good truck, I just think the Titan is that much better.
  • jcmdiejcmdie Posts: 595
    Well I suppose that the Titan is officially out, but you couldn't sell me on the fact that it is out. I was out yesterday making a delivery and was near one of the larger Nissan dealers in the area. Not only did they not have any shipped to them yet, but Nissan has informed them that it could be another month before they see any. All that advertising on TV is pretty well wasted on a product that isn't really here. I got a nice broschure to look at. The truck will have a few very nice features and a few not so nice.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    i agree...my dealership is one of the largest on the zone, and we were just told that we MIGHT get ONE by the end of the month. i think nissan is dropping the ball
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    Manufacturers do have target markets. For example manufacturers tend to supply first trucks to Texas market. Car manufacturers like BMW,MB first focus on California, East Coast, & some high income cities like Dallas.

    Then there is supply/demand, and shipping. Initial demand on a solid product like Titan will outstrip initial production. Then there is shipping logistics. I know from prior similar situations, where vehicles get railed through extra ports on seemingly endless careening routes to reach what would otherwise be a short or straight shot from assembly.

    However not getting one of the new models for a whole month seems extreme, even for the largest dealer in a zone. Maybe the dealer is not so large afterall...
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    They are building up enough stock to avoid the kind of price gouging that comes with short supply of a popular vehicle like what happened when Mazda first introduced the Miata.

    Another posibility is a pre-production recall like what GM did with thier "01 HD series. It was six months late to hit the dealers and another year to work out the bugs.
     I sincerly hope this is not the case.

    kip
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    "Maybe the dealer is not so large afterall.."

    we are 2nd in the zone in volume, and just spent $4 million to build the largest facility in the nation. we get alot of favors from nissan for that. also, the regional rep. told us that we would have the 'first and most' titans in the zone.

    so far, noone has any, so thats SOME consolation. ;-)
  • They are out here (Atlanta area) and at several dealerships. I have read that Nissan is only introducing them into the market at 3 cities and Atlanta is one of them. Then judging from the success/failure/comments, they can make changes during production.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    im in louisville, and we will get our 1st one on the 15th. XE king cab 4X4.
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    I've heard the same about target markets from several other sources also.

    I also think Nissan is making changes. I seem to remember Nissan announcing mostly KCab's in November-December, then Ccab's starting month later, like December or January.

    Other than prototype Kcab at Austin Autoshow early November, I haven't seen a KCab since. Only CCab's coming in; and they're selling...
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    yeah...thats what is so irritating. they are selling ELSEWHERE. its like im reaching for a paycheck, and its just past my fingertips! ;-)
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    but when Toyota was negotiating last Spring with San Antonio for it's huge manufacturing plant to build new Tundra's(& I believe Tundra engines); combined with the fact this is pickup country; I believe Nissan decided to come out strong in the Hill Country.

    All the parts & vendors companies for Toyota are scouring the Hill Country towns for sites. One company today announced 100 new jobs for Georgetown.

    I know in competition you go for the pass or meet the competition head-on if you can make it stick, and when there's a good opportunity.
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    Bowke, I can imagine the huge frustration. Are you getting any build sheets? If so, is the KC the only one coming in?
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    is the only one we know about for now.

    triat...we have no clue about the delay. everything we were told before december 1st was that we would be ready for launch. we have had no solid answers to the reason for our delay.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    Ya know, I have read a lot of P releases and other stuff and never once did I read that the Titan will be available everywhere Dec 1st. The impressions I got were they were being released in select markets Dec 1st and then gradually introduced throughout the US throughout Dec. Maybe we were all just wanting it faster than we were being told.

    But, hang in there, they will come and people will but from you Bowke. Don't worry about the customers that are leaving for the other trucks right now, because you will still be able to sell all you will be allowed to get...and that's the problem...you won't get as much as you want.

    My nissan dealer is very sad they are only getting one a month (especially being in truck country!) But they have to live with it as Nissan is not flooding the market to start off with...they are rampning up slowly. This has the effect of building demand.
  • When is the new Tundra coming out? 05 or 06? Is it really going to have 300+Hp?
  • Nissan is only releasing the Titan in 10 major cities at first. Washington, D.C. is one of them, the others are mostly southern, midwest cities and Cali. New York is not one of the 10 cities. I have seen a truck carrying Titans around D.C. two days in a row so we have them around here. The first truck had KC Titans, Armadas, Quests and I think Maximas. The second trailer was stricly carrying Armadas and Titans with some Crew Cabs on board.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,698
    just outside of DC had two dark green Titan SE King Cabs on their lot yesterday.

    Bob
  • I just got back from Winchester, Va and can you believe they have 7 Titans! All of them 4x4, 2 were crew cabs, 5 king cabs, either SE or LE...one LE was Loaded w/ a sticker of $41k. They were trying to sell for MSRP, so I'll wait 2 or 3 months until they come to their senses!
  • bowke? why do you not have any titans yet. I am in houston, we received 6 from our fisrt shipment and currently have 14 in stock. people are going nuts over this truck. I've sold three so far and have four waiting for specifics coming.
  • these trucks are about $3,000 less than comparably equipped competitors. Why wait?
  • Hey MR./MS.Host,... Thought this was supposed to be a Tundra vs.Nissan(Renault)Titan board ? Looks like a Nissan(Renault) Titan salesperson "Love Fest" to me !!??
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    The Tundra didn't offer much competition.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    It should be renamed to Tundra vs. Dakota topic. May get more responses that way.....hmmm why does this all sound familiar?
  • The new Tundra will be more than a match for the Titan with its 5.5L 300+hp engine. Just wait another 10 months
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    renault was nothing more than cash to nissan in '98. they have no input on products, and do not have controlling interest. kinda like a sugar daddy! ;-)
  • rosey4rosey4 Posts: 42
    I saw the messae above regarding the 2005 Tundra. Can anyone confirm whether Toyota plans to build the 2005 Tundra with more horsepower? I really like the Toyota Tundra Double Cab, and actually plan to purchase one, but I may wait, should Toyota build one with more horsepower. Does anyone know what Toyota's timeframe is?
  • Hey Bowke 28, ...where I come from the "Golden Rule" is "the guy with the gold makes the rules". Who intro'd the Nissan(Renault)Titan last year at the auto shows? AAAAA.. a guy named Carlos Goshen, check who he works for, I don't think it's Asia,looks like a French Connection to me. Sorry it's a Renault.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    carlos is nissan's design specialist. he works for nissan, and has worked for other american/japanese companies before as well.

    and actually, he's belgian.

    you can also find, on nissan-global.com, the actual relationship between nissan and renault.

    p.s. the golden rule? since nissan still holds 69.2%, that means they make their own rules, huh?
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    Are you shopping for, or do you own a "truck" at all?

    Or did you come here from one of the other toyota boards to tell the world they don't know how to shop?

    Do you mean to imply that only aisians can sell aisian cars in America?

    Do you have a question to ask or any valid information to offer?
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