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Chrysler Town & Country and Dodge Grand Caravan 2005+

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  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    How many miles on the 2005 GC SXT that you got for $19,995?
         It was obviously USED as the MSRP for a 2005 GC SXT was $26,995 when it came out and the 2004 GC SXT had a much higher MSRP.
  • chuckgchuckg Posts: 69
    Just purchased a nicely equipped 2005 GC SXT for my wife on 10/4/04. The van came with the 29P package. I've copied and pasted the options on the vehicle because some may not be aware of the 29P. It isn't listed on Edmunds but is listed on KBB. It stated on the sticker that this package was available till 12/31/04.

    I don't know how this will post but I'll give it a try. Here goes.

    Customer Preferred Package 29P $3,495
       No Charge DVD ($1,150) And


       Power Liftgate

       Power Sunroof

       Rear Seat Video System

       In-Dash 6-Disc CD/DVD Changer

       2nd-Row Overhead 7" Video Screen

       Wireless Headphones

       Video Remote Control

       Leather Trimmed Bucket Seats

       Premium Two-Tone Seat Accents

       Heated Front Seats

       Power Front Seats

       Driver's Adjustable Lumbar Support

       Vinyl Door Trim with Map Pocket


    Premium Group $1,235
       Air Cond. w/3-Zone Auto Temp Control

       Cabin Air Filtering System

       Power-Adjustable Pedals

       ParkSense(TM) Rear Back-up System

       Vehicle Security System

       Vehicle Information Center

       Touring Suspension

    Removable Center Front Seat Console $195
    Infinity(TM) Speaker System $425
    SIRIUS Satellite Digital Radio $195
       1-Year Service Provided by SIRIUS

       Call SIRIUS @ 888-539-7474

    O/Head Rail & Bins Sys Delete Credit

    DESTINATION CHARGE $680

    TOTAL PRICE:* $32,570

    Here's what I paid, some numbers rounded.

    30,200 Invoice
    1,500 Cash rebate
    1,500 Chrysler financial rebate
    500 Chrysler loyalty rebate
    300 Dealer rebate
    1,500 Trade-in

    My out-the-door price was $27,250, which included sales tax of 8%.

    Considering the options I got, I believe I did all right. I was planning on waiting until Christmas to purchase the vehicle, but after I saw the rebates and the 29P package, I figured what the heck....go for it now. And besides, my wife is crazy about it.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    It could be a good deal, but what about the "$1500 trade in"? Did you trade a vehicle in, and if so, did you only get $1500 for it? If it was worth more than $1500, then you maybe did not ge a good deal. If it was a junker, then the $1500 may be a valid "rebate".
  • chuckgchuckg Posts: 69
    badger- My trade-in was a 1993 Mercury Villager with 101,000 miles. Was it a junker?...no. Everything worked on it, however it was just time to get rid of it.

    I checked the trade-in value and considering it's condition, that was the right price.
  • tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
    I was curious about this deal too. Was this new?

    A deal is only as good as the rebates. You take the invoice, subtract all the rebates, that's pretty much the best price anybody can do. How was $19,995 possible? Thanks for your clarification.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,803
    Unfortunately, the "experts" (CR, NADA, KBB, Edmunds) never compute depreciation on the difference between price paid for purchase and price received for trade-in.

    Actually we do:

    "Depreciation

    This is the amount by which the value of a vehicle declines from its purchase price. The purchase price employed for new cars is the vehicle's True Market Value® price in your state ..."

    TCO FAQ (The FAQ goes on to say the trade-in value is based on TMV, private party, 15k a year).

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  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Looks like you indeed got a good deal. It even would have been a good deal without the trade.

    This is a really well equipped minivan and still priced in the mid $20K range, with or without the trade, not including sales tax which varies from state to state.
  • chuckgchuckg Posts: 69
    badgerfan- It's still a lot of money.

    When I was doing my research, the 29P package didn't show up on anyone's inventory from the Dodge site. Then one day, it just showed-up. I had absolutely no idea it even existed. That's why I posted the options on the vehicle. Maybe it will help someone that reads this board.

    Edmunds needs an update on the pricing of this vehicle.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Yes, a lot of money, but when you go see what some people are willing to pay for a loaded up new Sienna or Odyssey, upwards of $35-$40K, it is still somewhat reasonable. One of my coworkers bought a GC SE+ for just a bit under $20K not including sales tax, so you can keep it fairly inexpensive if you delete some of the toys.

    I like to stay on the low (but not stripper) price end as well. No sense dumping a huge amount of money into a depreciating asset. We are still driving a 1996 short wheel base Caravan SE Sport, that we bought new but a leftover in March 1997 (I like bargain leftovers!). It has about 79,000 miles and still running and looking good. We will probably keep it several more years, and by then DC will probably have a new generation out.

    I think loaded/luxury vehicles are a product of the leasing/long financing mentality of a lot of car buyers these days. They start thinking "For just a few dollars a month more payments, I can get all these bells and whistles". But, those few dollars a month add up, and they end up having continuous car loan or lease payments forever, rather than buying rarely and driving it for ten years or so.
  • chuckgchuckg Posts: 69
    I certainly can appreciate your opinion when it comes to cars. I also really hate to put that much money into a depreciating "asset."

    So, I have to rationalize the decision in my mind or believe me, it would wear on me. I'm driving an 11 year old vehicle. It sill looks great and drives good, but I sure would like a new one. The Chrysler 300C is the vehicle I really want. Maybe someday after I digest the chunk of money that I put down on the GC.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Although the fore and aft movement of 2nd row StowNGo is nice, there appears to be very little "toe room" under either the seats for 3rd row passengers or even 2nd row passengers (under front seats). My 2002 T&C LX has better "toe room" for 2nd or 3rd row passengers than did the 2005 GC SXT and T&C minivans that I have sat in. The armrests of my 2002 T&C LX 2nd row bucket seats are wider and more comfortable than the 2005 2nd row seat armrests.
         I would prefer having the nice 60/40 split, fold-into-the-floor 3rd row seats without having the StowNGo 2nd row seats. I think 2nd row fold into the floor seats is overkill and would have preferred a larger fuel tank.
  • chuckgchuckg Posts: 69
    hansienna- There is enough toe room in the 2nd and 3rd row of seats for me. I'm 5'9", but someone that is taller may not like the room.

    The seats though are another subject. They are low-back so they can fit into the StowNGo compartment. In order to get comfortable in them, one HAS to move the headrest up. This is a must because the bottom of the headrest is on the seat in the down position and will stick you in your back if you don't move them up.

    I agree with you. I believe the 2nd row seats should be regular captain chairs.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    You can still get a SE GC without stow and go, if that is your concern, however the third seat won't stow either, and of course these are less luxurious, though still very functional minivans.

    Also, the short wheel base versions are still available with full size Captains chairs in the second row.

    Funny, our 1996 short wheel base Caravan has never been a source of toe space complaints from passengers in the second row or the third for that matter, though the third row is rarely used, I must admit. This is a short wheel base van, which should be quite pinched for space and it is not. Not a huge space available, but with the upright seats, you don't really need a lot of fore aft space between rows.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    I too would love to have the Chrysler minivan without the second row stow-n-go. Just 60/40 3rd row seat would be perfect for most people. heck, I even like the 2nd row bench seat more than the captain chairs - There is a lot of room between the sliding door and the seat (for an extra suitcase, for example), and my children are very satisfied with a bench seat. (and yes, I would also like a bigger fuel tank).

    But you know, this is the only thing Chrysler features over the competition, so they will stay with all seats stow-n-go.

    Perhaps in the next generation (2007 redesign??) Chrysler will have a wonderful van, well competing with the imports, then they will be able to eliminate the second row stowing seats and still be ahead of the game...

    Who knows?
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    The lack of toe room in Chryslers van is due to the stow-n-go seats, so the back part of the 2nd row seat goes until the floor, with no room to put 3rd row passengers toes under the seat as usual. It's not like lack of space or something, but just that design takes away any toe room.

    Of course if you're using the van for children with safety seats it shouldn't be a big problem.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    I drive in my business a 2003 T&C. I found 2 things missing which I like on my 2002 Windstar.

    1) Power accessory delay: When you shut off the engine, you still have 10 minutes to listen to the radio, open windows, and some other minor electronics. Of course, opening a door will cancel the delay feature. But in the T&C it will do the same for just about 30-40 seconds and then shut-off. Does it have a setting? Is 2005 the same, too?

    2) Illuminated exit (if this is the right word): When you take out the keys of the ignition, the interior lamps comes on, to 'help' you exit. I'm so used to this feature, but the T&C don't have it. I would like to know if the 2005 T&C still does not have this feature.

    My Windstar lease is almost over, and I'm thinking to replace it with a Chrysler/Dodge van. As a lease, I don't care about resale value and reliability since it's under warranty for the 3 years. Of course I don't want to sit at the dealer daily or weekly, but no van is that bad. Even my Windstar served me well, and I would even go with the Freestar if it would offer 60/40 rear folding seat, refined engine with better mileage.

    So back to topic: Anyone with a 2005 Chrysler or Dodge minivan, can you please confirm my above concerns?

    Thanks!
  • I have a new 2005 T&C. The "Power Accessory Delay" is a feature but only for 45 seconds. If the radio is on, for example, it will turn off 45 seconds after the ignition is turned off. The electric windows,etc. are operable during this period.

    The "Illuminated Exit" feature exists. All the internal lights come on when you open the door and then begin automatically dimming to off at 10 seconds after door is closed.

    C.B.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    My 2002 T&C LX has power accessory delay after keys are removed until door is opened.
        It also has illuminated exit, time delay headlights, key fob locking and unlocking, and triple zone temperature control. My LX is one of the least expensive T&C.
        Businesses normally lease the cheapest, least equipped models. Does your T&C have bucket seats for 2nd row; 50/50 split and tumble 3rd row; Overhead console with compass/outside temperature and trip computer; and separately controlled temperature for driver, front passenger, and rear passengers with air conditioning vents in the ceiling above 2nd and 3rd rows and rear heater?
        If NOT, it is definitely a "stripped down" model.
  • Man the T&C is just like our Our 2001 GC EX which has the power delay after the key is removed from the ignition. You can operate the windows and radio for about 40 seconds. We have the illuminated entry/exit system, which all the interior lights, except the two front map lights, turn on when any of the doors are open and then dim off after about 30 seconds when all doors have been closed. We have the 3 min. headlight time delay which is a good feature if you need to see in the dark after leaving the van. We have the key fob for locking and unlocking all doors, this includes the one power passenger door and liftgate. We have pretty much the same thing as the T&C just not a luxurious.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    When I asked "illuminated exit" I didn't ask if you open a door. Of course if you open a door the interior lights comes on. What I have in my Windstar is when you remove the key from the ignition (even while all doors are closed) the lights comes on for about 30 seconds. This is a very useful feature to me.

    Now about the accessory delay, you agree that's just for about 40 seconds. In my Windstar it is 10 minutes, much more convenient. Not a deal breaker, though.

    The headlight time delay is also very nice on the Chrysler vans. On the new Freestars, Ford introduced another good thing, when you press the unlock button on the remote, the "illuminated entry" feature turns the headlights on, too. So you can walk safely to your car in the dark. Chrysler still doesn't have that one. I guess every van has their own good things and shortcomings as well.
  • Reading about the two features you identified, I wondered why someone would sit in the car after turning it off. Well, I guess there are plenty of possible reasons, but can't you do the same thing by turning the key to the accessory position of the ignition?
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    The ten minute delay is just a minor convenience item. Say you shut off your car and pull the key, then notice you didn't roll up one window before you leave. You do not have to reinsert the key and turn it to accessory. My Taurus has it, our 1996 Caravan doesn't. However the Caravan has delay off headlights, and the Taurus doesn't.

    Both of these are minor features which sure wouldn't be a deal killer.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Your 2001 GC EX is NICER than my 2002 T&C LX. You have the 3.8L V6 and power sliding doors that I do not have. The T&C LX is clone of GC Sport and each has the smaller 3.3L V6 while the T&C EX is a step up from LX as the GC EX is a step up from GC Sport.
          I prefer to have the interior lights come on when door is opened and go off when the door is closed as cars did in the olden days.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    "I prefer to have the interior lights come on when door is opened and go off when the door is closed as cars did in the olden days..."

    Every car today have it - interior lights come on when a door is opened and go off when it's closed.

    The illuminated exit is just in addition of that.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    I would like to see some photos of the interior of the '05 Town & Country. Since Chrysler introduced the stow-n-go, all I see and hear is about that feature. I ordered a brochure by mail, and no single photo from the dash, front seats, etc. Same is with Dodge Caravan.

    In the older brochures ('02 and '03) Chrysler used to mention almost every detail. Not anymore! Only few exterior photos and stow-n-go seats.

    Can somebody give me a link where I can see clear photos. Other minivans, especially the Ody and Sienna have tons of photos everywhere!
  • You can do an ebay search too for that vechicle and see actual photos of the vechicle (interior and exterior). It help me out a lot when me and my wife was in the market for a minivan last year.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,803
    We have a few (and some old video):

    link

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  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I prefer having the interior lights come on when door is opened and go off when the door is closed....and not wait 5, 10, 15, or however many seconds AFTER the door is closed.
         Door open and lights come on.
         Door closed and lights go off immediately.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    You see what I mean... Clicking your link brings up 6 photos, none of them from the dash or front seat!

    Everything is the exterior and stow-n-go. Wherever you're looking.

    I looked on e-bay too. Not many 2005's there, but may help a bit. Thanks anyway.
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