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Chrysler Town & Country and Dodge Grand Caravan 2005+

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  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Interior space is not deceptive, I can look in my father's Honda and see more space in the Honda, I can compare my DCX Van to my previous Venture and see more space in Chevy. The rear portion of the roof slopes down in my Caravan.

    I think if you look at the Neon replacement, you'll see the direction of the Caravan styling for MY08!!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    The GC/T&C has THE MOST actual total interior space of the minivans...although the Odyssey has MORE CARGO space behind the 3rd row seat when the seats are in place or behind 2nd row if 3rd row folded into floor or removed.
    Here are the actual numbers in cubic feet:
    Caravan Grand Caravan Odyssey
    Behind 3rd row 15.3......20 or 26.4.......38.4
    Behind 2nd row 45.6.........54.2............91.1
    Behind FT seats146.7..167.9or160.7....147.4

    The Odyssey has THE most cargo space behind 3rd row or behind 2nd row BUT the GC has much more than the Odyssey if 2nd and 3rd row seats are removed (or all folded in GC with Stow-N-Go).
    Consumer Reports does NOT provide accurate data on actual interior space due to their method of measuring only the space available with an expandable rectangle. Very few items of cargo consist of only one large box.
    The Venture has less total interior space than either the Odyssey or GC and not much more than the Caravan or 2005 short wheel base T&C.
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Posts: 626
    If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for your van? I bought an 04 Touring Platinum 6 weeks ago w/ DVD, NAV & Moonroof & figured it would cost me about $4000-$4500 to get an '05 to get he stow and go, rails and side airbags ( I wouldn't have gotten a moonroof). They didn't have anything at the time configuredlike this, but I couldnt pass up 9K off sticker (6 K in rebates. I got mine for $27,842 purchase price & only $100 in fees (plus 6% tax). Hopefully I won't miss the stow and go much (haven't yet)
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Why not count the approx 8 cubic ft with stow n go seats are out of the box?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Good suggestion. The Chrysler T&C numbers are slightly different from the Caravan and Grand Caravan.
  • kjmsrkjmsr Posts: 4
    We have a'96 T&C and have started looking for our next van. We drove the 2005 T&C, Odyssey and Sienna. Both the Odyssey and Sienna can be ordered with side curtain airbags AND moon roofs - the Chrysler cannot. It's one or the other. This was a showstopper for my wife.

    That said, the Sienna seems to nickel and dime every option and is very expensive while the Odyssey sems to have a lot of serious problems according to the Odyssey forum.... We'll keep looking.
  • kfdmedkfdmed Posts: 130
    The lack of side curtain airbags was a showstopper for me too ... until I did a little research. The increased safety of the van is increased marginally. Since occupants in the van sit higher the need for side curtain airbags is less than in a sedan. I dont believe there is a benefit for infants or toddlers in car/booster seats and may even pose a risk to small children in booster seats without backs. I just purchased a T&C touring signature series which comes with the moonroof along with DVD/NAV. I would have preferred the side airbags to the moonroof but thats not the way it came bungled. I dont see why people prefer moonroofs. You lose headroom and with the DC vans you lose the overhead rail storage system. Good luck finding DC vans with side airbags on dealers lots. You will be lucky to find a dealer with one. I asked the salesperson why they dont order any and he said people dont want to pay the money for them ($500-600). I anxiously wait the results from the insurance institutes testing of vans with and without side airbags. Hopefully, I wont regret my decision to purchase a van without them.
  • greener1greener1 Posts: 37
    all i want is a chrysler town and country that works, purchased new 2005 with 54 miles on odometer, in shop at 144 miles, loud whine in transmission while accelerating, axle or rim noise in rear end on deceleration, paint issues on sliding passenger door, i.e., not painted and metal showing through, and i thought chrysler was improving in quality, i cannot believe when one pays so much money they cannot at least build a complete car that works, mine gone 2 days now and no known timetable on issues being taken care of, one could not sell this car on a used car lot with all these issues, and it was sold so called new
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Posts: 626
    Why would you accept a car with problems as obvious as bare metal on the passener door? Did you not inspect it?
  • greener1greener1 Posts: 37
    was inspected by me, but area was on BOTTOM of sliding door, where one rubs finger along thickness of door, where no one could see this, only when drying car after cleaning, get on your knees and lay down in order to see it, could feel the extra metal sledge at end of door sill same area, what is one to do anymore, get out a magnifying glass and go over every knook and cranny, outside paint job was fine, but area in question is subject to possible rust down road with road salt, etc. I am more concerned about the obvious extra sounds and noises that came about after having car a couple of days, especially in a new car with only 144 miles
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Posts: 626
    I hope they get your issues resolved. I know it's frustrating, but every carmaker has issues on some cars. I am fortunate to have a T&C for over a year that's been perfect.

    Even Honda has their problems:
    KarenS, "Honda Odyssey Owners: Problems & Solutions" #1, 29 Nov 2000 5:32 pm
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    You know what part of the issue is concerning quality of Domestics vs Imports....at least in my opinion... Take Chrysler for example....they had upwards of 50% of the Minivan market, nowhere to go but down right? Here's Honda with capacity for only 180k. There are 3-4 times as many DCX vans on the road. With limited capacity, the Hondas were commanding a premium price but that's changing now with a new plant online. I think Honda's is going to start losing their "luster" and resale value even. Then if you look at other Honda boards...they have their issues too....poor gas mileage, tranny and door problems.

    I think the one to watch even more than Honda is Kia and their new Sedonna Minivan.....much larger, folding seats in rear, 3.8 V6, 5 spd auto etc..... It looks like they've taken the best from ALL!!!! And the price will probably be thousands less!!!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Sedona may increase sales if they copy DC minivan nice features and improve the dismal Sedona gas mileage. Even if the Sedona engine size is increased, it will probably have less power than the current 3.8L V6 of the DC minivans which gets better gas mileage than the 3.5L V6 of the current Sedona. Gasoline mileage of the Sedona will drop with additional weight and larger engine.
    The only real competition to DC is the Odyssey...but it costs more to get the nice creature comforts of DC.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    have you seen pics of the sedona?? It looks just like the Sienna!!! The Koreans are making a lot of progress, recently beating out Honda in some areas of JD Powers
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Another thing I found the DC vans missing in the 2005 models (they was in the 2003 MY) that the center vent (of the 3 climate vents in front) is not adjustable, i.e. you can not adjust it left or right, it just blows air direct to the center of the van. That was adjustable in previous models.

    Also they reduced the number of speakers in the Infinity sound system from 10 to 8.

    One thing I love about the DC vans, is the visibility outside, which is not matched by any other van. The extra large windshield and low belt line of all other windows is much superior of any other van (in contrast to the hot-selling 300 sedan!). The only minor problem with that is that I would need bigger windshield wipers to cover the entire area of the windshield, but the van uses already 2 size 28" which is the largest on the market. Does anybody know of any bigger-sized wipers?

    BTW, speaking of wipers, I would like to complain that the rear wiper does not pull out entirely when the rear window needs to be cleaned. The same problem is with the Sienna and some people complained about that in the Sienna board. The Ford Freestar made it better.

    I had this week an adult passenger in one of the second row seats, and complained a lot that the seat is not comfy.

    Still, I look forward that Chrysler will take a lesson of the new competitors, and offer a well competitive van in the near future (I'm sure they will).

    And now I see in the Ford vans board that Ford is giving up on minivans completely. They rely on the new 7-passenger Freestyle, and that's it!

    Hans, I'm sure that Kia is well aware of the poor mileage problem and will certainly work to improve on that area in their new vans. Otherwise it looks really competitive, with most bells and whistles of other major players. Even though the mileage may not be the best in class, the low price will out-wight the mileage and attract much buyers.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    "I had this week an adult passenger in one of the second row seats, and complained a lot that the seat is not comfy."

    Did your passenger know that the back of the seat is adjustable along with it being able to move forwards and back?

    When I first sat in it, I didn't like it either. Then I found out you need to raise the head rest and adjust the back. After that, it was quite comfortable.
  • masterpaul1masterpaul1 Posts: 421
    " One thing I love about the DC vans, is the visibility outside, which is not matched by any other van. The extra large windshield and low belt line of all other windows is much superior of any other van (in contrast to the hot-selling 300 sedan!). The only minor problem with that is that I would need bigger windshield wipers to cover the entire area of the windshield, but the van uses already 2 size 28" which is the largest on the market. Does anybody know of any bigger-sized wipers?

    BTW, speaking of wipers, I would like to complain that the rear wiper does not pull out entirely when the rear window needs to be cleaned. The same problem is with the Sienna and some people complained about that in the Sienna board. The Ford Freestar made it better."

    We have a 2001 DGC and I like the visibility of all the windows too. With all of the mirror's positioned right, I can see everything in the other lane on each side. Our rear wiper doesn't pull out either. I thought maybe it was damaged or something, but after closely inspecting it, I came to the conclusion that it's made that way for maximum pressure to clean the window. I had to replace both the front and rear wipers which cost a lot. For two front 28" Bosch wiper blades cost $19.99 each and the rear 16" wiper blade cost $9.99 at Murray's Discount Auto Parts Store. To replace the rear wiper, I had to take off the whole wiper arm. Wasn't hard, but took longer then it did when I replaced the two front blades.
  • cbwilshacbwilsha Posts: 70
    "Another thing I found the DC vans missing in the 2005 models (they was in the 2003 MY) that the center vent (of the 3 climate vents in front) is not adjustable, i.e. you can not adjust it left or right, it just blows air direct to the center of the van. That was adjustable in previous models."

    I have a 2005 T&C and all three center dash vents are equally adjustable. Hard to believe the GC would be different.

    C.B.
  • My 2005 GC SXT has an adjustable center ait vent. Not sure what you're looking at.
  • chuckgchuckg Posts: 69
    "Another thing I found the DC vans missing in the 2005 models (they was in the 2003 MY) that the center vent (of the 3 climate vents in front) is not adjustable, i.e. you can not adjust it left or right, it just blows air direct to the center of the van. That was adjustable in previous models."

    This is correct.....the center vent is not adjustable on my wife's 2005 GC SXT. I just went out and checked it.

    Also, has anyone with the touring suspenision package noticed a very low-pitched rumble when driving on a not so smooth road? It's hard to describe but it's definitely in the suspension. I wouldn't call it a defect by any means its just the way it's engineered.
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