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Toyota Highlander Hybrid

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  • boylan13boylan13 Posts: 13
    Hey, thanks for your post. June is actually great news! Too bad you guys are in Boston and I'm in New York otherwise I'd buy it from you. Does that pricing estimate include dealer premiums? Because Queensboro Toyota in New York City told me that there will be a $10,000 premium above MSRP on the Highlander Hybrid. Is this consistent with what you guys are expecting to get in Boston?

    Thanks,

    -Chris
  • avantiavanti Posts: 27
    Wow. Now why can't any of my Toyota dealers tell me these things? I'm allegedly on a "list" at two local dealers, but no one will take a written order or even any kind of deposit.
    The only thing the half-dozen local dealers I've contacted agree with, is that the HH will sell for MSRP. No premiums.
    It makes sense for Limiteds to be loaded, with the only real option being NAV, but what about the regular models? Unless Toyota changes how the 2006 options are set up, there are a lot of different possibilities. Is it likely that all HHs will basically be the same? For example, you could have:
    -base model with basically one setup (i.e. all
    have side airbags, one radio package, etc.); or
    -Limited model with basically one option setup; or
    -Limited as above plus NAV.
    Selling them as copelandtoyota described would make the whole thing much easier.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,035
    Because Queensboro Toyota in New York City told me that there will be a $10,000 premium above MSRP

    That is a bit steep. You think they will sell any at that price? It will be more expensive than an RX400h.
  • avantiavanti Posts: 27
    Sorry, I am still confused. Do we have any idea of what level of equipment a typical base model HH will be shipped with?
    In other words, what are the odds I could get one for more like $33-34,000? I don't want leather or a sunroof, for example.
    If both base and Limited models are all going to be built pretty much "loaded," I'm losing interest fast. There are a LOT of vehicles out there, especially as I close in on $40,000...
  • "Do we have any idea of what level of equipment a typical base model HH will be shipped with? In other words, what are the odds I could get one for more like $33-34,000?"

    Avanti, at this stage it is all speculative until further notice from Toyota. As far as we know regarding a base model Highlander hybrid, we were informed they will be equipping it similarly to what exists currently in the 4x4 V6 models. I posted the options earlier as an example of an order someone had actually placed. Currently a Highlander 4x4 V6 can come without the leather package (LP) and heated seats (HD) which will keep the cost down. In other words, if you see a Highlander 4x4 V6 at your local dealer, a safe bet is to add $3000 - $4000 ontop of the MSRP.
  • avantiavanti Posts: 27
    Thank you copelandtoyota, that makes sense. I was figuring on $4,000 extra right along.
    It sounds as though I should be able to make an order of some kind for one then, even if it is as simple as white with beige, MSRP $35,000 or less.
    I read in a review (sort of vague due to Toyota's press embargo) a week or so back that curtain airbags and a power driver's seat were standard in the base HH too. Maybe Toyota will tweak the HH options after all...
  • avantiavanti Posts: 27
    How much torque is the HH supposed to put out? I understand the HP is around 268 combined, 208 if the batteries are exhausted.
  • sam52sam52 Posts: 1
    I live in Colorado and have been on the waiting list for a hybrid highlander since last summer. I also had to give the dealer a $500 deposit to be put on the list. I am 5th on the list and I have been told that the HH will be availabe in mid June. I've also been told that they may only get 4 highlanders, in which case, I'm out of luck. Can't understand why there is so little information available.
  • tempusvntempusvn Posts: 119
    SUBJECT: 2006 Highlander Hybrid Price Announcement

    Toyota Motor Sales, USA, is pleased to announce pricing for the eagerly awaited 2006 Highlander Hybrid gas/electric mid-size sport utility vehicle with Hybrid Synergy Drive®.

    The Highlander Hybrid joins the popular Prius sedan, making Toyota the first brand to offer both a passenger car and an SUV with hybrid powertrains. Pricing will be announced to the public on Friday, April 1.

    With its cutting edge Hybrid Synergy Drive® powertrain and long list of standard features and safety equipment, Highlander Hybrid takes its place as perhaps the most advanced production Mid SUV ever produced. Considering its best in class performance, fuel economy and emissions in addition to its best in class comfort and safety, there is simply nothing else on the road in the Mid SUV segment that can be compared to Highlander Hybrid.

    When it joins the Toyota line-up in early June, the Highlander Hybrid will be the first seven-passenger hybrid SUV in the industry. With its Hybrid Synergy Drive® powertrain producing 268 horsepower, Highlander Hybrid will offer exhilarating acceleration performance while achieving a stunning 30 mpg for the 2WD models and 29 mpg for 4WD-i models (combined EPA test). In addition, Highlander Hybrid will be rated as a Super Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle (SULEV), one of the most stringent emissions ratings in the industry and the only Mid SUV to attain this low level of emissions.

    In addition to delivering outstanding performance and fuel economy, Highlander Hybrid also provides all of the interior versatility and comfort expected from a mid-size SUV.

    Highlander Hybrid features seven-passenger seating with three rows, rear privacy glass and a rear heater system. The second-row 60/40 split fold-down reclining seat and third-row seat fold flat into the floor to create added cargo space and utility.

    Highlander Hybrid will be available in 2WD or electric four-wheel-drive with intelligence (4WD-i) models. Highlander Hybrid models include an impressive list of performance / technology features including:

    • Hybrid Synergy Drive® with 268 HP combined output
    • Star Safety System with Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management System (VDIM)
    • Electrically Powered Air Conditioner
    • Electric Power Steering
    • Electronically Controlled Brakes
    • Electronically Controlled Continuously Variable Transmission (ECVT)
    • Unique styling including a new front bumper with wide intake, new chrome grille and license plate garnish, LED taillights, in-glass antenna, Hybrid Synergy Drive® badging, and new 17" split 5-spoke aluminum wheels
    • Technology enhanced Optitron illuminated gauges featuring a multi-information display

    Popular optional equipment on the conventional Highlander that has been standardized on Highlander Hybrid includes:

    • Driver and Front Passenger Seat-mounted Side and Front- and Second-Row Roll-sensing Side Curtain Airbags
    • Power Driver’s Seat (8-way)
    • Mudguards
    • Immobilizer and HomeLink Garage Door Opener
    • Power Heated Outside Mirrors and Windshield De-icer
    • Towing Prep Package
    • DRL

    The additional features alone are worth over $1,700. Although Highlander Hybrid contains advanced new hardware and technology, we are pleased to still offer outstanding value. Highlander Hybrid has a starting MSRP of $33,030 for the 2WD model and $34,430 for the 4WD-i model.

    Highlander Hybrid Limited adds additional luxury features and value worth almost $4,000 over the conventional Highlander Limited:

    • Driver and Front Passenger Seat-mounted Side and Front- and Second-Row Roll-sensing Side Curtain Airbags
    • Power Tilt/slide Moonroof with Sunshade
    • Leather Seat Package
    • Seat Heater
    • JBL 3-in-1 AM/FM Cassette w/6-disc In-dash CD Changer with Eight Speakers in6 Locations and FM Diversity Reception

    Highlander Hybrid Limited models start at $37,890 for the 2WD and $39,290 for the 4WD-i model

    OPTIONS

    Base grade Highlander Hybrid is available with one package upgrade option that includes:

    • JBL 3-in-1 AM/FM Cassette w/6-disc In-dash CD Changer with Eight Speakers in 6 Locations and FM Diversity Reception
    • Power Tilt/slide Moonroof with Sunshade
    • Integrated Fog Lamps
    • Color-Keyed Rear Spoiler
    • Urethane Steering Wheel & Shifter with Audio Controls

    The only available option for Highlander Hybrid Limited models is the Touch Screen DVD Navigation.
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  • sunbyrnesunbyrne Posts: 210
    Thanks for the post! I think a lot of people on this forum have been waiting for this info for some time. How'd you get it early?

    Regardless, if you build the 4WD V6 on Edmunds with essentially the same options as the base HLH (preferred package, JY airbags, towing prep, mudguards, DRL, and cold weather package), the MSRP is $29,810. The HLH price is $34,430.

    That makes the hybrid markup a whopping $4620. That's a little steeper than the $3-4K which has been thrown around. Note that the TMV for the non-hybrid is about $2.5K lower than MSRP. If you assume that you pay sticker for the hybrid, that works out to be a premium of almost seven grand! I certainly wouldn't pay that much to get a V8, but for a V8 with 29 combined mpg and SULEV emissions? Maybe.

    If you assume gas at $2.50 a gallon and 18K miles driven per year (which is a good bit of driving), the annual savings over the standard V6 (21 combined mpg) would be $591/year, which means the MSRP price difference would be made up in 7.8 years. (It would take 12 years to make it up considering TMV--pretty long.) Given that the present national average gas price is like $2.10/gal now, $2.50 over that time period feels pretty conservative. Plus, what's the tax break situation for this thing? That should figure in as well. Overall, though, looks like "saving money on gas" should not be driving this decision.

    Two further questions this raises: [1] What's the price for the option package on the base model? [2] What happened to rear-seat DVD entertainment?

    Regardless, it's good to have real numbers to kick around.
  • Thanks tempusvn! Finally some real information.

    OK here's a quick calculation. Hybrid 29 combined MPG vs non-H 20 MPG. So we save 155 gallons per 10,000 miles. At $2.25 per Gallon that saves $350. Expecting to pay full MSRP the hybrid will cost at least $3000 more similarly equipped. That means at current gas prices we break even at about 86,000 miles.
    "your mileage may vary"
  • dodgedodge Posts: 25
    I just got an email from toyota about the 2006 highlander hybrid and it has a site that tells everything about 0 to 60 pricing the goods here is the url http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/minisite/hhybrid/index.html

    Enjoy
  • chris65amgchris65amg Posts: 372
    As for the torque numbers for hybrids, they always sound really weird. To use the Prius for an example, it gets 295 ft lbs at 1200 RPM. That's the electric motor. I love the way Toyota hybrids take off. It's really quiet. Of course, some people hate it.... my wife thinks it's "Spooky and weird. Let's go test drive that other car"
  • sunbyrnesunbyrne Posts: 210
    Heh, I went to that site earlier today and it wasn't updated yet. Answers the questions I had, thanks...
  • sinksink Posts: 4
    I went to Toyota dealer in norther CA in the past weekend. I was told that they expect the shipment (real one, not the advertisement by Toyota.) begin from October. their allocation is 30/year. and current they have about 60 people in the list with deposit. They tell me, in a very nice tone though, that I won't see my hybrid highlander for a few years.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    More details on the Highlander Hybrid innards than I have seen previously:

    http://www.autospectator.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1043
  • toycashtoycash Posts: 139
    The option package is $1,770.

    Apparently, they aren't going to offer the factory installed DVD. They will still offer the Port/Dealer installed one.
  • sunbyrnesunbyrne Posts: 210
    Thanks, toycash, I saw that on the Toyota Web site. That's what I get for posting two hours before Toyota updates their site.

    My hope was that I (well, really, we--this would be my wife's car and the family hauler) could get a HLH with the equipment we wanted for around $35K. The base 4wd HLH with option package is $36,200. Not too far off...

    Also, when I did the math on the hybrid markup, I didn't figure in the 17" alloy wheels in the price of the non-hybrid. That would add $520 to the non-hybrid price ($600 for appearance package - $80 previously added for mudguards), bringing the markup down to $4100. Steep but not completely outrageous.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Reporter drove a pre-production Highlander Hybrid and got 25 MPG:

    http://www.forbes.com/columnists/2005/03/29/cz_jf_0329flint.html
  • sunbyrnesunbyrne Posts: 210
    Based on his description, he was driving the 4wd version and mostly highway. EPA highway for the 4wd HLH is 27. Not too far off...
  • rmanchirmanchi Posts: 13
    Guys,
    Hello...I am new to this forum but have been following the highlander hybrid scene for a bit now. I feel the price for a Hybrid Limited 2WD is not too steep at $34,100 (considering TMV at 10% less of MSRP at $37,890). I am wondering if bargaining with the dealer will even be possible with so many people ready with downpayment checks. What do you think the TMV is going to be? I would take the regular 2WD Hybrid and add a leather package (not advertised) and options package $1770 and do better than taking a limited 2WD. Please let me know what you think.

    Thanks.
  • "Highlander Hybrid will offer exhilarating acceleration performance while achieving a stunning 30 mpg for the 2WD models"

    .

    I assume that 30mpg = city test (because Toyota usually brags about their city results). So, what will the highway be? 25?

    troy
  • sunbyrnesunbyrne Posts: 210
    I would guess that initially TMV = MSRP for this one, at least for a while. I don't think you're going to see 10% off on a vehicle with waiting lists in many places.

    And the Toyota brochure does not list leather as an option on the base model. Snag the PDF from http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/minisite/hhybrid/specs_pricing.html (click on "Specs/e-Brochure" on the right).
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    The 30 is overall - 33 city, 28 hwy. 31/27 with 29 overall on 4x4s.
  • arandarand Posts: 1
    I've read as many articles as I can find and looked at the highlander minisite and the spec sheet. I've looked at the articles that are referenced in this forum also. I have a very good understanding of the technical details of the 4WD-i. for example I know that adds a little extra horse power and torque, I'd notice faster acceleration. I also read that it is on demand , does it mean that I cannot manually turn it on, ever? The exact thing that I am trying to find out that I find no one explaining is the following: Does it interate with the safety systems that come standard in all highlanders, and if so does it enhance this safety performance. You will see what I mean as outlined in the following article.

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    Four-Wheel Drive With Intelligence and Advanced Vehicle Dynamics
    In addition to providing the fuel economy ratings of the average compact four-cylinder sedan, the Highlander hybrid offers the versatility, refinement, and comfort expected in a mid-size SUV. Highlander Hybrid comes standard with front-wheel-drive and offers 4WD-i – the world's first application of electric four-wheel-drive with intelligence in the non-luxury mid-size SUV segment. Toyota introduced its Star Safety System on all 2005 model year SUVs. The new standard safety system includes Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Traction Control (TRAC), Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) and Brake Assist (BA). The Highlander Hybrid enhances the Star Safety System with the addition of the all-new Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system. This new system goes well beyond conventional traction control systems, which react to challenging conditions. Instead, VDIM anticipates loss of vehicle control in virtually any direction and makes corrections while allowing higher dynamic capability.A vital component of VDIM is a new Electronically Controlled Braking system (ECB). The ECB system translates brake pedal stroke and pressure and generates the precise amount of combined electric regeneration and hydraulic pressure needed for virtually any driving condition.

    Under guidance from VDIM, such precise brake control at individual wheels allows more optimized operation of the vehicle's dynamic handling systems that employ the brakes: ABS, Brake Assist, Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) and traction control (TRAC). VDIM also interfaces with the Hybrid System, allowing it to modify vehicle power when needed, and a new Electronic Power Steering system (EPS) to optimize steering assist for each situation.

    The EPS uses a DC motor and gear reduction system built into the steering gear housing to provide steering assist. This compact unit contributes to fuel economy by eliminating the traditional power steering pump and by providing its computer-controlled assist only when called for by the driver. EPS also allows a more precise and timely control of steering assist than conventional engine-driven hydraulic systems.

    VDIM constantly calculates vehicle motion based on signals from a yaw rate and deceleration sensor, wheel speed sensor and steering angle sensor. Using these inputs, VDIM controls all of the vehicle's dynamic handling systems and can employ them collectively and seamlessly, allowing it to quickly detect the onset of a loss of vehicle control and help correct it. The ability to operate ‘proactively' means that corrections to vehicle attitude are typically faster, more accurate and subtle, than traditional systems, making VDIM feel smooth and essentially transparent to the driver.

    VDIM dramatically enhances the Highlander Hybrid dynamic qualities and maximizes its performance capability, driving pleasure and safety.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,896
    A magazine reporter is hoping to speak with a recent Toyota SUV, pickup or minivan buyer who traded out of a domestic SUV, pickup or minivan. An ideal buyer would be someone who had a GM SUV but now wants to gets a Highlander hybrid to save on gas , or someone who had a Chrysler or Dodge minivan and traded in for a Sienna. Please respond to jfallon@edmunds.com with your daytime phone number and a few words about your choice no later than Tuesday, April 12, 2005.

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  • mikez4mikez4 Posts: 1
    Anyone know what invoice pricing will be on these? I have the recent Toyota info on MSRP and standard features. Also seems that for some reason the hybrid does not have the Tire Pressure Monitoring System.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    I haven't seen invoice figures yet, but I am curious as to how someone would use those numbers on this vehicle that will sell for MSRP or more for quite awhile after introduction--especially if Goldman Sachs' prediction of $105-a-barrel crude comes to pass.
  • carz89carz89 Posts: 16
    Still wondering how the Kluger can get 41 mpg (US gallons) in Japan, yet the HH gets at best 33 mpg city driving? 41 vs 33 is a huge difference. I don't think that a mere difference in the test cycle can explain this. If that were the reason, then you should be able to get 41 mpg with the HH in certain city driving in the US. Maybe the Japanese MPG test is all downhill? Joking aside, I am desperate for an explanation.
    :confuse:
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