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Toyota Highlander Hybrid

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  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Bottom line is that for $25K there wasn't a Toyota that held 7 + luggage that wasn't a minivan, so I'll accept the slightly lesser quality (I'm sure you'll comment on that) if the car meets my needs. By the way the article said 30% of the American market, not Europe.
  • gazguzlergazguzler Posts: 137
    Again, I'm not criticizing you, your car or your choice. I'm sure we've all made the right chioce for our own unique set of circumstances and needs. I'd be the last guy to say that your choice isn't right for you.

    What I'm saying is I wish I could've bought an American car, too.

    Not that I'm entirely happy with the HH. I've criticized it and Toyota for making a hybrid into a gasguzzler.

    Your 100% right about the 30%. I'd only read the one sentance and not seen it was refereing to the US market, as you say. It seems to be less than half of that. My bad.
  • cdptrapcdptrap Posts: 485
    We just got our HH to replace an aging van and supplement our Sienna.

    The Sienna, despite best effort, returns at best 19 MPG in city driving. On the freeways, it can get close to 22 MPG. Mixed, it returns 21 MPG at best.

    Our HH right off the bat gets 24 MPG in mixed driving the first 435 miles. It is now up to 26+ MPG after 800+ miles. From what I have read here, it can get better.

    My wife loves the car but I was at first very apprehensive because it is so darn expensive. After driving it for a while now, it is a really good car and is growing on me.

    The seats are really supportive laterally and in the lumbar region. Ride is silky smooth on paved roads. Engine accelerates effortlessly though we are older folks so speed is not of interest. We were able to fit 4 large adults (5-11 to 6-1) comfortably and 2 kids for a ride to the beach recently.

    Overall, a very nice car. if Toyota quality holds up, it may yet worth every penny we sank in.

    Good luck in your search.
  • mballew,

    I've had my HH for exactly one week and I love it.
    I bought the HH Ltd. with Nav and running boards, it's black with the ash gray leather interior. I got it for slightly below MSRP and I was able to get the dealership to throw in at no charge, the hood (bug/stone) deflector and sunroof air deflector. It was nice to look down at the odometer and only see 4 miles staring back at me.
    My co-workers were very impressed with the fit, finish and and technology, as am I.
    Yesterday, I even had a guy at a red light ask me, "Hybrid huh, how you like it ?"
    Truthfully, I didn't buy it for its supposed great gas mileage alone, I also needed a bigger vehicle...traded in my 2002 Rav 4...which itself was an awesome car.
    My only problem with this vehicle is that I find myself looking at the nav/display screen more than the road. I hope this lessens in time other wise I might find myself and my car in someones back seat...lol. :)
    I will post some mileage results as time goes on.
  • gazguzlergazguzler Posts: 137
    A reminder to please plug in your consumption at http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/

    Everyone here talks about what they're getting but it'd be more useful on a bar chart.

    The 4wd's getting better mileage than the 2wd so far, which is wierd (wierder still because it also accelerates slightly faster, too). How can this be?
  • phoebeisisphoebeisis Posts: 121
    Great idea.The 2wd vs 4 wd is just a blip-once you get 100+ fillups recorded it will become what you expect.
    The 2wd(just 7) are all very early(3 are 1st tanks,so the dealer might not have filled then) in the life of the vehicles.The 4wd-just 8-have more"older cars" ,so the owners might have learned a thing or 2.Further,the 2wd owners are probably in the hotter areas of the country-AC use-might be important.4wd tends to be a big deal in cooler areas-less AC use.Charlie PS The Escape #'s-fairly decent-probably give an indication of what a 4 cyl HH would have done(not quite as good as the 2wd Escape H-it is a lot lighter-500+lbs),but an idea anyway.
  • I reluctantly agree.

    Shoot, my cousin, and his wife actually BUILD the Ford Escape Hybrid. My uncle, their father, is an electrician in the same plant.

    And I'm buying the HH, because Detroit failed to make an environmentally friendly SUV that is bigger than a rollerskate.
  • gazguzlergazguzler Posts: 137
    For all my slagging of Ford, you're right, they did get the Escape right. They put it on a 4cyl and made it a real SUV for offroad.

    Maybe Toyota's becoming more 'American' every day and Ford's finally getting it.

    :-)
  • rsprorspro Posts: 3
    Maybe accelerating faster gets the 4WD to a sweet spot faster. Although this should have shown up in the EPA tests.

    As far as greenhybrid, I have one of the 1 tank 4WDs (Pro Hybrid), and I'm patiently waiting to get to my next fillup. It takes awhile when you only have a 25 mile comute round trip.
  • cdptrapcdptrap Posts: 485
    Our experience shows that accelerating to 40-45MPH briskly (but safely) and then maintain 40-45 MPH seems to increase MPG to between 29-32 (according to on-board display) in the area that we drive.

    The car gets up to 45 MPH very quickly and then easily maintains 45 MPH for long distance at significantly higher MPG reading. we have experience electric-only mode for up to 1.5 mile until the battery gets too low. We have abandoned the slow-rolling-start-from-stop approach because it relies on the ICE for longer distance and MPG figures seem to suffer.

    For the past 400+ miles we have used this brisk-up-and-maintain technique and current almost end-of-current tank MPG is close to 26.5 MPG. Either the car is breaking in or our technique is having an effect. We are looking forward to a consistent 30 MPG or better at least for driving in our area.
  • boylan13boylan13 Posts: 13
    Hey, folks,

    We've got a 2006 Highlander Hybrid Limited with about 1700 miles on it. Overall, we're very happy with it. MPG may not be quite as high as I'd hoped, but I'm a bit of a leadfoot and I really like the power. My only real complaint is the throbbing high decibel noise that happens when you open just the rear windows at highway speeds, but I understand this is a problem for all the Highlanders.

    Anyway... my wife was driving this weekend, parked for a while in the city and when she tried to drive home, the steering was really rough and the P/S (power steering) light was lit. From driving it, it seems like the power steering is totally disabled -- the wheel is very hard to turn. I had the 1000-mile service last weekend and they checked all the fluid levels, so I thought perhaps they left the P/S fluid cap off. But the service manager told me it must be an electronic problem, not fluid level and suggested we bring it into the dealer ASAP.

    I'm a little bummed to have such a serious problem on a month-old car. Has anyone else had this experience on the HH or the regular Highlander?

    Thanks,

    -Chris
  • phoebeisisphoebeisis Posts: 121
    The Escape Hybrid 2 and 4WD have nice numbers-maybe about what a 4 cyl HH would have done.I think a 4 cyl HH wouldn't have gotten quite these numbers since it would have been~400 lbs lighter,but Toyota usually builds "better" ICE motor than Ford,so maybe not.31 and 29 mpg 2 and 4wd are very decent-about 4 up on the HH.The HH numbers- 2 and 4 wd -will eventually "look" like the Escape numbers with the FWD have a 1-2 mpg advantage.
    The Honda Accord Hybrid -29.5 mpg -isn't bad either-if you were looking for a mid sized car you could do a lot worse-I wish it was a station wagon..Charlie
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    The throbbing noise is not unique to the Highlander. Many cars today exhibit that trait. I had a 96 Audi A4 that did the same thing. Another car I had also did that. Just open another window a crack to equalize the pressure.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,690
    i guess the real point is, there is no 4cyl HH, and there is a HFE, and it gets the numbers.
  • bdymentbdyment Posts: 548
    Discussion1 Did you get your moonroof to close properly as per my posting #1281?
  • Bdyment,
    Did not see that post until your reminder post here, thanks, just did it and it works now. Touch of button and it does its thing nicely.
    THanks for the help.
  • boylan/Chris,
    Can you please let us know how your dealer resolved the steering problem?
    We now have 2200 miles on ours and so far so good, knock on wood....
  • tomzpritomzpri Posts: 33
    Didn't the Edmunds HH test vehicle have this same problem with the power steering failing? Or was it a different magazine review of the HH I'm thinking of?

    Any results from the dealer on your steering failure?
  • mmreidmmreid Posts: 88
    I saw a post about a thousand mile check-up and I'm confused because both the dealership in Nashville (where I bought the car) and the one here at home in Florida told me to not come back until I had either driven 5,000 miles or 6 months. I tend to put very few miles on a vehicle as I work at home (my commute is 12 feet to my studio) and that was part of the reason I was attracted to the hybrid technology - I do a lot of around town errand driving in a fairly small city. My HH now has just under 1600 miles and I wonder should I have taken it for a check-up? I brought it in to local dealership shortly after bringing it home from Nasvhille to get the cargo net installed (I really like them - had one in my prior vehicle and it keeps groceries etc. from scattering all over the place) and they said come back at 5,000 miles.

    Second question: has anyone figured out the tax credit thing? The reason I'm asking is my husband is a bona fide tax attorney (second law degree in taxation on top of regular law degree) and he is quite willing to throw in his two cents as to what he thinks is going to be the tax credit. From the very little I've researched (and this was not the motive for buying the vehicle) we think it is $2,000 off of the tax you actually owe Uncle Sam and depending on your tax bracket, it shelters "x" amount of income - more than the credit itself. I saw a series of old posts about the tax credit but I can't tell if anybody has actually figured this one out. Once we do (you apparently need a special tax form for your 2005 taxes) I'm definitely willing to throw in his very educated opinion about what one can and cannot do . . .and share it with everyone here. Unless someone already knows for sure. I saw some references in old posts about needing a lawyer - well, I've got a very, very good one.

    So as we approach tax time we are quite willing to share anything he finds out about the whole tax thing. I'm learning a lot from all of you and I'd like to say thank you by sharing what we find out as well.

    mmreid
  • sunbyrnesunbyrne Posts: 210
    For 2005, it's simply a $2000 deduction (not a credit). If you already bought the HH, that's what you'll get to claim.

    If you buy one in 2006, you'll get a credit, but nobody seems to know exactly how much that will be--put your husband on to figuring that one out!
  • My base model is due in Sept. I have test driven a limited (a little too rich for my budget) and wonder if the base model will have the screen display as well? Also, does the base model generally come with keyless entry and a security system?
  • mmreidmmreid Posts: 88
    There was an AP article in our Saturday paper about the plug-in technololgy folks in California are using to dramatically increase the mileage in their Prius cars. Anyone else see it and/or know anything about it? Right before I bought my HH my ex-husband, of all people, was telling me a lot of stuff was happening in California with increasing the mileage of hybrids by using this technology but that if you installed it, he said Toyota voided your warranty. It seems to be based on the idea that most people don't drive that far on a daily basis and this technology gives you the first 20 miles running a 50/50 mix of batteries and engine and this switches over to classic hybrid mode. The guy featured in the article was getting 80 mpg in his Prius and it said mileage of up to 250 mpg had been achieved! These cars do have to be plugged in overnight and the cost of adding the 18 brick sized batteries was $3,000.00 which included the guy doing the work himself to convert the Prius (something I definitely could not do myself and would have no clue as to who could even do that). No mention was made of any other kind of hybrid except the Prious being converted this way.

    Has this been discussed before? I'm intrigued because I fit the profile of someone who puts very little mileage on a car - daily as well as annually. The only change in buying the HH is we will probably take it for road trips (instead of husband's car) as it's so comfortable and has the GPS system and heated seats for winter travel.

    Tax benefits of buying a hybrid: I will ask husband to research the whole tax thing for hybrids next year and share it with this Forum. Right now he's intrigued with the tax benefits next year of buying energy efficient appliances and asked me to wait to replace aging dishwasher until January. He says it is the same as buying the Hybrid - you take the actual amount off of your taxes due.

    Here is the link to the plug-in article:
    http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/nation/12378456.htm

    mmreid
  • phoebeisisphoebeisis Posts: 121
    mmreid,the problem we have figuring the tax credit is that someone-probably the EPA-has to give us some sort of average mpg for the midsized SUV's that the HH is "replacing".We also need an average for the HH.Why don't you have your husband use 20 mpg and 29 mpg and see what sort of numbers he gets?
    There might be something I'm missing here,but I think that is currently what is holding us up.Thanks.Charlie
  • mmreidmmreid Posts: 88
    So far husband sent me this information for buying a hybrid in 2005:

    On June 27, 2005, the IRS certified the 2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid as a clean burning vehicle, which entitles the original purchaser of one (assuming a 2005 purchase), to a deduction (not a tax credit) of $2,000. The deduction reduces taxable income and a taxpayer does not have to itemize deductions to claim the deduction.

    I just sent him Charlie's request to research about buying next year.

    mmreid
  • otis1otis1 Posts: 142
    mmreid, you may want to direct your husband to the "tax credits / incentives for hybrids" forum. There was some discussion there and I even included my attempt to calculate the HH 2006 tax credit ( otis1, "Tax credits / incentives for hybrids?" #74, 3 Aug 2005 11:13 pm )

    The biggest problem I had was the definition of "inertia weight class" since this is what the current EPA city MPG rating is compared to (at least I think it is). you can see my feeble attempt to figure it out (post 74 if the link above doesn't work). also starting on post #59, there's a link to the bill (law?) with the pertinent section starting somewhere around p 1400. so far one other group has stated the 2006 tax credit for the HH is $2600.
  • sbgirlsbgirl Posts: 22
    I have a base model with the option package and it doesn't have the large screen display. There is a smaller b/w display below the speedometer. There are multiple modes: outside temperature display, current mpg display, pictorial display of the engine, battery and a wheel with arrows depicting the flow of energy and odometer reading. It does come with keyless entry and if you mean security system where there needs to be a chip with the key in order to start the vehicle, yes there is.
  • Upstateny5

    I believe the base models do not have the screen even as an option. I had a long chat with our dealer when researching this car. At first, I did not want the Ltd model either, it is expensive, I thought lowly of the NAV, figured I had no use for the fancy energy flow display and thought the moonroof useless. Unfortunately, I lost my debate against my lovely wife :).

    The NAV came in handy a few times on our long trips when we were in a strange city and had no local maps. It even picked up all but 1 country lanes we drove on. The energy display turned out useful because I would asking same questions others are asking about when does charging occurs and so on. With the display, we can see when the car is doing what. As for the moonroof, it is great at venting hot inside air even in hot desert heat.

    I am not saying the Ltd is better, just that things I pegged as useless expensive bells and whistles at first have shown themselves to have real practical uses, it is a nice surprise.
  • Thank you - I thought that I had previously read that it didn't have the center display - in some respects it sounds like it might be a little less distracting to read the display on the speedometer area.
  • mmreid: I am glad to find out that your hubby thought that it will be a tax saving of $2000. However, the issue is a big confusion because I have read an article on the web, via www.edmunds I think, which seems to suggest that it is only $2000 income deduction (so a tax saving of about $600 in the 30% tax bracket). I am waiting for clarifications from you or anyone who care to comment.
    Thanks.
    Oldjayhawk.
  • Thank you also - my car is coming with the first option package so I will be getting the moon roof and had not thought about using it for venting the interior hot air.
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