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2013 and Earlier - Mazda3 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • I purchased a new 2008.5 Mazda3 HB S Touring in the crystal white pearl mica color with black interior. It is an automatic with no options other than the pearl paint charge of $200. I negotiated via internet down to $16,200 + TTL. Being from southern California that came out to about $17,700 OTD. I feel like I got a good deal. I love the car but my CEL came on the second day. I still need to take it in. So what do you guys think?
  • kle1kle1 Posts: 8
    Quote came from Browning Mazda of Cerritos.

    Also got another quote from Fremont Mazda for S GT with navi and bose/moonroof for 20.5k, haven't inquired about financing.

    Hayward of Mazda also just came back with a quote for 15,999 if I bring my own financing on an S Sport, Metro Grey. But don't know how reliable these guys are, took forever for them to send me a quote.

    Browning and Fremont Mazda have been the most straight forward.

    All these are 5 speed Manuals.

    Hope that helps.
  • ecoganecogan Posts: 26
    EC - congratulations! You should be able to get Mazda to give you 1.9% for 60 months. Don't let them tell you that it is contingent on credit rating. If you bought before Jan. 31st, which you did, you should be able to get this rate. Enjoy the car! You will love it. We do.
  • ecoganecogan Posts: 26
    kle - go with your gut. If you get a bad feeling from sales, it will follow you into service. Good luck!
  • j70j70 Posts: 6
    Thanks for the info. I second the shady feeling from Hayward Mazda.
  • tmorr42tmorr42 Posts: 10
    Just purchased(Jan26th) an 09 i touring value, Copper red, auto, moonroof pkg (including 6cd stereo), all weather floor mats & rear lip spoiler for $18,100. The MSRP was $19,680. Edmunds MSRP was $19,680, INV $18300 and TMV was19,200, other sites had similar prices. The price I received was $200 under invoice. I don't get it, sounds to good. Any idea's? Oh yea, In addition to the price I received, I also got the $500 cash back and 1.9% financing. Total price paid was $17,600 + tax & tags. Is that a good deal? Very confused. Sounds too good to be true. Please help me figure this out.

    Tommy
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    No confusion. That model usually sells for 2500-3000 off msrp. 17600 and 1.9% probably puts you around 3000+ off. (if your credit is good) Confirm it over the phone, get all dealership fees included, and that is a average deal. No great shakes with auto sales tanking

    Good luck
    --jjf

    Just purchased(Jan26th) an 09 i touring value, Copper red, auto, moonroof pkg (including 6cd stereo), all weather floor mats & rear lip spoiler for $18,100. The MSRP was $19,680. Edmunds MSRP was $19,680, INV $18300 and TMV was19,200, other sites had similar prices. The price I received was $200 under invoice. I don't get it, sounds to good. Any idea's? Oh yea, In addition to the price I received, I also got the $500 cash back and 1.9% financing. Total price paid was $17,600 + tax & tags. Is that a good deal? Very confused. Sounds too good to be true. Please help me figure this out.

    Tommy
  • ecnelovecnelov Posts: 10
    Thanks. Unfortunately the 1.9% is not considered "conventional financing" so my $1500 cash incentive would be only $500 with that rate. However, taking the $1500 upfront and using my 4.89% is actually cheaper in the long run, not to mention it could be a lot cheaper with pre-payments.

    I had a competing dealer actually congratulate me on the "fantastic price" I got, so I don't think I could have done any better. I asked around at other dealers about the $970 or so they are charging me for options install and it seemed on par.

    Anyone out there looking to get a remote starter installed, parts and labor should be $450-475. The auto-dimming mirror with compass parts and labor should be $325-350.
  • tmorr42tmorr42 Posts: 10
    Thans for the reply. So the deal is average, not as good as it sounded, but not bad? How come edmunds tmv was $19,200 when the actual price is $17,600? This is what confused me.
  • mcwongmcwong Posts: 3
    Forget to say that it comes with 17" alloy wheels. This was purchased in Oakland CA.
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    TMV is some number of unknown origin. Many people have left thousands on the table going by it. So-called 'warm-fuzzy" numbers representing the "true value' computed by a cray supercomputer at lawerence livermore or whatnot should be taken relatively lightly. Don't know how they come up with it, and if it is representative of "what others are paying" (in you zip code even) one must remember most people are not good at buying cars.

    A remote start on a mazda3 from the dealer should be a $250 item included with the total price negotiated over the phone. It is a worthwhile addition. If the car is already purchased a survey of 6 or so dealers service departments last week of the month may produce a low bidder.

    Good luck
    --jjf

    Thans for the reply. So the deal is average, not as good as it sounded, but not bad? How come edmunds tmv was $19,200 when the actual price is $17,600? This is what confused me.
  • j70j70 Posts: 6
    that's interesting. Which salesperson did you get? I'm looking for one similar to yours and 17k OTD sounds pretty darn good.
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    Since an 08 model like yours has a used trade in value of almost $15000 with avg miles (kbb.com), 4700 off msrp ($16200) isn't too shabby. Perhaps being a bit coy about the economy and really really wanting it for 5600 off may produce a compromise last few days of the month. (the $250 remote start installed is worth it, as is the day night mirror and all season mats (about $300))

    Good luck
    --jjf

    purchased a new 2008.5 Mazda3 HB S Touring in the crystal white pearl mica color with black interior. It is an automatic with no options other than the pearl paint charge of $200. I negotiated via internet down to $16,200 + TTL. Being from southern California that came out to about $17,700 OTD. I feel like I got a good deal. I love the car but my CEL came on the second day. I still need to take it in. So what do you guys think?
  • ylzylz Posts: 45
    Hello all. I bought the Mazda 3 GT Hatch on Tues and got a chance to see how it peformed over the first week. As far as the visuals go, I love the cool looking interior and the aggressive style of the exterior. All the controls are well placed and it really is a well thought out car. But as far as the way it drives, I'm a little disappointed. I drove to NYC last night and along the way, the roads get bumpy with cracks in the road everywhere. And I felt almost EVERY pothole, every crack, etc... I mean I know it's a stiff suspension which I like. But I didn't realize I would feel every little thing on the road, thought it was more smooth than that. Someone that has owned this car for a while tell me: Does this car really ride like this? Or is it just because it's the first week of me driving and I don't even have 200 miles on it yet? I mean do I need to just break it in and it will smooth out a little? Or is there something wrong with my car which I would have to bring it to the dealership? Any thoughts on this would help. Thanks.
  • ecoganecogan Posts: 26
    ylz - congrats on our purchase. We've had ours for 1 week. The suspension is stiff, but if you really think the ride is overly bumpy (more than you would expect for the type of road you were on) I'd take it back and have them look at it. If the road you were on was truly bumpy with potholes, etc., I wouldn't be too worried. However, if you get the same feel in average road conditions, maybe there is something wrong with the car.

    Our experience the first week has been disappointed, but for a different reason. We've had the car back to Service FIVE times in six days because the tire pressure sensor light keeps on coming on. They are on their 3rd fix. I am close to making a lemon law claim, and looking to get out of the car. We like the car in general, but this is frustrating.

    Good luck.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Service FIVE times in six days because the tire pressure sensor light keeps on coming on

    Do you live in a cold climate?
  • stoopystoopy Posts: 105
    I've been reading some of your posts jfritsch and what you really don't seem to understand is you can't even realistically get $4000 off a $20,000 car. It simply is not possible. Dealer invoice is roughly the price the dealer paid to the manufacturer usually $2 grand off sticker. The dealer may also get a dealer incentive and will definitely get dealer holdback. These two on a $20,000 car may be less than $1,000. My point is, if Kelley Blue Book is showing a trade in value of $14K and you think for a second that you are going to buy a brand new $20,000 car for $14K you are dumb. The dealer has to make this little thing called PROFIT. They can't sell you a car at less than they bought it for and expect to remain in business.
  • ecoganecogan Posts: 26
    Yes, I do live in cold climate, but even Mazda says it should not be happening, especially after the four tire sensors were replaced (3 days after being purchased)>
  • ecoganecogan Posts: 26
    No - the car is driveable, but this should not be happening with a new car. Again, I like the car, and of course do not blame the dealership for the glitch, but if you shell out a lot of money for a car, you would expect it to operate as it should, especially with less than 200 miles.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    It's very possible to get more than $4000 off a $20,000 new car, especially in this terrible market for new cars. I see examples of $4000+ off a ~$20k car all the time in the Prices Paid discussions here and even in my local paper. Just yesterday I saw a closeout deal on a $20,000 small SUV for $12,995. Today I saw over $6000 off a $21k 2009 Fusion. There are reports in the Mazda6 Prices Paid discussion of buyers getting $1000 below invoice, before rebates, on the all-new 2009 Mazda6. And the 2009 Mazda3 is on the last legs of that design, so dealers should be incented to move 'em out before the all-new 2010s come out.

    Keep in mind that in addition to markup over invoice, dealer holdback, and published incentives, there are often unpublished incentives from the manufacturer to dealers. Some of these are based on sales volume, so with some timing (and luck), you can get a great deal on a car near the end of a month because the dealer needs that sale to reach an incentive plateau.

    Will everyone get $4000 off of a $20k car? No. Some buyers don't like negotiating or aren't good at it, some think 10% off or "invoice price" is a good deal, and some will shop only at dealers who aren't willing to go that low. Then there are those few cars that are in short supply vs. demand, and command premium prices. The 2009 Mazda3 isn't one of those.
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    Keep it real folks, A 2000-3000 off msrp deal was hardly anything 24 months ago much less now. We're looking at 6000-7000+ off msrp to get realistic. Anything less is hardly giving the car away. Do you want to eat $5000 or more to drive a average sedan for 12 months? In a recession?

    Good luck
    --jjf

    A 08 mazda 6 (22000msrp) with average miles has a used trade in value of $12000 (kbb.com)

    A used 08 Hyundai Sonata (20000msrp) has a trade in of $11500

    A 08 Chevrolet Impala (24000 msrp) has a trade in value of $10500

    A 08 22000 msrp Ford Fusion (Relative of the new style 09 Mazda 6?) has a trade in of $12000

    A 22000 08 Saturn Aura has a trade in value of $12000

    A 22000 Pontiac G6 sedan has a trade in value of $11000.

    A used 20000 08 mazda3 hatch has a trade in value of 15000 making it the valedictorian of the group. Grabbing an new 09 in the high 16's or new 08 in the 15's would be super if they are serious about clearing them out. The M3 has been the best in this purchase price/trade-in regard for years
  • I just bought a Mazda 3 Hatchback in Copper red mica, 5-speed, plus no other options. My price with some $198 fee was $17,750 plus or minus a couple of bucks(includes a $500 Chase finance reduction). The dealer really wouldn't come down more than that. They gave me the S-Plan pricing even though it is no longer valid which is basically equivalent to the invoice. What makes the deal though is the 5 year/1.9% interest rate. It really makes the car much cheaper than say a Honda Fit Sport at 5% interest rate. The only reason I compare it to the Fit is because my 2008 was totaled 2 weeks ago and we bought the Mazda to replace it. The Mazda is a much nicer car and "more" of a car than the Fit Sport. We also looked at the Saturn Astra but it seemed awkward when I tested it out.
    I live in Oklahoma City where we only have 2 Mazda dealers which limits our choices but I do like the dealer and feel the deal was fair.
    BTW-I've owned a Mazda Protege before and put 211,000 miles on it before selling it. That was a GREAT car and I hope this one is just as good. Everyone loves the color and wheels. The 5-speed is the only way to go if you have good knees.
  • stoopystoopy Posts: 105
    I was referring to negotiated sale price. Obviously if there is a rebate applied it is very reasonable to be at or over $4,000 off.

    My point was only regarding negotiated sale price. I did in fact mention manufacturer to dealer incentives. Those and the holdback on a $20,000 MSRP car are usually $1000 or less. If invoice is $2,000 off sticker (roughly) and there are $1,000 in holdback and dealer incentives you are only at $3,000. Add a rebate in and you are likely at $4,000 off. But as I said, you have to give the dealer some profit. He isn't going to sell you a car for free. It's a business, it ain't UNICEF.

    jfritsch seems to think you should somehow correlate a one year old 2008 model's Kelley Blue Book trade in value with what a brand new 2009 model car should sell for. It ain't happening. HE ALSO SEEMS TO THINK YOU CAN GET A NEW 2009$20,000 CAR FOR $7-$8K OFF STICKER. I'm not seeing that either.

    You (backy) are giving examples of a 2008 closeout KIA with an MSRP of $20K selling for just under $13K. Duh, the car is 18 months old. A 2008 is not a new car if it has been depreciating on the lot for a year and a half. So yes, I would hope that even the worst car negotiator in the world would still be able to get a 2008 ANYTHING for over $4,000 off. Unfortunately the conversation was about new 2009's. Show me a new 2009 $20,000 car without a huge rebate that is selling for over $4.000 off sticker.
  • stoopystoopy Posts: 105
    For the benefit of the other posters in this forum who think you can get $7,000 or $8,000 off sticker price of a Mazda3, what was the MSRP on your deal? I'm guessing you got maybe $2,000 to $3,000 off the sticker like 99.99% of everyone else has.
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  • $7-8k is ridiculous... I thought I got a great deal at $3k off MSRP.

    OTD price is almost exactly what Edmunds lists as the invoice price.

    Even a new '08.5 is only gonna go for another $1-1.5k less... still well clear of commofficer's dream. Maybe he is looking at the MSRP for a Grand Touring HB and buying an iSport sedan - now that would make sense.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Show me a new 2009 $20,000 car without a huge rebate that is selling for over $4.000 off sticker.

    I already did that... for example, the 2009 Fusion I mentioned doesn't have a "huge" rebate but was advertised for about $6000 off its $21k list. There are other examples, but this is straying off topic and it's not productive to post the same info twice.
  • I am in NH and in the market for an '09 Mazda 3i Touring automatic with Roof/6 CD package options. I will finance a small portion of the deal (50%). What do you think is my best discount I can expect off MSRP?
  • I, too, am a bit skeptical at someone getting even 5K off sticker on a 2009 Mazda 3. That said, there might be more wiggle room on the higher-priced GT or MS3, but who knows?

    Here was the deal for us. We wanted either a Touring or Grand Touring HB with a 5-speed and sunroof. We found them to be rather thin on the ground within a convenient drive time (our local dealer had ONE), so it's not like tons of offers were at our fingertips. We eventually got the Touring for $3600 off sticker (our own financing) with minimal dickering. I initially thought it was a great deal, but, after reviewing the other experiences out here, it appears to be bog standard.

    But, hey, the salesman was nice and we didn't have to get a car shipped from Lord knows where, sight unseen.

    Are some people getting my same car for 5K under? I haven't seen one. I could've held out for another month, and maybe squeezed a bit more out of them, but what if the car I wanted could no longer be found? It's a balance ... how long are you willing to gamble?

    I think fritsch (sp) is right about one thing. That TMV was WAY off. I like this site a lot, but that particular piece of information was dangerously misleading ... at least for the 3.
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